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6tINUTCS OF THE IdOUDlDS VIrl~r
PLANN.IPrG COPdMISSION
~ July 14, 1976
The Mounde Vietv Planning Commiasi'on waa aallod to order at the City
PSall by its chairperoon Aarbara H+~ake 1t 7~3~ pm on lJr.dnesdny,
July 1~1, 197(. The follnwinE membern were prenenb: Phyl].ie I31¢nchard,
Don Mackebeli, Plancy Burmeiater, Robert Olazer, Allen ZepAar and
Darbara Heake. Absent were: Robert T:osoman~ Pnul Fedor and Oerald Poas,
The minutes for the June 23> 1976, MeeGinF were emended as followa:
On page 9, Sth paragraPh, 4Lh sentence, the
be deloted and inaerted in 11eu hhere of the
the last,sentenae ot Chat paragraph delete t
inaert in lieu t'r~ereof the figurea "~7.3~~" •
4th line, delete tho figure "100" and inEert
fi~ux~e ~'110".
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thereof the '
MSP (Mackeben-2epper) that the minutes be z,pprove~ ae amended. 6 ayes
ITEMS FOR CONSIDi'RA'PION
Donald Gimpel
Propertiy involved: T500 Knollwood Drive
biinor subdivision (1 .lot into 2) Tabled from 7-23-75
~'"~ Ms. iiaake explained that Mr. Ciimpel had appeared in July of 1976 wlthout
',~,' a proper aketch and he ceme back in August ot 19~5• Mr. Sklba eta~ed
that there was a raai drainage prob7.Am and the request wae tabled
until he aame baek wlth a topobraphiasl drainage plan. There Yas baen.
no ohange and he ls asking for the exaet same aubdivision.
MSP (BUrmeiater-[dacke4en) to take the motion that was tabled on Auguet 27
1975, concernin~ Donald dimpel, involving property at 7500 Rnollwood
Drive, from the table. 6 ayes
61s. Naake conL-inued: the parce:i ts facing Knollwood Drive on the F,ast
side and the South side facee Rronson Drive. There ie 133 feet csn the
Knollwood Drive oide and ?.28.3 on the Aronaon Drive aide. The
raquest is for a west lol; L~5 to q0 x 133, the eaRt lot faainQ Knollx~od
Dri•~e to be 133 x 143 on the south lot line.
Mr. 61mpe1 etated that the Council stated that someone wou7.d look
in1:o it and see if ecu.ldn't be uscd as a ~saleablo ].ot Wlthout having
it Tilled or drain tile put in,
Steve Rose ~tttted that the engineer and he could see no prob].em. It
la a build&ble lot and the onua is on the new buyer to do the ~;rading
pro~erly, to allot•i proper drainap;e and L-o bring Sn water.
Mr, Cimpel abnted that they thou~ht they had to have everything done
before they could come back and they did not have enough money to do
i~`;, that. The real estate m¢n told them to go bo the C1.ty Council.
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Nancy Burmeiater stated thnt ttiere i~ a oonfliot between Sldbn nnd
rioao'o opinion.
61r. Ci; pel eaid ttiab they too;, thc Sot•renr. ~rea nnP, went d.own 5 1/2
~ for~t• tor a soil boring,
~ M~. t{aake s4kecl tho Commission if they would endoroe th3a ty(~e of
subdivieion ap Zong na the inspector fir,ds oo problem. They all etatec]
yeg.
D1s. tiaak¢ then stnted tha~ the consensus i~ titat vrith the dimQnniono
stated previouoly, n minor aubdiviaion of thia eort arould moat liltely
receive approVnl.
t9SF (Mackeben-0laxer) to table the request for u minor ~ubdivieion of
Donnld aimpel, 75aa Knoliwood t?rive, until the July 28, 1976, meeting.
6 ayea
Jack & KQnneth~ _K~~r~uge_n
rope~~ vl ed: ~8480 ~roveland Roed
MaJor aubdiviqian (1 1ot int•o 27.)
1'he ma,~or uubdlvision was table 30 dayo s~ applicant coul'd submlt
a preliminary plnt.
tdSP (Qlazer-7.epper) to take from Lhe br~ble the Krugen requeat, A480
ar.oveland Road, fox• a ma,Jor subdivision that wae tabled on June 9, 19~fi.
