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Home My WebLink About1976-04-14 PC Minutes MINUTEB OF' Tli~ MUUN09 VIEW PLANNINa COMtAI85I0N /~ April 1~l, 1976 ~,,:•~ The Mounde V1ew Planntng Commiesi~n wae called to order at the City }{all , by ite ahairpereon Bxrbars Aaake at 7:32 pm on Wednesday, Aprii 14, 1976. The following membere ware preaent: aerald Foea, Phy121b Slanchnrd, ~ Paul Fedor, Dnn Maokeben, Nanay Hurmeister nnd Barbars Haeke. Abaent ~ were: Aobert 6lazer, Robert Rossman snd A11en Zepper. . The minutee were approved as refld. I'1CM8 F'OR CONuID~RA''3.ON: Herman Weieo PropFrty nvolve3: 8465 6rovelarid Minor eubdiviaion (1 lot into 2) Mrs. Ar1ue Smith again appea:~ed before the Commisaion repreaenting her stepfather, Mr. We1se. Mra. Smith etated that her stepfather will conai.der Ehe suggea.t,ion the ~ommission had for tiis lot oplit. M3P (Hlnnchard-htackeben) to take from the table and Cake action on the Herman Weiee subdlvision~ 6 eyes Robert Rosaman arcived at 7:45 pm. M9P (Mackeben-Blanchar3) to necommend to thP Counail that t; ~y appro;re ~ the minor aubdivislon of Hermttrt Weise at 8~;65 Ciroveland, to 24y x lY5 on tho west l~t line, 208 x 115 on the east lot lir~e, sub~ect to s 5 foot eaeement alon~ bhe rear lat linea and a 5 foot• easement along the north attd eouth lcat lines, and Turther reaommend that we grsnt a varianae Co eilow a Hsr BQ pit to bo 1'1" fr~m the l.ot line. Lf the easemmnt evar haa to be used the removal oP L•he Bar Ha pit w111 be~ at the expenee of the owner. Mra. Smith lndicated thet she xealizaa and accepts thi.s. 5 ayea 2 naya Ms. $urmeister et~ted that ah4 voted 'nay' becnuse oP the varianae grattted. ~Dal~e H~~~a.l ~r~e~~n ropeP rty involved: 8419 C}roveland Ma,or aubdivision ! 1 Sot 1.nto 4) , ~ Ma. }Iaxke sbated that the i'irst aketch plan eaid the dime:lsionn were 230 x 268, but titat tlie aoourate dimensiona are 423.2 x 230. It SndieaCea a division of 713•1 on the west lot and 210.11 on the east lot. Mr. Halgren stated that he p].ans to build a new gareiye in the fa21. The CnmmSsaion was polled: : .. ~ , Mr. Ros~ymt~n: I.rould lika tb.~ntlek with the even lot lineo ~ running alohg the ut121ty easements. ~ Mr. I'oes; Aeree, Can see no real hardship. ~ Ma. IIlanchard: Stiok with it to keep lines conaietent. 6is. Burmelster: Agrea with consistent lot lines ~ i~`~ Mr. Fedor: Agree a ~ Doq Mackeben; Agree ~ i i I p I T j ,. ~ -'L- Mr. Halgren wae remindod that hie garag~ would have to be torn down /s~ im~nediately. Steve Rose atateci, howevRr, thet you sre apeelcing about ~,,( ',y 4 or 5 months before ,vou even get your building permit so you would have plen6y of time. hL4P (Mackeben-Hurm~leter) that we deny tdr. Dale Halgren'e reqUeet to subdivide his property looated at 8419 Qrovelattd into 3 lots of 78.6 feet on the oast aide and 230 x 213 on the woet eide. 7 ayes The represantative from 3unnyside Euil~?srs suggested Roing baok to 178 taet, then possibly ~r.ining forces with Qenevieve Dalborg and get 5 2otes. Ms. Haake stated that there would t:ave to be a S'ifbh newer etub which would be very expensive. MS (Roeeman-Blanchard) that we table the Dale Halgrem m~tter fur fur:he^ conaideration until the April 28 meeting. 3 aye~ 4 naya Motion fsiled MSP (Hurmeieter-Msakeben) tu reaons~der Dale Halgren's .requeat. 7 syea M3P (BurmeiBter-Maakebar,) to teble Dale Halaren~s requeeC for the auodivieion into 4 lo~s until April 28. 7 ayes aen~vieve Dalbe~ ropeP-' r--~voTved: (approximately 843o Fairchlld ' ~ Ma~or aubddvislon (1 lot inLO 3) ( Me. Dal9erg~s request is to make 3 lote approximately 76 feet,wide and 178 f~dt deep. M3P {Rossmatt-POaa) to tab].e the llenevieve Dalberg euUdivislan ab 0430 Fairchild ut:tc.l April 28 ao that Bhe may dlscuns with Mr. Halgren the propaeal of some additional Trentege. The reason the two mo~iona were dehied was so Mr. Dale Halgsen nnd Ms. Genevieva DalGerg and 3unnyeide Huildars could ~ointly Qet together to bring forth the ma~o~ aubdivision to a11ow Lhem to have 92 foot 1cbn. ° 7 eyea Oarnet M. Nelson ~operty involved: 8310 Long Lake Road MaJor subdivision (1 lut