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Home My WebLink About1977-05-11 PC Minutes:~li: .(~., . ~ .~4 ~ . "~+~°' MINllTBS OP THB MOUNDS VIBW PLANNING COMMISSION MAY 11, 1977 'The Moun3s View PZanning Commtssion was celled to order at the ' City Hall by its Chairperson, Harbara Haake, at 7:~1 PM on Wed- nasday , blay ll., 1977. T:io following members were presant: Don Mackeben, Paul Fedor, Robert Glazor, Barbart~..Haake, Nancy Burmeiatar, P1yllfs Hlanchard, Gerald Foss e~id Allen Zepper. Also present ware Councilmamber Roger Baumgartner and Hngine9r Charles Hubbard. MSP to epprove the minutes of April 13, 1977 as road. , ITHMS POR CONSIDL'RATION MSF (2epper-Mackobon) to put item 6 on the agendu as itam 1. 8 Ayes r'~"~ Off Stxoet Parking Raguirements '~ur~ R.aview existing cnde for possible amendments Set Public Hearing ifi necessary. A discussiun wes hold regarding racreation vehiclas parked in the front yard. A citizen ststed that motor hom.-s ero generally 19 faet and weigh more than a ton. , A citizen who works in a motor home dealership stated that motor homes are butlt on a ih to 2 tott chasis. The rasults of the Mounds View survey wera requested. Ms Haake siated that ihey had 132 responses and 92 were owners. Sha felt that no key weight could be put on the questionnaire. Of thes; 82 owners, 80 indicated that chay always parked in the front or sida yard, 9 indiceted they ~~id not. 18 did 3nd3tate that e parmit should be obtainQd in order to park within a naighbor's view. Council member Baumgartnez stated that whst must be lookad for: Lho dafiniilon uf a rncrsaxi.onrsl udhicle; the dcfinition of a commercial vohicle; and parking in front yards and coxner lo~ parking. He also statad they could "cap~~ out and ask fihat tha Council have the pub2ic hemring. ~ , I ~ ,.....;:r ~...~z.~e,,......, .. ,~..,;:..~~>.rr•,,... : ~ Paul Fodor stated thoy hsd a meeting wiLh the Council snd tha Planning Commission and discussed recreational vehicles. At that time, they decided they cuuid perk them in ihe front yard, and hoped in the winter tY.ey would store them. Ms Haake then statod they will have to get a Jofinition, and thinks tney wiil have to have anotlaer session to have something go to the Council. Possibly thoy will have a planning session and the people can sit ead listen to the~ :.ork it out~ They have had input, but it has bean rather onesided. Ms Naaka gsvo tho peopl~ presenC until 8;15 to further discuss the matter. A citizen stated that on commercial vehicles there should be a grand£athor r.lauso. His neighbor got a permit to put in a driveway to handle the truck, and now they aro telling him ha cannot park it thera. Na hes been parking there since 1952. He requested the Planning Commission find out tivhy the Villega issue3 this permit for this spec~al drivaway. Ms Haake stated she £elt they shouid come up with snmething alse to pass on t~ the Council. Sho did not feal that an actual public hasring ~,~as going to do much. If penp19 are wanted on tha other sida, let us really "~irum up publicity'~. MSP (Surmaister-Dlanchard) that we have a working hesring whenever we can come up with a date, Tha peopla can come and ~~ listen if they Iike. It was sat for M~y 25 at 8:00 PM. Commission Foss stated thore would be a public hearing anyhow by ehe Councti befnre the ordinance would be changed. Donuld P S~ach Property involved: 2'l45 Oekwood Drivo Variance (locate garage 2'.from property lino) Enginear Hubbard explaine3 the applicant requests tu buiiding an addition to liis homa and garage which would place the garago addition two feet from his wast property line. Appiicent~s lot is 75' wide. He prasently has approximately 11' of sideyard to the east and 10~ of sicleysrd to *..he west, which is his garage side. The hnuse loae.ted wast of applteant's property has approxi^ mateiy 15' setbnck batween tha wast naighbor's hause aad the applicant~s garage. Applicant's homo is 22~ x 30', garaga is 14' x 20' with a L~'aezowuy attechment of 8~ x 1Q~. Mr Beach stated that the variance is far the gsrage, bscause thst ±s y:ItFl:'9 1~c: n~~ads tha room, but is also en 11' x 22' addition to the house. Ha is positive tliat ho vri22 nt+t he building on, his neighbor's proper~y as this has been checker~, Further, he has his neighbor's written permission. ~ MSP (Blanchard-2epper) to recommend to the Cuuncil approval of the +iariance for ponald F Beach, 2265 Oakwood Drive, of three faet far the ga*aga.. 8 Ayes ~ ,. ~~'-~ edker H Cherriar ,~~,,,,1 Property ittvalved: 5497 Adams Street