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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977-02-09 PC Minutes.~ , MINUTES OF THE MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION Fabruary 9, 1y77 /"`,, ~ ' The Mounds View Planning Commission wa~ called to order at the City Hall by its chalrpereon, Barbara Naake, at 7r30 pm on Wednes3ay, February 9, 1977. The following mambers~ were presents Paul i'edor, Don Mackeben, Gerald Foee, RoberL• Glazer, Nancy eurme.ieter and Ba.rbars Haake. Allan Zepper and Phyllie Blanchard were excused. Also preaent weres CouncilmAmbers Haumgartner, Rowley, Hodges, Mayor Piakar and Sieve Roae. M~P to apprcve the minutes of January 12, 1977, ae printed. 6 ayes Me. Haake etated Chat ahe wanted to thank Councilmember eaumgar~ner Eor oarrying the Plenniny Comm'_aeion's raquest on Eo the Council that the Commission opposed the upgracling oE Red Oak Drive. ITFMS FpR CONEIDERT.TION Harve W. Me~ 8raperty nvol~ved: 83%2 Greenwood Dr Minar eubdivieon (one lot into two) Mra. Melby appearad for the applicant. The raqueet ie ko subdivide the 101: 528.07' •• 1U2.51' into two lots, one being 264.09' x 102.51' and the ather being 264.03'x 102.51'. Applicant hae raquested er~ equal eplit which also coincides with the proper.ty l~ne o£ the property to ~~. the north. He hae given a 5' ut111ty eas=ment elong fhe reaz of b~i:h l~te. i~ Alao, ataff recommenda 5' utility ahd drainage eaeemant alonq the nor.th and south property linea because of th~ low grade level of the land. MSP (Fedor-DUrmeieter) to rec~mmend to the Council that they approve the minor eubdlvieon of Harvey W. hlelby, 8372 Greenwood br, creattng two 2ots, ~aah be~ng approximately 2ti4.03 x 102.5Y feet with five Eoot utility and cirainage easementa along the rear lot lines and along the nortti and south lot lines. 6 ayee ~Uean ~L k~ke Property~nvolVed: 2x34 Lumbert avenue Variance (garage eetl~ack from house) Girs. Dean Lykhe appeared for the applicant, ppplicant has mado an application for a building permit• Por an addition to hto home that will raduce the aetback f.rom his hot~se to his garage to four feet. The zoninq code requires eix feet. App2lcant requeats a variance of this setback zequiremant. MSP (FOae-Glazer) to approve tha varixnce roquest of Dean Lykke, 2234 Lambert Avenue for 1' &" so tl:at their qarage wi11 ba 4' 4" f.rom the proposad addition to tha house. He is requirad to meet the building and fi.re ec~~3e r~quiremente. 6 ayee ~ -z- ~-~ Berw n ~7. Chriatensen ~ Propertiy nvo vscT:~ 5091 Edgewood Ur Major eubdivieion (one lot intc 16) Appliaant tiaa submitt~3 a s~:etch proposa~ to aubdivi3e the parcel he livee on into 16 lotej 15 additional buildable lote. He requeste approval of the eketnh plan concept eo he cen proceed to have a preliminary plat drawn up. Steve Rode atated that all lote except the most NC lot will meat frontage and area requiremente. The moat NE lot would have a snbstandard Lrontage of 82' due ta the location af the exieting house, which will be 9' from proposed eubdivieion line. Applicant stated that eventually the exieting older homa will be removed. Ms. Haako aaked if anyone had diacuneed s park dedication with him and Mr. Chriatensan replied that he was aware of this because ho had talked to a contraotor some yaaxe a.go and he had told him thie. Mr. Rose further etated that when tYiey get the preliminary plat they will have acmething to work with and decide how they would route additional sarviceo thraugh thera. He recommended drainage and utility easemente around ev~ry lot because of the tupography of khe area. A atraw vote was taken. All Commiesion membera stated that they would j prabably be willing to go along with the propoaed sketch. ~~µ ~ Ma. Haake atated that the conseneu3 of opinion of the Planning Comndsaion at thia meetinq indicates that the nketch ao presented tonight would ~ be aaceptable wit:i the information we have available this evening. ~ However, there are more recommendati.ons thst tlie C~mmiesion would liko ~ to make with the applicant. ' l. Lots conforming to frontage and area requirementa. 2. 7opographic data requirements. 