into 6) Mc~. Haake explained that the property is 455 1'eet desp x$05 feet wide ott the weat ai.de, 6reenwood Drive. On the eaat s2de thare already is en exiating home and garage (8300 Long Lake Road) wStli the lot dimensions cz 103 x 213 in Y.he lower half af the east lote. ~ We have reviewed Mrs. N.lson~s pre2lminary plat da~ed April 6, 19~6, and ~ made the following suggeationa for a new preliminary plat to ba drawn up. ~ The new prellminary plat would be ae follows: the dzpth of the lr~t will he even bat they will follow the utility easement line ae they 1 exist now. Lot 1 wi11 be 100 feet wide, lot 2 will be 94 feet wida as indicated on the existing prellminary plat. Lo~ 3 Will be 109 feet '_~ wide and Lut 11 102 f~et wide. Lot 5 will be 102 feet wide. The home' ' nt 8300 Long Lake Road wi11 be inoluded in ~hia px~e].iminary plet with I the owner o; that home, Mrs. Nelson~s son, being s co-siqner of the -3- final plat. Lot 6 will 6e 194 feet wide. The drainage easement :.nosted ~ saroea Lote 1,2,3 & 4 will be moved bo bhe back lot line of the west lo~s and w111 be 10 feet wide r,:nning alon~ eide the exiating utiliby eaeement. The ~hod looated on tho back of the nero propoeed Lot 1 will be moved t~ Loti 6, Robert 4laser arrived at 9:1F pm. MBP (Foas-BUrmeisCer) thet we table 6aneet Nelnon~s m~~or aubdivieion requeet at 8310 Long Lake Road for 30 days. 7 ayea 1 abat. David Biesonnette raperty involved: 8312 ried Oak Minor subdivialon (1 lot i~ito 2) Ken S~odin 1e representing Mr.Bisaonnette. recommend to the Coui~cil that they MSP (F'oes-Blanchard) to/grant the m17or subdivision requeet pf Davld Bisaonnette, 8312 ~ed Onk. The now lot on Fairchi.ld will be 91 x 234 and the lob on Ra~ O~k Drive wili be 182 x 239. 8 gYee Clara Ford roperty nvolved: 8334 Oroveland Dtinor aubdiviaion (1 lot into 2) ,e~+~ Kan S~odin le representing Clara Ford. Aa the lat exlats nuw the f d dimensiona ara 423 x 160. The request is to make two lote each being `~+~/ 211.6 x 160. The existing home (~n the Fanb, Uroveland Rd~ vrill be more than 3a Psot frnm the new back line. Mr. S~odin asked if it is the PZanning Commiselan~s dlreotive not to a11ow this to bs ~ minor aubdiviaion? Counoilman Shelquist stated tihn0 he suggested doing it s~ a ma~or aubdivision. I~19P (Foss-Mackeben) to recommend to t;he Council bhat they approve the minor aubdAvlaion of Clara Ford, 8334 ~rov~land, creating two lot~, Lot B wi.11 br 160 x 211,6 a.nd Lot A, facing Knollwood Drive, would be 16G x 211.6, with eseeme~t~ if neceasary on both aidea oP the back loC line. 6 a~es 2'naye Robert Olazer explained that he voted nay on 0he above beoauee he agreed with 3teve Rose wherain he had stated that they Ahould apply Por a maJor now if 1oC front3n~ Hnnllwood ia desired, as we may oet a precedent that would he difCieult to livp with. ' ~vea Bolsvert roperty nvolved: 7624 & ry63~ Woodlawn Dr, Development of Duplexes Mr. Boisvert is requesting to build a duplex on oach parcel. "" MSP (Burmeister-Roasman)to recommend to the Gouneil that they approva '~~. the development of duplexes on the lots in bhe addresa of 7624 and ~638 Woadlawn Dr., with the duplex that is to go on Lot 1(7638 Woodlawn Dr~) to heve a double car garage. Further, we requlre an intep,rated drainage and grading plan f~r these two lota erd the other additional lots (four) that Mr. 9olevert has an option on. 8&Yee -4- tdnrlan J. Arndt 0 3 erwao3~ R~. (~ Mr. ARndt paid hie fee two waeka ago and wanta the Commisalon to oonaider " thie bype of spiit. He reported that the property involved ia at 84~14 Castwood and that there ie no problem on drainage. The lot dimeneion !e presently 468 x SO1. He ie requesting ^n even lot split to areate two lote, 234 x ioi. He explained the urgenoy in thia ie °i,;,t in oi~de, to apply for a VA loan the buyer has to have a deeoription of hie land, et•a. and must 9ay that legally ha has bough; it. MSP (4lazer-ROSSmbn) to reaommend to the CouneG:l that they e~prove the lot eplit for Marlan S. Arndt at 8444 Eaetwcod. Thls lot ep2iC wi21 areete two 7.ots, the eaat lot being 234.04 x].01.26 and the west lot being 