6 ayes
Ms, Haake staEed that thia property is: along Cot:nty ~id J 42~.~;
~~~ along Knollwoacl Drive or, the we~t ~ide and c7reveland Road on the east
~ ie A60 feet. The request is to make 11 lot~s; 3 Zuts bardering Ceunty
Rd J would be all 141 x 100, The lots facing Rnollwood Drive, numbered
8,9 and 10, would be 85 x 211. Lot 1] would be 105 x 211. Tl~e lots
faoing Ciroveland Road numbered 5,6 h'7 will be t30 x 211 and Lot 4,
with the addreas of ~~+30 aroveland Rd and hao the exiating home on it,
will be 120 x 211.
riS (Burmeister-Mackeben) that we 3lsapprove
appiication for a ma~or aubdiviuion at 8486
on the preliminary plat dated'June 21, 1976
Mr. Zepper stated that we did not favor the
place but we want through the procedure attd
Lti3t the ma~ority of us ware in favor of it
gone through vrhat we askad him to.
of the Jank & Kenneth Krugen
Groveland ftoad, as preser.ted
100.foot lots in the lat
gave him the general Peeli»g
and the contraator hae
fdr. M¢nkeben sbated that eince he was absent the last time, 100 foo~
deep .lote on County Rd J is not adequate. It Wou1d be,mixch better
I planning to have ? lots rather than 3 late; L•he one facing Knol].wood
would be 1U0 x 211.64 and the one f4eing Orove].and wou].d have the eame
dimensiono.
! t4r. 6lazer eL•ated that tie vrould have tn xupport tk:e ori~inal reaommen-
~ dation but it waa ctn error of ~udgment. P. vote was taY.en:
~ _...~ , 3 aYes
~J 3 nays
6totion did not pasa for leok of ¢ maJority.
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f1SP (BUrmei3ter-~4aokoben) that
Krugen application for a ma~or
"""~ as preaented om the preliminar
the laak of depth on Lots 1,2 k
greal deal of traffic.
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we diaapprove of the Jsek & Kenneth i
aubdivieien at 8~i80 ~roveland Road,
y pla~ dated June 21, 1976, beoauae of
3 on County nd J which oreates a `i
4 ayea
Z nays
:~Is. Burmei3ter aLated for the rocord that bhere was a~ereat deal of
diseuESion ahout the treea, etc., everyone wae draw!.n~r alternate
plans, the lsat time he wae i,n. We ~ave somawhat of a etraw vote
apProval of the sketch nlan. lJe did not say t~e were ~oing to aPProve
]00 foot deep lots beat~use we were going bo try to aome up with
~lternativea.
The Planning Commi.salon augges~s:' if Mr. Kru~Sen would lilce to resubmit
hiu maJor subdivis;on, making Lots 1,2 & 3 combined to meke two lots;
~he west lot 100 x 211.60 and khe east lot having the snme d3meneiona,
the Planning Commias3on oeea no problema with the rest of the subm±tted
prellmittary p1aL•.
t4r. 6lazer stated that he again voted nay because ~f the agreement
that the Planning Gommieat.on haci to aupporC them in tYielr eriginal
recommendation.
P~, ' 4~e~or ~e Pa ~ne: was nob heard as neiCher he nor hies representative
t 1 appesr- ed.
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Poter Jorden
xoperl~Sty nvolved: 7474 Spring Lake Rd
Ma,~or aubdivision (1 lot into 3)
Mr. Jordan atated thab they are ask].ng thst the road eanement be waived.
They do not think that the road ie practiaal
tds. Ilaake stated tihat this lot ia 195.97 dn Spring Lake Rd sidA,
nnd or. Bronaon nrive it ie 319.60. He is x~equesting 3 lote; the
eaat lot tacinE; upring Lake Road'mit•h the exinting home would be
195•97 x 19y.60. The lot to the rrest of'that would be 9Q feet facing
Sronson Dr:lve x 195.68, and Lhe furbhedt west lot also fa.cing Aronsan
would be 9o x 195.49.
Mr. Jordan atated that Donovan Wendt, from ivhom he bought the property,
told him the City wanted only 30 feeb, not 80. Ilis rpaeona for no
road is that there is no other b1~ok in the region dovrn whi^:h a sLreat
hna been Put; this ien't quita fair as to what iv taill do tc the
property value. T}~e nei~;hbors do not seem to be very ar~xioua for L•he
road. In summary, thPre i.sn'L• a precedent for pubting tho rond down
and if he i~ held up it will be cootly.
4erald Poos nrrived at 9:15 pm.
