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MINUTE5 OF THE MOUND3 VIEW
PLRNNIHQ COMMISSION
dune y, 1976
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The Mounde View Planning Commission was called to order at the
City Hali by ite chairperson Barbara xaake at 7:35 pm on Wednesday,
June 9, 19T6, The Tollowing members were preaent: Phy111s Blanchard,
Paul Fedor, Robert Olazer, Allen Zepper and Aarbq.a Naake. Absant
were: Oerald Foae, D~n M.aokeben, Nancy Burmeisber and Robert Roaeman.
The minutes for the May 26, 19~6, meeting were amended a~ follows:
~n the lst page, 3rd paragraph, 2nd aentence, delete the word "with"
and insert in 11eu thereof the word "wnere", and in the 3rd sentenae
delete the word "vsriances" and insert "verianee ie". On page 2, lat
paragraph, delete tha worde "ie a large lot, and divlsion of the baak
lots ~ntc 4 aeparate parcels, The paraele are Uaund by Long Lake Rd
and areenwood Drive, t~td" a,nd inaert in lieu bhAreof: "e.re 7 lots;
4 lots numbered 1-4 faaing ~reanwood Drive and 3 lota numbered 5-7
facing Long Lake Road." F'ollowirtg that delete "the figurea now requested
are" an3 ti~ssArt: "Tne depth figuree nnw requested on the west side
bnund by 6reenwood Dr1ve is". In the last sent•ence of that paragraph
between L•he worde "axcepb" and ~'sewer" insert the word "storm". On page
3, 4th para~raph from the bottom of the p~~e, 2nd sentence between
the wo^ds "a' and "gerage" insert the ward 'double'~. Page ~i, 7th
paragraph, laet aentence, deleca the "period" and insert: "at 195 feet in
from the weat 1ot line rather thari at an equal diatance between Cfreenxocd
~-~ Drive and Long Lake Road."
~-J MSP (Filanchard-Fedor) that the minutea be approved ;;s amended. 4 ayes
1 abst
Mr. ^lazer ahstained as he was not present at the May 2ti meeting.
ITEMS F~R CONSTDERATION
E. E. (iuetafson
Property ictvoived: Lots 5 to 2~, Slock g, areenfield Ylat 2
ftezoninq (ft-1 to R-2)
Ms. Haake exp181ned that thia item had been tabled for 30 deys and
a mation vras neaeasary to take i,t from the table.
tdSP {Qlazer-B2enchard) to take from thP table Mr. fiustafson'a appliantion
for a rezoning.
5 ayes
Mr. Guatafson stated tYiet h~ had received a r,dpy of L•he new development ~
contract and bhe stipulations in 1t wouid "rub him out" as far as
development was conaerned. Ori6inaily they wanted to reznne all the
land, Lots 5-23, but if they must abide with the cantraat ±t will reduce
±hem down to 4 lot3. ~
Mr. Roae told him than it reads worse than it ia as all the items would
not perbsin to his development. He su~3eated proceeding with the rezoning
~ as there wiil be a development contrsct rec~uir.ed of him, but probably
not that aevere.
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61r. Ouetafeon f'urther stated th¢t they have acquired :~p extra lot, ao
they can put 3 duplexes on 4 lote. Eaah lot w111 have a front foota~r,
~ of 1Q7 feet, and will be orlthtn the eode.
Ms. Haake said that he tiaill need a proPoeal so t,hat the neigliUorin~
areas tivill know exactly what is caming in. The ~roblem that she presently
aeea is that in the present zoning, when you talk abaut 7 unita you
are getting into R-3, which is apartment zoning. At this tirr:~~ if
it is done R-2, you can never go higher than duplexes. If R-3, Chere
tvill be 8 haasle au they do not plan apartments for that nroa.
Mr. Fedor etated that right nuw, if bhe whole thing is rezonld R-Z,
by the tima you are ready to build, Che new zoning code wi11 probably
oe in effect.
MBP (Fedor-Zepger) to recommend to the Couneil that the approve and aet
for a public hearir.g.the rezoning request of L:.B. dustafson, 6reenfield
Piat 2, from R-1 to R-2, Lots 4,5,6 & 7 of Hloek 3, for the purpoee of
building cluplexea. The skeL•oh indicates the duplexes will have adequate
lot ni~e and will meet the side, renr and front yard aetbacks.
