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PLANNTAJiI COMM1IIS5ION
AugUnt ?!i, 1976
~ The f~Tounde View Planninq Comminaion was called to order at Lhe City
Hall by its ohairpereon Harbara }[aaice at 7:30 pm on 4tednesday,
August 2y, 197G. The tollowlnp; memBers were presentt Nancy Burmeister,
Qr.ruld'Fose, Robert aJ.azer, Paul Fedor, Phyllia 6lanchard and Barbara
Hankp. Absent were: Allan 7.opper and bon 6laakeben~
The minutea for the Aup;ua~ 11, 1975, n~eebin~; were correr.ted as followat
on page 2, ldt paragr~~h, delotc the P?.~rure "90" and insert in lieu
thereof the figure "10', and aftnr Che vrox~d "area;" an4 before the word
°i'inal" indei~t: "and Lhe grcen nrea of H dietattce of epproximate'_y
90 feet'~; b'urbf~ec, hir. Olazer tuanted the reaeon for hie vote "nay~' to
be noted in the Pete,r. Jord;in matter (page 2) n3 fallows: "Nothing had
ehangad since blr. Jordan's first visi.t, none of the circumatances had
ehanged surroun3ing this iseue."
PQr. 6lazer eAntinue9: Aarely do we get approval from Ric~ Creek or the
?CA--perhapa we slioulcl be thinking about wording a resolution to indioate
that we will review their aommenta and try to oome up wi~h a resolution.
~4s. 6urmpiater stated that we nevcr see the reporta and when we a~tc
for tihem we never get them. We ahould aok that tt copy of these reports
be sent to the Planning Commiseion.
MSP (Hurmeister-Fedor} that the minute~ be approvpd ss corrected. 5 aves
fMr. Fosa had not
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Ma. I{aake atated that we should set a policy if we are goin~ L•o aomment
on sket•ch plaria, Ma. Burmeister said that by abstaining we ehauld have
less problema. tdr. 6lazer felt that if the people took the trouble
to oome dovrn they do deserve every conai.deration. He also felt that 3t
was the poor t~ttendance recurd that gets tham int•o ~rou6le. tds, Haalce
said that sometimes the memberahip does change thQir vote themselves.
The problem ia that the people coming ln feel that it is an offinial
vote--perhaps the straw vote ehould be avoided. ~6e. Rurmeiste: sa19
that thls does giVe them an indication of what they have to c~~rk~crct.
lJe et~n only net on the formal thingv--the people with ~uat• the sketch
plans could b~ left until the Tormal meetin~r lu over if the,y luttt vrant
our ideaa and sugqeationa. ~ir. Fedor atated tha~ those with'only a
eketch plan can only be given eaoh 1r.div3dual's viewpoint, He felt
thslt the straw votes shouZd be aliminated alea. ,
tT6IsS POR CONSIDERATTON
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roperty involved: ~2G5 Spring Lalce Ropd
Pdlnor subdivielon (1 lot ir~to 2)
t4r. Rose gave the folloorin(~ dimeneions: upring Lake Rd 80 feet north,
where you go east 218 feet, nor~h 100 £eet, south 127 Ts~:~, west ~0 feet,
°, F~ubh 53 feet, Vrestarl,y 35z•13 feet. The propoeal ~s to split the west
1 1 210 feet which is in line to hia neighbor to the norbh. The vrest lot
a•~ to be 80 x 218, the eESt lot to be 180 x 214.].3 axcept the southe?~st
corner 53; x 70; ~•thieh ia owned by the City.
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Utility easementa would have to be ineluded for both paroe2~. The
~r~ problem ie~ tbaL ho aan subdtvido further and thlo ip pihat ato££ reoommenda.
f j Idr. Gri~kaon stat:d that his 6uyer, who is e builder, 1s perCecbly
*- willin~ to buy the cornar owned by the City.