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blr. Qlazer otated that tae are not n11 endureing theae road~and there
are a number of us who don'*, think that nore ta better.
t~is.Burmeietes~ s~tked what if till the people south of him deaide they
don't want these lots--Z don~t think you can eay 1t should be'this
tray or the othar. Ide ~ust l001< at it that there ia always a
posaibility.
btr. 6lazer etatecl tl~at the City has to aome up with an overall
transportation plan. fta would lil<e to table it until euoh t1.me as
we aome up with this plan or if Chst is Lou long, then he would support
the petition.
Pis. I~lancl~ard stated that we have been te111ng people for eo many
yeara that we are going to have a road study ancl it Coean't p,et done.
I am very sympathetic to thio man'~ petitlun anC I think we htzve to OX 1t.
fQe. Burmeister stated that ahe tivould ~uat as oonn table it beca.use
by giving him this we ~vould be locking peop.le out south of h1m. I
wou7,d like to inveati~ate it more.
14r. Maokeben atated that there are always people who want the deep
lota ~nd will aome hex~e because of them. IL is healthy ,planning to
plan lats 340 foet deep. I thinlc vre should approve the requQat.
Mx. 2epper stated that he ia in fa~~~r of t¢bling beaause we now have an
en3lnser and ane of his ~oba is tlra transportstSon plan. Othzrwise
rie would be in favor of the petition.
Ms. Haake atated that she would nob be 1n favor because we.are here
for planriing.
Mr. Cilazer nbated that ane of our big aelling pointe in b1ounda View
was our diversity.
MSP (Zepner-Blanchard) Chat we renommend te th'e Council that they
approve the aiarvey of the lot aplit pre~enCed py Peter Jordan for'
the 3 loto at the property at 7474 Spring Lake Rd, making,the lotn
aa'above specified. Rinal approval ~vill 6e wiChheld until the
preliminary plat comea in.
A ro7,1 call vota was requesterl.
Mr. Foss - nay
trtr. 6lazer - aye
Ms. Blanr.h~r~i - ay~
!4s. Aurmeister - nay
Ms. Haska - nay
Mr. Mackeben - aye
Mr. 2epper - aye
fAotion carried. 4,ayea
3 nays
Ms. Au~meister atated that she voted nsy becauee she feels that the
plan is bad. 9he does nat feel that there ie enough information
as to the feasibility of putting roada Sn there.,
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' Ms. Haake atgted that tliis vote on the eurvey in not binding on the
,r~ ftnal vnte on the preliminery plat beoauee the full Commi~oion is not
I `y here. She dianpp.roved of it heoause she did not feel that we are
w plnnning for the tuture und there should be e road eaaoment off of
~ronson Avenue: Note laaee that we alrea.d have a road easement on
two lots ~ust south of th s parnel and a letter was x~ rten to~C ty
Hall on Pebrunry 27, 1474, from Comstonk and Davis ssying that a road
is definitely poseible with t~vo exita out of this blook bordered hY
Pleasant View, Bronson Drive, 5pring Lake Rd and County Rd li-?_. Thie
wi11. be fbund in the Aonovan Wendt filr,.
NOTE: Planning Commiesion wante the report from the new en~ir.eer
or £rom Camstoak and Davis to go to the Councii immediabely regarding
the rcad in this desorlbed parael that was statod above on the
lordan property before the next meeting.
Don Maokeben left at 9:50 pm.
Pau1 Plasch
Proper~y ~olved: 8255 Gaot~ood Rd
Minor aubdivialon ( 1 loL- into 2)
M3P (Foss-2epper) to table this until we disouse the Rot~er*. Andrus, .
requeet. 6 ayes
Hobert dndrus
~ Property ~volved; 8241 Creenwood DriVe
Minor subdivieion {1 lot into 2) The builder, Mr. Eigenhee:+,
spoke f~r :~Ix~. Andrus.
14s. Naake stated that thia.req~xeAt ia on a elcetch plan divSding a lot•
thaL ia 8~.5 x 4'/3• They would like to make e lot fae3ng Eastwood
' 87.5.x 343; the ]ot facing cireonwood 6~.5 x 13~.
Note: This cannot be an equal lot split because the bank of the home
is aut by':the cent•er line.
The Commission was polled:
Mr, Zepper: Like to see 1t brought up to the 3~ feet baok yard
set back.
Ms. Bux~me~ster: .T. viould, too. It shouid Po up ta 30 feet ainoe
it cannot ba physicelly rlivided otherwise.
t4s. Blanchard: Aa long as they hgVe the square footage I will go
' along oiith what they,have.