5 ayes
deorge Payne
Property invol•red: 82~J0 and $206 6rovelund Rd
Ma~or auUQ}.vielon (2 lot•a into 5)
Ms. Haake explained that applicant propoeee to combine bwo loce fronbitig
G'roveland, to make five. The J.ote xould all be equal at 80''w7.de
and 210.3~ deep.. On Lot 2, Block 1 they a:e requestit~g a road easemant
~ for Mr. Sohm until Knollwood ie extended. 3he further atated that they
~~.„i might poaeibly approve a eplit of 5- 80 fodb lats, but they v~ould nat
ellow any building on the paraele until the road addition be brought in,
MSP (Glazer-nlanah~rd) to table the requent of 6eorge Payne, 2740 LaPorte
Driva, far the me~or aubdivision creating 5 lots from 2, .tocal:ed at 8200
ahcl 8206 droveland Rd. The Planning Commioa7.on further reoommende that
Mr. Payne petition for the extension of Knollwood Drive before the
Plrutning Commiasion takes further action. The Planning Commiesion doee,
however, approve'of the bnslc r,oncepb of Mr. F¢yne'o propooed lot
eplibe.
. 5 ayes
~Fl~o ~d~~Via a~r
rope~- rty involved: 7815 Woadlawn Dr.
Niinoi• subdivis3on (1 1ot into 2)
Thls request is to make ane lot that ie 263.40 x 125 feet into two lote;
the eas,L• lot frcnting 6ona Rd would be 132 x 125, and the weat l~t facing
Woodlawn Drive would b4 131.42 feet on the north line x 125 feet wi$e
and the so:ith lot line Uei.ng approximately 131 feet deep.
MSP (zepper-Fedor) that we renommend bo the Councll that thoy approve the
lot eplit of Floycl Visger, 7815 Woodlawn Dr., wi,th the abave desar3t~efl
metes and tiounde, wSth the 5 foot eaeement on fihe back lot lines.
.. 5 aYea
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Wilhert Johnson
roper y nao ved; 6953 Pleadantview Dr.
~ Variance (atorage ahed sy footage reyuirementa)
d1r. Johnson is requeatittg a variance to build a 12 x 18 foot etorsge
ehed for etorage of his boat, lawn traator, lawn sweepei~, uto. HiA
existirig garage, 1041 aq feet,novr holds two nars end houaes a ahop
in thR rear. The existing ordinanee atatea that garage size ie 864 eq ft
and an aoceseor;~ building ie 12 x 12. Ne is aeking for a vaTl.ance
of ~~ sq feet for an acaeseory bLtildin~. It would be a metal building
5 feet Prom the south lot line and the door tuould be g6" wide.
MS(Blanehard-2e~per) that we approve the 72 foot variance for the
atnrage ahed at 6953 Pleaaanbview Dr.
Mr. Fedar atatefl th~t in thi~ particular ca~P maybe it would be a7.1 right,
but the door will be opened up again.
At 8:43 Pm Nancy Burmeister arrived.
Mrn ~}lazer stated that his reaction ict also negative as we do have an
ordinanae. If thie is becoming a common problem m3ybe we 5hould address
it to the ordinance itaelf.
;4r. Fedor auggested deai~ing whether our ordinance needs changing.
A vot•e was taken on the motion. 2 ayee
2 nays
~fQe. Burmeister and Mr. Fedor t~bstainad from voting. Moticn was 2 abat.
defeated .
Mr. Fe3or atetecl that if w~ are bo approve this cype of thing it ahould
be dane throuah a changP 1n th~ erdinance.
Mn. Burmoieter asked how long are we going to keep chaciging because of
conditions?
Mr. Fedor moved to table it until we take another look at the ordinance
and bhis moti~n died for lank of a sec~nd.
M8P (Zepper-alazer) ti:at we reconsider the previous motion for approval
of Mr. Johneon's variance.
5 ayea
1 nay
MS(Zepper-Blattchard) that we approve Idx•. Johneon~o varian^e of
72 9q feet at 6953 Pleasantvlew Dri.ve. 3 ayeo
3 nays
Mr. Cilazer suggested aaking the Council to review thi.s and Mo. Haake
suggested accepting Mr. Fedor'e requeat tn table it.
tdSY (6urmeis'ter-~epper) that becauee we have an even number af
Planning Commissi.on membere here and hnve a tie vote that we table the
request until the Ja~,ne 23 meeting where we probably will have an odd
number that,will possibly break the tie vota.