14p. Ilurmeietar ataCed Lhat ahe could not see orhy the buyer would have
any ob,~ectlon to aoming in at the same time ns kir. f•,riakaon, as he tuould
have to come in anyw~y, i•ir. C1lazer atated that ttc was leas than
ehthusiaatic about some of the reaaoninp, behlnQ this, tdr. Fedor atated
that he would lilw to eee tha ~orner ioaue resolved before anything
is done.
bis, Butmeister further stated tY~at they cannot get any ap~roval tvnight
anywsy eo urhy not, in the meanbime, contact• the buyer and when P4r.
6rickson com,ee baok the buyer can come back at the eam~ tirne. D;r. Fedor
aaid tltat this would go through the Commiasion more eaHily if Lhe oorner
were purohased and all linQd togetlier.
:~r. Rose said thai; the rea~son it is talcing so long is that t•he y4ate
gave it to the city and the city cannob 3e11 it. It has to k~e given
baok to the state.
Ms, Haake asked: nhould we hsve him go back nnd p;eC a aurveyor~s
certlficate for a miuor aubdivlsion7 Lot the buyer hasele with the State.
Mr. Fedor enid that he would abotain from an opinion. Ms. Blanehard
said that St looks llke a aimple lot aplit if he brings in the
,.~ certiflcate.
~~ Councilman Shelquist stated thet it is less than f:xir--there is no 1ega1
holding that he subdivide that beyond what he want~ End he should be
allowed to do what he wantn. Mg. }{aake told Mr. Erickson thati the
next time t,hey sep hlm he ehould come in with hie aurveynr'e aertificate. '
It Sa legal they way that he hae planned it an hie lota are the right s12e.
Couttcilman Shelqui.ab stated that if you try to ~o through two minor
subd3vis~.ons in one step the County'may want it platte3. It may he
better to dn it in two stepa. It woul,d be preferable if the buyer
would go along and p].at the tiahole th1n~.
Mid „ontinent Mana ement
roper y.nvo.ved: 3~ Highway 10
Special Use Permit (liighway Sigrr)
Susan Kaeter, 5445 Jackaon Drive, renreaented 'i'he 8unde Apartmer.ta.
3he explained thst the Sanda is a 90 unit apartment nomplex manaqed
by Mid Continent and cshe is the prqperty manage=•, She did not realize
that there was a s3gn ordinance pa~sed Anfl°that the City does noL• want
another sign on fiighway 1Q. The reasan~ for their putting a aian
up on the.Launching Pad prope.rLy 1s that their aPartnent,s arfl~the moet
expensive ones in f~Ioundn View and they t~re fac:ing a grave vacancy
problem. They do not ha~Je visib111ty from Hlghway 10 and she et.ressed
that thie would Ue only a temporary measure. They are intereated in
plecing a sign on that property for approximately 6 montho to a year.
~J+ f4r, Foss arrived at 0,12 pm.
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tAr. 61~zor asked if Chere wae any alternative such as an elevated sign
on the pretnisen and she replied that it w~ould have to be awfully P,igh
"""'' as they are two bloak to the easC.
Councilman Shelquist stated tuat this would appea^ to h1m aa a Permanent
sign. The length ot tlme that they tivish to put it up is temporery,
poesibly, but it should not be tre¢ted as tem~orary under the defini~ion
of the ordf.nanoe.
Staff otated that it has to be aonsid~red n bil2boerd beoause it Ss off
its property.
Dfs. Haake steted I:hat ae Che Launching Paci a2ready has a permanent si~n
Lhere should not be anothcr permanenY, si~n on the property.
3he further stated tha~; thoy would have to ~i.ve iC t•~ro varifixtces r.ither
way. AIo. AurmelatQr ~tated that she would oonsider it permanent, hov~ever.