Mr. 6lazer: He will back another 17 'feet to correspond.
t4r. Foes: Goes along with idr. Zepper. Brin~ the lot line back 30 fePt
from the other house.
t4s. Haake rytated that the consensus is such that if Mr. Andrue w~uld
like to come back to the Cammission vriUh his survey done it would
a~p3ar that they would approve: where the Oreentaoocl Lot would be -
87.5 x 147.5. ~
MSP (7.eppar-Hlancharc2) t~ tuke from the tabla the Plasch request.
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tdr. 6lazer: I really don~t tcnow what to eay.
tde. Hlanohard: If thev are happy caith 1~~7 and Mr. Andrua will
go to 14'j thab is f~ne.
Mn. Durmeieter; 5ti11 feel it ehould be the equul lot nplit,
Mr, xe~per: I wouid go 147,
Mu. i[aake etated thnt perhups ore shou.ld OIt thia and let the
Counoil tnke oarQ o~ 1.t, s2hos 3 wuelse ago the Counoil staEed thab you
oannot be arbitrary at2d o~tprinlous,
tdr. Plasoh asked to withdraw hin firot survey from aonsideration.
Mr. Foso atfltnd that he would 11ke to go on renurd snying ~hat he would
vota yeo for the divislon of. 1q~,5,
hiSP (Fone-Zepper) that we table Mr. and t4rs. Plasch's reque~t untll
they c~m4 baok rrith a new survey.
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ounty Rd H2
oame betore the CommSseion on the Jack & Kentteth Krugen requeat.
~ He atated that they have a time problem and have aromiaed to build on
~._,~~ the lots. They are helping Mr. Krugen vn bhies. Hia portion ie
holdl,ng them up. He would go along wlth the two lota. Ms. Haake
told him I;hat she cannot wnive anything--they have to aee tha final
ylan noW.
MSP (B].anohsrd-Foss) to reoonsider the Rrugen ms~or subdivis+_on.
6 ayes
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~ bis. tisake stnted that Mr.Hummell sppeared Uefore the Planning Commission
i; ~ in behalf of the Krugen aubdivislo,~. He h~d Ucen Sn conCaot with Jack
1 Kru~en st 8480 t}raveland Road ar.d said that Mr. Krugen would agree
to have the 3 lote faaing County Rd J combYned into two lots; the
weab 1ot being 7.0l1 x 211.60 and tho eas1: Sot 100 x 211.60. Mr. fItzmmeil
requeeLed th&t we sat on the preliminary plat wlth o71y those,nhangea
~ and Yi~BY would have a ne~•r prellminary ~la.t roaciy for the Counoil meeting
on July 26, 1976, inaorporatiny thnse ahanges. Sinee the Pianning
Commiasion had it:dicated Co the Krugers on Juna 9 that we would
' pase on his'sketch plan that is exaatly like L•he proposed plat he
eubmitted to us this evening and that we change3 our mind regarding
Lota 1, 2& 3 because of previous discusaion in these matters, we
v!ou7.d like to ask the Councii to apprave L•he new proposed preliminary
plst that fdr•. iSumme7.1 will Ge eubmittxng to them on their July ~6
j Counail meetln~ with only two lot•a on County ftd J.
l4SP (Foss-7.epper) thet we recummend to the Cour.cil that'they approve
tne preliminary plat that indi~seL•ea Lots 1,2 & 3 in the Lida P~ Hummell
~% lat Addition be aombinod Snto tvro lota, the west lot being 100 x 211.60
and the easL lot bein~ 100 x 211,60. The remaininp, lots would be
ronumbered &nd have tha oxact dimensions t1~ab the proposed plat datad
June 21, 1~76, has.
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~ Property involvedt 8311 Spring Gnke Roetd
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Velda F'ogard wau represenbed by Ken 3~odin~ Dio. 1(aalte explained that
the exiating lot 'e ~88~a 9o x~218T10,randetheirast lotefaoing Knollwood
lot faoing spring .~?'
Drive 90 x 210,10.
t48P (Burmoleter-Zepper) bo raoommend,to the Counoil that thoy apgrove
Lake1Rosdpwithwa~5 footBeaoemente(utility)ronethe haokr1ot811nesprSng
of Lot A and a 5 foot utility easement on tho baalc lot line of Lot ~.
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Dieauselon was then hold on drivewaye•
bto'etin~ nd,~ournEd at ii~5a ~~•
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