6 ayes
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Jaak & Kenne~t~h K~ru ~en
roper y invoiva~-b48~i aroveland Ad
~ Ma,1or subdivis].on *(2 lota into 11)
Me. Haaku stated that the request is Tor Cwo lota Snto 11 lote, 460 x~2j.2,
Tl~ere will bu three oubetandard lote. They are also aokir~ for a rezoning
on the top three loL•s along County Rd J, Lota 5,6 & 7. The lots that
are deficient are Lote 9,10 and 11. 9he explained t~ them that we have
a new comprehenaive plan and that arpa has been zoned for R-1 reaidentiel.
Mr. Krugen ateted that the 3 aubetandar~ lota, 9, 10 A 11, flre thst wqy
becauae hE wants to keep the trees along the south eide of his property,
The treea aro the reason for his wide aide ~ard setbaoke. HA would like
to rezone the top 3 lots to R-2.
The Commiselon wae polled as to the idea oT rezonin~.
Me. 8lanchard ntated that they have duplexea there already and ehe
wouldei't make a decision at this point.
hfa. Burmeister wanCs to leave in at R-1. Mr. alazer agreed. So did
P~ir. Fedor, because of ~ounty Rd ~T snd the traPfi.c on it he ,rauld also
like to oee the ~teptii af bhe roada more tihan .100 faet so that the houses
can be set back further away from the traffia.
Mr. Zepper wanta to leave 1t at R-1, ae does Me. Hanlce. Mo. F{aal:e then
etated to Mr. Krugen thaC the oonaenaus ol the Commisaion wso no Tor the
rezoning. She further exploined that it would be poesible to crecb3
4 lots for R-1 and in that way get more for tbe lots, as bhe g large
lots have leos econamic value thar. do those on Knollwood and arovalsnd.
(~ To do thia Chey would have to deepe» thc lots along County Hd J.
Ms, Hurmeiater ststed thaC moving the lot lines past the troees would entail
losing ownerehip of the treeo but they would still be there. She'ciid not
feel that L•his waes a problem.
Aftar diacuseion it wae decidad to stay with the 3 lota nlong County Nd •7
and lsave it R-1. The Ylanning v'ommission alao OKsd Che aketah plan
and reaommended that Mr. Krugen have a preliminary pla~ drawn up.
61SP (Fedor-Zepper) to table thls matter for 30 days.
6 ayes
Sandra 9urkG Harle
Property nv~ ve~ 835i Clroveland Rd
Minor aubdivlsion (1 lot ir.to 2)
It was explained that this is a subdivision of two loto croa~ing 'L•wq lobe.
'Che property ie located in (lustafson~s`First AddlCion, I31ACk 1~ LOb9 2& 9.
The houee slts on tho east lot with tlie ga^age and drive on ~he 'west lot.
To keep a 30' rear yard the east lot would be approximateZy ~.42' deep.
The shed loented behind the house would have tb be removed.
M~. Haake further expl&ined that the h~uoe is located on Lot 2 with the
garage and driveway on Lat 9• The old lot line will have to be abandoned
and the new ane ahoul~ be placed ;~0 t'eet from the 6ar.k of the house,
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6lSP (Olazer--redor) that we reaommend to the Counail that they approve th~
lot split of ~andra Burlce Ffarls,y, 8351 Qrove2and Rd „ axeating two ints;
n the 1ot Tror.ting Fairahild to Le 110 x 1U2 nnd the 1~:*, frontinE 6roveland
to be 110 x 278. It ahould be nated that thio irregular lot split is
g:ant•ed because of the hardship it wcwld bring on Me. Harley to remave
hEr home. The P]anning Commissinn i•urther reoommends that if the houee
were later removed far any reaeon that the lots be redivided equally.
(Tiiis would reatore present lot boundaries). The Planning Commiesion
would appreolate the City Council'o and attorney's opinion of the legality
if, at a 1Rter date, the preaent boundaries are reatored i.f the house
should be removed,
6 ayes
Com as~si~on Incor~orated
C ied Ofl-!c Dr3ve ~
tde. Haake explainad that the c;!rlatian centar would 111ce to inoreaee
the occupancy to the state allowable occu~anoy load.