3, Proposed finish grade p!an. 4. Easementu 5 feet• from all lot lines for utility and drainage purposas will be required. Furlher, appliaent wi1J. be required to aubmit a petition for improvements nocessary to make all lnts developable. This will requi.re the petitioners t~ agree to pay assesament for the services, waive the rigksk of a public hearing and cledicate all additional easements that may be necessary. Vice Chairman The Commfasion voted on a new vice chairma~. Congratulatione to Commissioner pon Mackeben, re-elected vice chairman. , Paul L. Videen Property nvolved: 7831 Silvex Lake Rd •"'~~ DevelopmenE Proposnl (c.omrnercial, light in3ustrial) -3- John Livingeton, Calhoun ~ealty, opoke ae a re~resentative of a yraup --..~ of inveetore who are planninq to build the building and will aa~ As principlea. Applicant has requesked preliminary approval of a commescial industrial devolopment to be located to the aouthaast corner of Silver Lake Rd and Highway 10. The development would i;~ciude a retail motorcycle eales store wit}~ repaii and parts area as well as warehouse area, an electrical contraatore shop and office, and a retail boat eales and repair shop, Mr. Livingetun stated that they have tried to get Mr. Rose's help in telling thenr what they would hava to do in order to conform with the propoaed regulations. They laid out their plan with that in mind ineofar ae setbacks, parking, etc. The eetUacka would provide £or 30 feet of landecaped area along Silvar Lake Hd ae well as the Highwxy 10 area. Hehind the ratail atore i.hey will. have facilities tn atora the crated cyclos. Parking ia in the back and Lno Bringewatte, in addition te these two parcels of land, owns the lana immediately to tbe Eaet which is also zone~ commercial. What tiiey would like to do before going further ie to find out if there are any objections. Mr. Xoae had told him that what he would like to do is have an overall planned unit for this triangle. Further, eventually they would like to put another bulldin~ in with parking to the East where there is low land, which ', ~rould ba compacted and filled. If it cannot be done they would like to find cut tonight so that they can go aome place else. Mr. Livingeton was q~eationed about ~ha mator~ycles and tia stated that th~y ~~ ' arP not building this building for the continued use of Suzuki--they Yiave ~ a signed 5 year lease and it would be ~n that basis ~ ~~~ i Leo Bringewatt etaked that hie son is preaently living in the old i house. Regarding his boat ahop, it wuuld be a new etructure; the exiating f shop presantly there would be torn down. The electrical ehop is an ( entirely aepara~e company. H~wever, for the moment he wouid be using part ( of this st.ructare with the electrical shoT', very much as he ie presently ~ doing, ~ Cour.cilmetnber Baumgartner stated that Chp. 40 was brought up at the ~ aqenda meeting on Mnnday an3 they will paes on 9.t aL the next Council k meeting. 4 Mr. Livingaton stated that they woc].d like to get L•neir gui8~nce as to ; whether in thia form thep can go ahead. ~ Ms. Haake atated that she thought they would have tc~ wait and see as ca ; the legality of which ordinunce they are working under. The request F should be tabled until the next meeti.ng and then look at it under tha new r comprehensive plan. ~ Mr. Livingston romplained that they would be just ~hooting 30 days. ~ Me. Haake stated that she would pol.l the Planning Commission and see but is against qiving an OK tonight with somethinq that isn't the law yat. , Don Mackeben atated that he is not oppoaed to the moturcycle warehoue~.ng ` t~ as such, he doesn't like the exit so close to Highway 10 off Silver Leke Rd. r,,,.,r He also wanted to know how it is going to be developed in the future--he wauld lika Co eoo it all developed xt ona time. if naw zoning ie approved ~ae ahould adhere to it. However, he is not totally opposed with soine changes. _a_ Paul Fedur etated that they are ~~~ lookinq at a warehouse or whnt. allow a cor,unerr,la7. building to li.ke to get soms more opinions. I 1 I i~. ~l ~ ~.~~ ~ ~ on gray ar~a ae to wheCher we are He does not eee any way where we aould be buiit on the property line. He would Mr. Livingaton reolled that the purpose of setting the building whera it is is tu get the 30 foot seti,ack. Mr. Rose said that tho first atep that they will have to taka ia to replat and to go through the lega.l proceas of joining that property. The Planning Commie,sion ahould recommend basicaliy what kind o£ setbaoke he should be looking at. Me. Haake quaetioned the show room and salea af boate, etc. Mr.. Livingaton replied that the retail portion ia mostly parts--the amount• of of£ice apace would be rather emall. Showzoom epace would Ue probably not more than 800 or 90p feet, with regard to f:he electrical company. Ms. fiaake n4ntinued: In the showroom for the cycles thene would