MS (Fedor•~6lazer) to reco^mend to the Couneil r,hat they der.y the Specisl
Use Permit requeat of hiid Continent h1anaF,ement nt 2375 H~.gh!vay 10.
s'' Ms. Burmeister amended the motion, because their request was for a
"rF temporar.y sign, but upon reviewing it we find that it does not f4t the
" definition of a temporary nlgn &t1d 19 more of a permanent eign. If it
io trented ~s a permanent sign it is a violation of being lesa than
3aa feet from another permanenb sign on the property, as aacording, to
39•al~l'2), it allows only on~ Permanent sign on a locatton. This
^( amendment was seconded hy Mr. 41a.zer.
':I ids. Blanohard wanted to know if it ~ould be treated as a temporary sign
'`I (~~' with a time 11mit and Mr. Olazer stated that that viae why he was
av,,,i wondering if it le a sou~id ordinance.
~ A vote was called for on Che amendrt~ent, 6 ayea
A vote vras called for on the main motion as amerided. 6 a~es
~ Ms. Dlanchard stctbed that she votgd in favor of the mo~lon 6eeause of our
ordinance and t:hnt is on our boc~Jts has to be upheld. At the same time
! perha.pu We should look further into the possibility of a temporary ni~;n
I for a certa3n period af time (9~ ~1aYa or 6 months}-_where i~ ie a legal
' business askitt~ for hnlp.
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I PQ3. Fiaake stated should we recommer~d to the Councll that 3n a oase like
this somebhirig should be done, f4a. Burm~~.~tier aaid that they ehould
( i.ook for an alternativa. Ms. Haake sugge~sted they check into purchasing
+ existit~~ bill bnard spane. f4r. O7,azer stated that ire seem to have a lot
i of national adv~rtising that doesn~t benefit: trie residents.
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; Ms. Naake told 4~Is. Kaater that the requeat for the Special Use Permit
' will come beforc tl:e Counetl tha 2nd 14onday of September.
Mr. rind ~drs. Bob Lestina, 6939 Flea3antvlew Drive, atated that they were
ir~terested in garnp,es and storage sheda, what conatiCutes a gartj.ge
docr etc.
t4a. Ftaake stated that L-here should be 6ome discusaion as to larger
stora~e aheda.
t CounciLnan Shelquist stated that at the lnst Co~ancil meeting (after
~-~ Wilbur Johnson's reque~t was granted when lie brought his ahed alze
down to 216 --it wes passed as a variance} he made the motion that we
inerease ~he e2ze of sheds to 216 feet becauae Sf they wera goina, to
grant the Johnson varlan~e, a7.1 citi.zens should have the right to it.
hiayor Piclcar recommenaed that it be brought before L•he Planning Commiesion~
r ~ P1r. Olazer stated that iF there is nnything that should not be broup,ht
back before the Planning Commiesion it is this.
Counallman Shelquiat aslce~ the Commission to consider their recommendntions
and atate their reasons.
t4s. }inake told A9i~. rtnd tdrs. Lestina that they should Qome to the
hearing and atate their reasons for s•ranting 220 feet perhape that wlll
be achieved. They hn+re n precedent now,
Mr. Fedor stated that he has altvays favored n lnrger acaeeaory buildinp,
decause he would rather ~ee a guo3 solid Uuilding built than whnt thoy
are getting. It ive go to a larger one ete wi.ll see a better huilding.
He would like to gst it o~at of the 5pecial Use category and 216 taould
be the maximum with a variance used only under er.treme har3ship.
Ms. Haake 3tabed that she ~vould also reoommend that it be taken out of
the special use category.
hlr. Olazer felt that he taot~ld want tu stay piith the eame nize acaeseory
cuilding and rem:~in ae a apecial use permit.
Ms. 6urmeister aaid she thought vie should keep tlte 1~15 eq feet~-they
went to a 3 enr gara~e--where does this end? She alao taould like to tske
it out of special use permit.
bis. Blanchard etated thnt it should be left as it is. Keep St under
apecial use permit so thaC it is alloweble if they want to pueh it.
Mr. Pos3 wante to nee them etick wi~h the 864 foot garage and the 145
feet accessory building. };e wo+xld go with the varlanae tn hardahip casect.