Jim Daire, reFresenti.ng Companeion Incorporated, asked if the Planhing
~'Unnniesio: h~d roaeived a copy of their letter and Ms. Raake replied, no,
ao Mr. D~Sre read it to the Commission. (a~taahed).
Ms. Haake then asked what the present enr~llment io end Mr. paire re~lied
less than 75• She then asked what Ys the reason Cor tho incraase thenT
hlr. Daire anstvered that the enrollment for riext year has doubled and
if it continues to grow they will need possib2y the total ocoupancy
,..._, allowable. He had cheaked with Ron Fageratrom, the Fire Chlaf, and he
~ stated that ii could be 32S ecent°ding to ~BC and SFC. Mr. Daire Alno
`,: stated bhat the Christian CenCer wants to be able to expand becaueP of the
good results they s:•e having with their studenbs.
Me. Haake eonmented on whether or not they have parking faailities for 328
and also aueationed tha reason bhey were granted only 75 st•udents with the
origin~l Speelal Use Permit.
Mr..Daire replied that there wae reslly no reaeon given other than the
fact that the pastor waa asked whether ~5 was enough and he said yes, and
that is :vhst ~hey were granted.
Dlscue~aton was held re~arding the parking and over detiaifying the area,
Aleo they do not have facilitlea for a playground and to wallc along Hiliview
to reach Hiliview Park, with no eidewa7.ka, would be dangerous.
hir. Dsir~ stated that he had spoken to Eng. Beardan a year and R half aga
about the bT'APP1C flow and he wae esaured that they had good arterinl
streets and~that the traffic flow wou16 be :io prohlem.
Steve Roae stated that the City io not ooncerned with the traffia f7.ow.
We reel th~t we have adequ~te meana fnr traffis flow there, but the City
is concerned about ovar-Farking of the area and alse concerned that the
school ares there cannot faailiteate 378 students. They htsve no p,rouncl
on whioh to recreate the studente and traveling along Hillvinw witlzout
eidewslks would be dangeroue,
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Ms. Haake statod that poseibly they oould relieve the problem of parkin~
by uaing a triangle.
~ Mr. alazer mentioned thst they should poasibly obtain s better *eeling
for the impaat th~h thia may have on the immediate neighbore around the
~ommunity.
Mr. 'Lepper moved to increaae the ocoupancy to ~28 if the requiremente
of a 1 huur fira oorridor of thd N.R. basement exit are made,
and that the tunnel door gaing into the ohuroh were kept oloeed all the
bime and that the ahurch basement and up etalra were not used foi~ etudent
eduaation. This motion wae seaonded by Me. D.lancharft.
Mr. Qlazer atatod that he would vote against it Ueaause of the impaaL•
of residontial quslity on Llyo neighborhood. Tt aould over-Raturate }iillview
Park. Mr. Fedor agreed.
tdr. Zeppar stated that thie would not happen beaauae tye houra are probnbly
sEaggered with ti~e use an~ all 320 etudents wouldn~i be there at once.
Mr. Fedor atated that with nu sidewalks Co the park, the atudent groups
going over there would still be sub~oated to aroesing on a publia atreet
where there is substantial traffic.
The motion was m¢de by Mr. Zepper and Mr. Fedor to wltlidraw the above motion.
'The Y2anning Got~~r„ie:aloi: had f~irthor dioc~.iuc:aa 3nd they Lelt ':hat they
ehould have the feeling of the immediate oommunity anci ahould hold a public
hesring.
~ MSP (Hurmeistsr-Fedor) that the Flanning Commisoion sees a need for a publia
t~ hearing sn they nan make a decieion as to the ocaupancy load of the
-", a~hool. They ins.truct the City staff to send out notices for the
public hearing at 8•.3d July Ik. 6 ayes
Mr. Daire commenbed that he oan see no diffioulty in having,the
public hearing .in thaC he wanta to work with the City of thie problem.
Finally, the Planning Commieaion would like to recommend that slnce the
City ia bringing on an inataff engineer June 28 tnat his firsi; priority
wnuld be to work on a city street plan.
MSP (Durmeistnr-Zey;~er) Co ad,~ourn at 11:3n Pm 6 ayas
Reapectfull,y submil:tod,
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