be 6500 sq feet• that would include the ehow oounter. The warehouse wae E600 eq feet, electrical ~ahop about 2900 sq feet, 800 - 900 wuuld be ahow room j boat sales and repair would be 4800 aq feet, with the ahowroom a amall part o£ that. At this point, she stated that she felt it would go undar light industrial. Mr. Fedar atated that he felt they could live with this with eome proper setbnoka and a decent lookinq buitdin~. Mr. Glazer atated that with reapect to the adjoining property and overall plan--we wi11 be eatablishing a amall ahipping activity and this can be a key to what ie going to happen further down on Silver Lake Rd and Red Oak Drive. We cannot etop hea~y truck traffic on Highway 10, Uut aomething muat be cione to aseure that we cati keep the tri~eks from Silver Lake Rd. They should come in and of£ Hiqhway 10. Ms. aurmeiater atated that she could live with the concept , but doean't like this buslness out in limbo--would like it all developed as a PUD. Mr. Foes said that he thinks the develcpment fn11e i~zto the category of Highway eusiness District. It ie comp3rable with the new plan as long as provision is made that if neceseary, at a future date, they can develop the roads. He would raEner Qee tyo two cuts ~tay in there. He asked if they plan to remove the houae7 Mr. Livingaton replied that the intent £rom hie own personal viewpoint would be that they could put another building there an~ another building Lo the East, the reet to the soukh and east would become parking. Me. Naake stated tttaS: Mr. ~Livinqston probably has~ 5 CommiRSionera qoing according to his plene. However, she ia a ataunch supporter of the new plan and her interpretation ia tha.t it comes under liqht industrial. She atated that she supporta the comprehensive plan and does not suppost the type of useaye that he is presentinq. Mr.. Livingoton stated that he will go back to the investors and say that they cannot get tlie go ahead. -5- Oetman Home Buildere Proper~y nvo va ~ B415 Red Oek Dz~ve -~, Minor SubdiviBion (one lot into two) Kon Sjc:iin appeared repreoenting Oetman Huildere. Applicant req~eeta to Aubdivide hie 528' x 81' 1ot into two equal 264' x 81' lots with S' drainage and utility eaenments alonq the rear lot linee. Steve xoae atated that the eubdivieion requeeted ie equal and aoincldea with exietinq aubdivisioh l.ines both to the north attd eouth. The preaent lot has exiating home which fronta Red Oek•Dr. There are no setback problome in relation t;o tha new lot wh~.oh will front Sunnyside Rd. Easemente cE 5' alonq the rear of both late have been qiven for drainage and utility purposes. He recommenae that an additional 15' dralnage and utility eaeement ba taken along Red Oak Dr and a 13' drainsyo and utili~y aneement be also taken along 8unnyeide Ad. Counailmember aaumgartner dtated that right aow you have 50 foot lot easemente for Rad Oak pr. You cou2d xdd anothor 8 feat for an additionhi road so you are ta2king dbout a 66 foot oasement fox road purposee and now you want another 7 feet moze. Mr. Roae repliod that that is correct. MS (Mackeben-Foes) to recommend to tha Council the approval of the minor subdiviaion of Ostman Home Buildere, 3415 Red Oak Dr, dividing the parael into t~eo,equal lots 264 x 81 wi~h a 5 foot drainage and utility easement on each lot, as well as a 10 foot drainaga and utility easement on 3urenyside and a 15 foot drainage and utility easement facing Red Oak Jrive. 3 ayas ; Y "~ D1oti~n denied. ~ n$ ~ Bob Glazer then moved Co recomra~nd to t•he ceuncil the approval of tha minor subdivieion of Oatman Homa Buiiders, 8415 Red Oak Dr., dividing the parcel into two equai iota 264 x 81 wi.th a 5 ioot drainage and utility easement on each lot, as well as a 10 foot drainaye and utility easement ou Sunnyeide and an B foot @rainage and utility'easement tacing Red Oai: Orive. Notion fai.led for lack of a aecond. Ms (BUraiel~L•er~Glazsr) 'to recommend to Che Council the ~pproval of the minor subdiviai~n of Ostman Home Builders, 8415 Red Uak ~r., dividing the parcel into two eqtxal lots 264 x 81 with a 5 foot drainaqe and utili*_y easen:unt on each lot, as well as n 10 £oot drainage and utility easement on Suuityside. 