~`~ 695. HAAKE TO CITY COUNCIL: 4 people on the Commieaioh want Gho
ordinance changed regarding accessory buildinga to etate that lt wou].d
take out the Special IIea Permib required and say tY,.;;thoy 8re for ~
v&riance--aZl rei'erence tio a epeeial use permit bo Aaleted. Ttao people
want to keep it a~ a ~pecial Use Permit. 4 Co:nminnionora went to etay
wlth the 14S size and trtr. F~dor and Mr. Olazor opt for the 216 eq feet.
Counci.lman Shelqulst spoke rege.rding the Dsuer Woldine & Matal
Fabrlcators motion of Au~uet 11, Tho muLion so m¢de'13oted the
requirements that are alr~ady'n matter of' ordinanae. Thst motion put
down man,y stipulations buC Qid not da nuch f'ar the man. !fe Telt thar
the Commiasion had spent very litLlc~ t,Smo lookinP, at the plano. He
stated that they ought to i'unation aa u Flnnninp Commieeion as they
did a few years a(;o--there ara oomo novi ord3ranoue and a ai6nificant
increa3e in the capabilities of the ot;nfC, ~ub ho folt th¢t they ati11
shaulcl f:ake a more crltiaal l~olc.
Mr. 6lazer stated that he felt that tho otaff ohould have direubed the
msn previously.
Mr. Skielquiot oontinued: if tt~e Comniaeion coelo it naeds ta see the
?CA reports hefore ;nakSnF a finnl do~ioion, than defer it and wait for
them, but loolc into things moro thorou~;hSy. Ilo oertain that the sta:'f
ha3 caught everythln~+. Da~~t ~U6C ~RtlO thlhp,s undar praasux~e. Do whnt
you are supaoseci to do, namoly PLAPl, Ra our~eotod that the Caunuil
and the Planning Commiaoion got to{!othar attcl diacusa thingo. Alao
he felt that thoy would proooect ailth tha ndoption of the new zoninP
ordinance ao aoon aa paaalhla.
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Coun~ilman Shelquist stated that since ~ob Rosaman has resigned you
~y have ari ompty aeat--ahauld Che Counaii raise thr. number of people
~, ~ required far a quorum-~3hould they redu~e the si2e of the Planning
~?" Commiasion? One of the problems is that you meet twioc a morith and it
~ is getting to be a drudge. Now that Sot splite are dropplnF, off
perha,ps you nould go baax to anae a month. He wuuld like a recommepdation ~
on how the Commiesion fe~la as to whether they shoUld reduae the siae
or what.
f4b. Haake: if we drop to y, we taould need 2/3 for a quorum.
Ma, ~urmeistere oould go to 9 and have a 2/3 quorum. ~
ldr. Fedor: Think we shoul3 go to ~ membere eventuelly and leave the
quorum at 5• Leave at 8 for :1ow and as cameone resigne Y~ewrite the I
ordi.nanae.
Ma. Burmesi.ter: for the time ~aein~ leave it at 8 but whenev~r there ie ,
a resignation it will aut•omatically go to '/, '
Ms. Haake aeked: how mnny like 9 me~hbers on the Planning Commlaeion, ~
hvw many liAe 7? ~
i~Ir. Foes: $, but would go to 7. I
Ms.~Slanchard: happy with 9 but would g~ to 7.
tds. Hurmeaitier:, 9 is 2"ine, bub ralee the quorum.
Mr. alazer: 7 with 2/3 qUorum ~
Mr. Fedor: ~ with 2/3 4uorum. But only go dawn to 7 with s resignatiun.
~ The coneenaus w~s to go down to 7 and aek between now and Deeember if ~;
anyone wants ~'off°. 5 should be the qu.~rum. Aleo dieoussed wae:
3 miesea a,year should be revleWed nwithoub legitimate,reaeon.
Meeting ad~ourned at 10:35 pm.
Respect!'ully eubmitted,
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