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PROCEEDINGS OF THE MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
January 24, 2007
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112
1. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Chair Stevenson at 7:00 p.m. on January 24, 2007.
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2. Roll Call
Members Present: Chair Gary Stevenson; Commissioners: Keith Cramblit, Sherry Gunn, Gary
Meehlhause, Jean Miller, Todd Lang, and Mary Kay Walsh-Kaczmarek
Absent and Excused: None
Also Present: Community Development Director Ericson
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Index to Minutes Page
Continuation: MI2006-002; Consideration of Minor Subdivision of 8184
Eastwood Road 2
Consideration of Resolution 859-07; Amendment to Planning and Zoning
Commission Bylaws 6
Review Potential Timeline and Process for Updating Comprehensive Plan 7
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3. Approve Minutes
December 20, 2006.
MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Gunn/Commissioner Cramblit, to approve the minutes of the
December 20, 2006 regular Planning Commission meeting as amended.
Ayes – 7 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
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4. Citizens Requests and Comments on Items Not on the Agenda
None
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5. Planning Cases
A. Continuation: MI2006-002; Consideration of a Minor Subdivision of 8184
Eastwood Road; Applicant: Abiding Savior Lutheran Church; Location: 8211
Red Oak Drive.
Community Development Director Ericson reported the Planning Commission considered a minor
subdivision split request from Abiding Savior Lutheran Church at the January 10, 2007 meeting.
He indicated the minor subdivision would include a split of the home and 16,000 square feet
creating a flag-shaped parcel that would be absorbed into the Church’s property at the corner of Red
Oak Drive and Ardan Avenue. Director Ericson explained a minor subdivision is a division of less
than two acres in an area where no more than one additional lot is created.
Director Ericson reported the Church wishes to develop the property for senior co-op housing in the
future. He explained a letter was received from the Church indicating its desire to join the flag
shaped lot to the existing church property. He stated the Church would sell the lot with the house
some time in the future. Director Ericson explained the Church indicated the only reason the lot
was not split cleanly into two lots was to preserve the row of mature pine trees.
Director Ericson explained park dedication fees would be waived unless further intensification or
development of the property transpired in the future.
Director Ericson stated all setbacks and minimum requirements are satisfied with this request. He
indicated that as with every subdivision of land, the City requires drainage and utility easements be
dedicated around the perimeter of the lot. He stated that if the subdivision is approved, easements
would be required for Parcel B with a five foot easement on the north and south sides and ten feet
on the east and west sides of the parcel. Director Ericson explained easements could not be
recorded via a Certificate of Survey, however, staff would request the easement as described be
added to the Certificate of Survey with a notation that the easements as shown would be dedicated
separately by the property owner.
Director Ericson explained this is not a public hearing as one is not required for a minor
subdivision; however, notices were sent to the property owners who signed in at the previous
Planning Commission meeting as a courtesy.
Director Ericson stated the application was accepted on December 26, 2006 and in accordance with
Minnesota State Statutes, a decision must be made within 60 days of acceptance of the application.
He indicated the deadline for action is February 24, 2007. He stated, assuming the Planning
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Commission makes a recommendation on January 24, 2007; the request would then go before the
City Council on February 12, 2007.
Director Ericson summarized the proposed minor subdivision for 8184 Eastwood Road is requested
to create additional land that would be combined with the Abiding Savior property at 8211 Red Oak
Drive. He stated the remaining single family lot with home on Eastwood Road would be consistent
with all setbacks and subdivision code requirements.
Director Ericson explained that if the Commission felt it had all the information necessary to
proceed with a recommendation to the City Council, it could recommend approval, request staff to
draft a resolution to deny the subdivision if just cause exists, or table the resolution to acquire
additional information. He stated the Commission should act upon this as soon as possible prior to
the 60-day time limit. Director Ericson indicated the 60 days could be extended.
Director Ericson pointed out the letter submitted by Mr. Kunz, the application, zoning map, aerial
map, photos of the home, and the Certificate of Survey showing the lot division are included in the
Commission packets. He stated the conditions included on the resolution are: the applicant shall
arrange to have the Certificate of Survey revised to illustrate the proposed drainage and utility
easement areas; the applicant shall arrange to bring the existing shed from 8418 Eastwood Road
into compliance with setback and zoning requirements based on the proposed new lot line; and the
applicant shall arrange to immediately combine Parcel A with the existing Church property at 8211
Red Oak Drive with Ramsey County within 60 days per City Code.
Director Ericson stated he spoke to the City Attorney who indicated this could move forward.