3 ayae 3 nays Motion denied. Ms. Haaka ex~isined 'ciiat ah=- agprov_d of the lot eplit bub hae probleme -• with the easement. ~ ~ -6- M8P (Maakeben-FOOS) to raco~n~nd tu the Counail the approval oE the minor ~ eubdivieion of Oetman Home Buildate, 8415 Red oak Dr.e dividng the parcel into two equal lote 264 x 81 with g 5 fooh drain~ge and utility eaeament ' on eaoh lot, ae well ae a x0 Foot drainage and utility easement on 9unnyside and an 8 faoti road euaement and ml~foo~ utility aasement, making a total of 18 feet~ facing Red Oak Drive. d ayee 2 naye Pinecrest ~Pr_~o ~ert~iee~ Property m~oli ved: - Approx 2245 Hiqhway LO Devglopment Prop~sal (c~mmercial, light induetrial, HD Residential) Three men waca ~~reoent regreaenting Pinecreat Properties. Wm. Beim fr.om Heim Conetruction Company, Sam Poppletor. o£ Development Concept CorporaUion, and Stalios As].anidis, Froaident Urban Planninq and Deaign. Mr. Eeim began tha prasantations How do we plan to develop the area7 WA had to change our piana when the neN plan wae adopted. 53 acres is a lot a£ commer.cial--we don't think it ahould all be co~mnercial,,juat the front gortion. Hob Bablatt and Aeaociates trie8 tc interest peo~le 1iy~ Targat, K-Mart, etc,a I tried to interoot inaurance group~, all to no avail. So we hired some profesaionals to ask them what they thou9ht ~, and thie ia th~ plan that resulted. He introduced Sam Popplaton of ~ Uevelopment Concept Corporation. Mr. Poppleton: Our conclusion io that the beeti use of thia property ia a buninosa diotricL. we have a spec:trum of uses from motal to £ood to aervica to office, warehouse, etc. It invites much varied activitiea in a controlled planned type .~f environment. The back parcel Would be ' the least ut111zed so they could utilize it at an earlier date with hou~ing. The center ci.ties are giving this away, so it is a rug~ed buainesa. On commercial-retail thie community is well served. There is a].so a prableni becaus~ there are pepulatiun voids. It dnea hava the virtue:~ oE aaaeanability and viaibility. The sltarnative is general buainass. There is a shartaqe of general businesa her~,. Further, sites tha~ du have deQkh have to be kaoiaght ae a whole parcel--so what could ~o o2fered here? In this desig~ ~~f thie the road syF~am ia a lSt~kayt.+ of the uses, if providee windows into tho eitea. The key .ia the dixect and viaible access. Jack Anderson, a commercial engt.ne9r, analyzed that it be pulled back to exceed Y1ie recommended stanclards. Mr. Ae;.anidis: atated that thia ring road will open up and unify. He elaboraked on tha phaaea. He atated also that their intention , with the land acaping~ maintenance, dasign, is to rainforce the ic~,entity thati ir, is a businase communi~y with distittct charactar. Ms. [iaake commended them on the report with the ring road typa of concept and aeked for cormnents. ,`~ ~ ,%""1 Mayor Picksr asked if he hnd met with the State Hlghway Departmeni ~ and Mr. Aslanidis replied yas, end they said tliey would be amend- ' able to it if we could demonstrate the need for it. Ms. Hask9 asked if tho signalized interchsnge might not Ua betS.or placed using ihe exiating platted Reymond Avenue north of Hfghway 10, Then Raymond Avenue could be extended south of Higkway 10 aerving that properCy elso. Does the souYh exit to Highway 10 mcrked Phase Z line up wlth l.ho already platLad Raymond Avenue? Mr, Papplaton stated that Chey were advised by their own enginaer that we would fara betiter with the longor distances. Howavar, they wou7.d cartafnly agree wiih her on that. Mr. Aslanidis emphasiaed that this was not a preliminary plat r~nd this area definitely coicides. Planning Commission member asked if the State wns agreeable for an access into it or a cut across. Mr. Aslanidis replied, "A cut across". Planning Commiasion mamber askad if two exisxs were needed alone Highway 10? Mr. Poppleton stated that they do have a need to get to the back o£ the site. Otherwise you wlnd up with a strlp and a back yard. In other davalopments, they had to grow fram the ~ insida. 6fr. Glazer statad that this type df plan has bean successEul for cities haviag gopula2lons betwean SO,OOC and 75,D00. T~ this a realistic plan; what would be your estimate on R.he total time to detrAlop it7 Mr. Popplaton raplied probably 6-8 years. This does not go very fast. Ms. Haake stnted that you are coming horeto see whera that sig- nalized intessection wi7.1 ba--do you want any views on tha over- all? Cauncilmen Baumgar+ner asked regardinq 2he ~aorth, during their del3beratior.s, did yau think of a town housa dovelupment7 Mr. Popplaton indicated thse they ware adv3sad against owner operatad housing for tha same reason the comprehensive plan did, They toak a marketing v3ew of it--tlie roots of the apartmant scheme is economic. Look at the hol3in~ cost of the land. It is