234.04 x 101.26. Th1s reccmmendation is contingent upon aonourrerice by the bui.lding inapectnr, aH it :nay require a drainnge and grade plan. 8 ayes NO'PE: The 8uilding Inspector has not made an in~peotion of thin property yet. • Mr. Arndt's request wae contstctered because he had paid his fe~ on Mareh 29, 1976, and the c+taff did not receive the sketch plan prior to this evening's meeting, whiah is usually required, but ~he rule wae waived. Petron ~ ~~fd9 7ooCdale Drive Mr. Petr~n appeared before the Gommieaion tn sea how St fsit about hio proposed lot aplit. Af*er diseueaion, a roll call wss taken: Mr. Mackeben: It would becom~ sabstanQard eo I would vote no, it would be landlocked. Mr. Fector: Same. Nelghbor~a tiome is lonated ao oloae. Mr. Olazer: Too severely subatanciard. Ms. 8urmelater: Agree with Aon. Ma. Blanchard: Said no before and w111 not chsnRe now. Mr. Foss: Agree Mr. Roseruan: Too subatandard. of Agriculture. Suil ConservaCion ~srvicQ., regera7.ng cne cooperaLive agraement between the City uf Mounds View and the Ramsey Soil~and W~.ter Conservation DSsCrict. f4s. Haake asked for c~mments to give to the Counoil regarQipg this agreement. 1. When a reyuest i.a made pertaining to a private development the devcloper wi.ll be required to pay the charge. 2. A comment on H 5, is triat wher, the requesC is made pertaini.ng "'', to a nrivate devalopment the developer wili be required to pay ~`J any charges for the mentioned materiels in M 5• -5- the wbrd ~na°nandQafterethaeworddeaonsletent°redduthe11orordsineert "8a poealUle". ..:rr.. 4. In M 9 b. delete th:^ word "will" and inaert the word "mayt'. MSP (Mackeben-Rosaman) to recommend to the Counail that they approve of Howard Moachnig~a oontract with the Gity of Mounde VSew wibh a oooperative agneament between Howard J. Moeohnig, Rameey 3oi1 and Water Conservation Distriot and City of Mounde View. 6 ayes 2 nays Mr. Foas staEed that he cou:d aee no purposo in entering into another ~uvernment• aontract. Ms. Blanaharu etated that if they will work for us without the contract ehe aouSd oee no reaeon for thp aontract. Mr. alazer statad that they seemed to be good about telling you what thoy are naC reaprneible for. We need cz commi~ment on paper to rely on. Mr. Aedor would andorse it and Mr. Mactceb~n e.lan egread. Revl.aion of Cha ter 43 ob le omee~ Diooussion was held on a proposed new ordinanoe on mobile homes. ~3.01 (2).1~The Planning Commiesi.on would like to see the definition oS mobi~e homes ohsnged to read as !.t does in the new proposnd Mounds View eoning ordinanoe.dated October '75 on page 6, N31. 2. On page 2 of proposed Chp. 4~, the 2nd paragraph regarding 6em~orary mobile home permita, the Planning Comr,~ission suggesCo the fee be raiaed ~~ from $25 to some undetorminlnad smount. 3• Also on page 2(N1) under 43.04, should read: "No pereon ahull establish, conetrueC, improve, enlarae, extend, elter or o erate..." 4. On page 3, under Pa.rk 81te Design Standards (43.~, the new ~a~ stsould be inaerted which rsads as followe: "Shall be no lees than 28 aores." The old '¢~ wi11 become 'b~, and ~b' will become ~c'. 5. On pa~5e ~, the laet line on that page ahould be deletad enL•irely (Thi~t provision for off-etreet parking apace is provided Por on page 4(4)a. 6. On page 5, under (7), Landacaping (D), dltould read: ~'Land ecaped birm"(inetead of area}, and also add at tha end af thiA rmeli 'b' phrasn: °st the owner/opera~or expense.~' T. On page 5(8) Recreation, at the end of thie provietor~ add the words "developed and maintainad tzt the ownr,r/oparator expensa." 8, Page 5, undor Oen~ral Regulations, lnsart where applicable, new paregrapt~e relating t,o Chese two poSnte: 1. No cellar, Farage, tent or acciesaory bu3lding ehall at any tlmo be used sa a temporary residence or dwelling untt, tempoTBrlly*~or^get~manenbly. 2. Tents, oley houaes, or aimilar structurea mey be used for play or recreational purposes. IvOTE: Do we have a law present,ly which require3 krailera to be tied down? If not, wh~ Meeting w&a ad~ourned at 12:15 AM. Reapectfully su6mitted, ~~, 8 th SWant~olm ~ eeording Secretary