Director Ericson read the letter from Mr. Kunz to clarify the intent of the Church. He mentioned the
Church intends to combine Parcel A with the existing Church property as soon as possible and that
Parcel B, including the house, would be put up for sale in the near future.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek referenced to the last paragraph of the letter relating to future
development and commented this is not in compliance regardless of the fact they intend to make it
compliant. She indicated regarding it separately would have a detrimental effect on the character of
the neighborhood which is zoned low density family residential. Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek
stated Mounds View already has an aging housing infrastructure. She stressed that by cutting the
lot down, a less desirable house and lot is what is left to be sold.
Chair Stevenson remarked Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek made a good point, however, it is a
null and void issue if Parcel A is not adjoined to the Church property within 60 days. He stressed
Parcel A is a nonconforming lot and there would be no consideration by the Planning Commission
to make it a buildable lot. He pointed out Parcel B would have 90 feet plus of frontage and consist
of 16,000 square feet, which meets the requirements and is a very sellable lot.
Chair Stevenson stressed this is not a public hearing, however, residents were invited to speak on
behalf of the separation of Parcel A and B, with the stipulation that Parcel A must be recorded as
part of the Church property in 60 days.
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Mr. Randy Heltzer, 8180 Eastwood Road, stated he received a letter from the Church indicating
they want to put some of this property back on the tax role. He stated the City would lose ten feet of
road frontage to the Church. He indicated the reason is not to save the trees, but for the future
easement along the tree line.
Chair Stevenson asked Director Ericson if the tax issue should be addressed.
Director Ericson replied there are legal issues that preclude the City from taking into consideration
the loss of tax value as a reason for denial of the resolution.
Chair Stevenson asked about the current tax situation with 8184 Eastwood and the Church property.
Director Ericson replied, to become tax exempt, the paperwork must be in place by June 30 of the
previous year for the following year to be tax exempt. He stated the property is currently taxed.
Mr. Bob Sherry, 8160 Eastwood Road, commented the frontage on Eastwood that does not conform
to code would set precedence. He stated he did not believe a potential buyer for Parcel B would be
in favor of an apartment complex next to their property. He stated he would like to see the current
proposal rejected or tabled until a new proposal for a minor subdivision minus the staff portion of
the lot is submitted.
Mr. Jim Sikorski, 8340 Sunnyside Road, emphasized that he believed the reason for the subdivision
was so the Church could combine a piece of property they could later sell as one parcel. He stated
the intention of the Church is to develop a 32 unit development, which is something the
neighborhood does not want or need.
Mr. Ken Fletcher, 8330 Sunnyside Road, stated he agreed the ten feet is for more than saving the
trees. He indicated that if this is approved and recognized as a tacit approval of what would surely
follow, it needs to be noted in the minutes, that it in no way forces the Planning Commission to
approve the second part of this. Mr. Fletcher indicated the Abiding Savior Lutheran Church is not
well thought of in the neighborhood.
Chair Stevenson thanked Mr. Fletcher for his comments and replied there is no reason the Planning
Commission could not put forth, beyond the approval or denial that this is not an endorsement for
the development.
Commissioner Meehlhause stated this resolution must be considered on the basis of what is
presented and not on what future plans might be.
Chair Stevenson replied that was true, however, he believes the statement could be made to go
along with the resolution.
Commissioner Gunn stated this goes back to viewing it as the separate item discussed before and
what everyone should concentrate on is the application to rezone the area. She stated this is what
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would need to be scrutinized and not the current resolution on the table. She stated there are many
steps to go through for development requests.
Chair Stevenson stated a major rezoning would come before the Planning Commission for the
development and that would be considered at that time.
Director Ericson explained the proposal by the Church would be to subdivide the 34,900 square feet
from the house lot and, at the same time, combine it with the Church parcel. He indicated it would
be adding acreage to the Church lot and not creating a separate lot.
Commissioner Miller stated the issue on the table is for the minor subdivision and the Planning
Commission could not speculate as to what may or may not happen.
Director Ericson pointed out the suggested wording in the resolution by Mr. Fletcher could be
utilized and easy to add. He suggested the wording: now therefore be it further resolved that
approval of this subdivision in no way shall be construed as tacit or implicit approval of subsequent
applications. He stated any subsequent application must stand on its own merit.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek asked Director Ericson if the Church could decide to change their
request because of the recommended changes.
Director Ericson replied any applicant has the ability to withdraw or modify an application. He
stated it is an intermediate step and often times there are modifications to requests. He indicated
that in this case the Planning Commission could ask the Church to consider the recommendations.
Commissioner Miller stated this should be taken as it is and not muddied up with anything else.
Commissioner Gunn stated she liked Director Ericson’s suggested amendment to the resolution.
Mr. Heltzer asked why the Church was going through a minor subdivision only to go after a major
subdivision later. He indicated he objects to the way the Church is going about this.
Commissioner Cramblit explained the Church could not do the major subdivision until the minor
subdivision was approved.
Director Ericson further explained the County wanted a clean subdivision to create new lot lines,
rather than having lots outside of the subdivision as a result of the major subdivision. He indicated
this could be done at the same time concurrently, however, this was not the choice made by the
Church.