not pru- dent to hold it forevar. Apartments can be daveloped earlier than tha commercial. The big pressura on tha land is tfie holding ccsts will be excessive if it doesn~t gat going. Mr. Pedar asked wh3.ch phase tlie apartments w~re in und Mr. Poppl?ton , raplied that thay would ba as soon as possibie. ~./ i - 8 - Ms. Neake stated that Lhe apartment development would be the one -, thing we wou]d have the mnst apposition to in this plun. PSanning C~mmission member asked if all tha curb cuts alang County Rnad H2 were necessary7 Mr. Aslanidis seexed that they could reduce the curb cuts down eo ~ 1E nacessary to accommoduta tha City. Mr. PoppYeton said that what thay are selling is location--they needed some other scheme to penetrate back of the site at an early phase. If some substantial buyer wants tha freeway axpbsure--fine, The intsnts are baing met, but this ona bost meets the needs, the ends serva both es well. If we can soive the traffic idea than the ldea will stay alive long enough to argue about the apartments. Mr. Rose said that the number of curb cuts is not. the important tl~ing. They are maro or less a conveniece. Tl~ey~re possibly pro- posing something lass with regard to traffic than in tha District S plan. 'The develaper should furnish tha City with traffic impact statistics of the mult3ple dwellings on the immediate area. p3anning Commission me~rber asked how many apariment units were planned along County Road H24 Mr. Poppleton said that thay have room for about 160 apartment units. Mr. Beim stated that the reA3on that we are hora is becausa he ; didn't wanC the Council to pass a razoni.ng ordinance without .---, knovring their plans for th3.s area. They do need the signalized ~ interchange, and could they get a recommondation from the Planning ;~.,J Commission that the City would support them in theix efforts to i geC the cross over. ~ Mr. Foss said tha*. the concept is well thought out, ~nd ho would ~ go along with most of it. He faels that th~ signnlized intor- change should be located at the Raymond Avenue exit. ( M3. Burmaistar said ~;Ilae she goa~ along with it. Mr. Glazar said I that the basic plaR is fino. It is OA if it matarializes. Mr. Fedor said thax it is a real good plan. He quastions the phasing of it however. Part of the apartmen't land should be scheduled into a ghase 7, or 3, so we could be mora assured that this is actuslly going.to come up the way it is being planned hare. Mr. Mnckehen said that from u traffic pattern standpoint it is much better to hava a cut whEi•e they hava prosontod it. I£ :•re can obtain a quality commercial develorment in there, we should certainly back t:ium to obtain this cut. He is concarned, h~w~ver, about the donsity with ragard to apartments. There would ba quite an influx into the school up theze as well. Mr. Gelzar askad what type of units will Lhey build, and hir. Popplaton replied that tliay ~oui3 be somewhat above Scutland Greon. -! ~ ~,~~~ .. ~ -s- Ms. Nsuka statad that more discussion will have to be lield about Lhe apartments. I endorse the cub cuts and the roads--very goc~. ""~" She suggested the signalized intorsection be tha south rather than the north one to cross into the Herbst property--e:tther one she would endorse, i~owever. Now this matCer will go on to the Council. Mr. Poppleton stated that they aro csking that the City jni.n with tham in seeking that access (signalized intersection). Council member Baumgartner stated that Munday is the rogular Council meeting, We could make a motion to endorse those cuts at thet time. , Mayor Picker statad that bocause this is a Planning Commission ' me~eting rather Chan a Counci], meeting, it would be in3pproFriaCa for the Ccuncil iu tako a positiorr at this timo. It could be arra.ngod to place the d~evelopment proposal on the agenda o£ the Gouncil for the next regulr~rly scheduled meating. At that time the Council could give direction to the Northcreat Development proposa7.. Ms. Haake stated that there are six here that ro~ommend that it go on to the Counail. We endorse the road pian_as presented tonighe ' f~~.i, , CaVpCI'8LG W1W1 Glltl 6GVC1VNtlf"3 I.V XV ~~~ ~~ ~~~o o~a~c ava ~yavrwi~ -~~ Purther, wherever the curb cut would be in the Northcrast Park area, it wou2d be advantageous if it could bo placad whero it could also, .,J be usad by the Narbst property. This would profit both. Me~,ting adjourned at 30;45 PM. 'tespectfully submitted, ~ Judy Swanholm Recording Secretary ~~,~ .~.~~ ~ ; . ~.: ., _ _ . , ~ ,. . . , ,. , ~ ,