Mr. Sikorski commented if the minor subdivision were not approved, there would not be enough
property for the 32-unit development. He stated there is no benefit to approving this subdivision
other than to assist the Church in moving forward with the major subdivision.
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Director Ericson replied he would hesitate to say the major subdivision could not move forward if
this resolution were not approved.
Mr. Fletcher clarified that what the church wants to do is flip this property. He stated they would
have no interest in what is built on the property. He stated it would be sold to a developer who
would develop it. He stated the only thing this does for the Church is give them several hundred
thousand dollars.
Chair Stevenson asked Director Ericson to clarify specific items in the resolution regarding the park
dedication fee.
Director Ericson explained a park dedication fee would only apply if further development was made
on the property. He recommended changes to the park dedication wording.
Chair Stevenson agreed to Director Ericson’s recommendations.
Commissioner Lang pointed out the address correction in stipulation number two.
Chair Stevenson asked for consensus on Director Ericson’s recommended wording regarding any
subsequent applications on the property. Consensus was reached by the Commission members.
MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Miller/ Commissioner Lang, to approve Resolution 858-07, a
Resolution Recommending Approval of a Minor Subdivision of 8184 Eastwood Road Requested by
Abiding Savior Church; Mounds View Planning Case No. MI06-002, with additions and conditions.
Ayes – 6 Nays – 1 Motion carried.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek stressed she opposes this resolution because she believes it is not
in compliance and would have a detrimental effect on the property and the character of the
neighborhood.
Director Ericson stated the resolution would go to the City Council on February 12, 2007.
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6. Other Planning Activity
A. Consideration of Resolution 859-07, a Resolution Approving an Amendment to
the Planning and Zoning Commission Bylaws.
Director Ericson stated the Planning Commission reviewed the bylaws at the January 10, 2007
meeting and suggested changing the number of absences a Commissioner could have in a given
year. He stated that based on the suggested change, the bylaws have been amended to read: Any
member absent from three or more consecutive regularly scheduled meetings or more than six
regularly schedule meetings per year without the consent of the Commission shall be deemed to
have vacated the office.
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MOTION/SECOND: Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek/Commissioner Miller, to Approve
Resolution 859-07, a Resolution Recommending Adopting Revisions to the Mounds View Planning
and Zoning Commission Bylaws.
Ayes – 7 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
B. Review Potential Timeline and Process for Updating the Comprehensive Plan
Director Ericson stated it is time to move forward on updating the Comprehensive Plan. He
stressed it is never too early to start given the magnitude of the task. He asked the Planning
Commission to consider options for reviewing the Plan. He stated the Comp Plan is a guide for the
City to lay out future development. He stated neighborhood meetings would be held to engage the
community as much as possible. Director Ericson believes Mounds View is on solid ground with
the Comp Plan.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek addressed the actual City Index and Benchmarks for the City in
the Comprehensive Plan, asking if the City Index meant 67 percent owner occupied and 33 percent
rental occupied and the Benchmark 75/25. She asked if this meant Mounds View was more rental
occupied than recommended by the Metropolitan Council.
Director Ericson replied the benchmarks are the Metropolitan Council’s goals for Mounds View. He
explained the Met Council would like to see a minimum of 25 percent of the housing in Mounds
View in rental property. He stated Mounds View met or exceeded all the benchmarks and goals
identified by Met Council on affordable housing. He stated that looking forward; a number of
affordable housing units should be added. He stated this would be addressed on a demographic
basis. He indicated that with housing fluctuations, the City still meets or exceeds the expectations.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek stated the Mayor indicated at the City Council meeting that
Mounds View is virtually fully developed. She asked what this means for Mounds View if it is
outside the guidelines of the Met Council.
Director Ericson responded these are guidelines. He indicated that as the Metropolitan area
expands, communities share their fair share of the burden of affordable housing.
Commissioner Miller stated she has trouble with the term affordable.
Director Ericson replied it is based on the median income for the area and differs from community
to community. He indicated Mounds View has a fairly good mix of housing.
Chair Stevenson commented the Planning Commission, Director Ericson, and Planning Associate
Heller should spend time reviewing the 2001 Comprehensive Plan, the terms, the thought process
that went into it, and why it is set up the way it is before it is open to the public.
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Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek agreed and commented she would like the Commission to be
forward thinking regarding plans for the future.
Mr. Sikorski commented this is a good idea now with new members on the Planning Commission.
7. Next Planning Commission Meetings
A. February 7, 2007
B. February 21, 2007
8. Adjournment to Agenda Session
There being no further business before the Planning Commission, Chair Stevenson adjourned the
meeting at 8:15 p.m.
(The meeting immediately adjourned to the Agenda Session)
Respectfully submitted,
Jim Ericson
Community Development Director
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