Zoning appeal irepair garage use in a H-1/B-2 zoning) Mr Hubbard statad the appiicant x•equosb tu rant existing property for a repair garsge use in a D-1;B-2 zoning, 'Che Comprehensive Plan addresses this location as "neighborhood commexcial". The existing bul.iding is lor.atad on the coriiar of County Road I and Adams Straet. The building has two 12' overhead garago doors. It is 24' x 48~, and appllcabte for the requasted use with modifications. Mr Cherriar stated he has had quiCe a few reque,ts to puC in a repair garage. The gas station has ~oen tharo for a numtex of years, and they do not use their repair garage. Tliere is plenty of purking. This would be strictly for auto repair by a renter. Ms Haaka stated if it is go3ng to bo a rapair garaga, the+re has to be soma rezoning. Mr Cherrier said they have the overh9ad doors and nobody wants to rent it as a stora Fi8C8U59 of these doors. Ms Burmeister stated that the only way to go is to have a razoning. Mr Cherrier said last summar thera was a repair busi- ~ ness in there. The awners had thoir Lruck in and sprayed the j ceilings. `~_ Ms Haake asked; Do we fael that we made a misjudgement when we wrote E-1; would be like to include rapair gerages under that definiYion? Uon Mackeben stated repair garages do not bolong in a B-1 clas- sification. If we are going to look at this we should rezone, but not as an appeal, tdr Foss indicat~d they should take into consideration this garage abuts a gas sL•ation. It is surrounded by other cummgrical type things. It is really not residential right in there, Mr Ma~keban stated }ie agreed with that, so it possible should be reaoned. MSF (tAackeben-HaakA) that wa deny the request of Bdker fl Cherrier, 5497 Adams 5Croet, for the appeal of interpretation of a r3pair garage as elassified in B-2 zoning, 2 Nays 4 Ayes 1 Abst Ms Haake statod when the Planning Commission denies the appli- cant, ha has every right to go before tho Council within fi0 days. ., /'~~ H B Gustafson ~~„~,/ Property involved: 7664 Greonfield Avenue Variance (parking requirament and side yard setback) Bnginoer Hubbard gtated t1:e applicant is requesting appror•al of plot plan and development proposal £or an office building devalopment (B-1). Tho proposal as presentad requiras two variances oF parking and setback requiroments. The offica building is to be 32' x 58' and lk stories. Parking spaces required would be 22, and applicant has provided for 20. The bui~.ding maets nll setback requirements, an~ parking lot meets all setback requirements excapt far alonq the wast property lines. A 4' redwaad £ence is provided to 'screAn the laundry/ Tom Thumb parking lot. A 6' rodwood fence is provided elong the south lino to screen ~he R°1 development. MSP (Haake-Aedor) to racommen3 to the Council appraval of the plan as presented to us with the following variances: six pRrking spaces from the requirad 22 to 16; 3' varianr_e on the west side of tha property lino to allow parking within 2' of ihe lotline. The variance ef the six parking places is to provide for ib' of grean ara~ from the street riglrt of way along County Road I. This plan also has to be in accor3ance with our Ordinnnca M40.07, Subd d(8)0, rogarding curbing and landscaping. 8 ,Ayes f f Fred 0'Nenl 4y l~ ~~~ property'involved: 2500 Highwa 10 Developmant proposal (B-2 F, R-2~ DeWayne C Olson of Consulting Hngineexs, Inc ~ppeared ior Mr 0'NeaZ. A sketch plan was submitted prior to the preliminary plat. The property is triangular in shape, lying betw6en Long Lake Road, County Roa3 H2 and Highway 10, comprising approximately 23.8 acres. It is bounded on tha south by single family resi-, dentzal proporty on the opposite side of County Road H2, on the east by Donatalle~s 5upper Club, on the west by Scotland Green AparLmanCs anL on the north (across Hwy 10) by a servica station and the tdounds View Civic Center. 'Cho proposul includes 20 iots proposed for R-2 or duplexes in the southern portion, witli 9 lots proposed for B-2 or limitad businsss located along H9ghway 10 and abutting Donatolles. Lot il of Block 1 is intended to be suld to DmtaLall~'s to alleviate un existing parking problem. The entire wooded aroa is located upon ntable soil and is p;ro- posed for duplex or double bungalow construction witl~ the excap- tion of Highway 1U frontage. Lots 23, 24 and 25 of B7.ock 1, and Lot 1 a£ ~lock 2 wAll require a substantial amount of soils work in ordar to ba buildable. 9'he westorn end of Black 1, in the , exist:ng swamp, will provide space for a sedimentation pond and retent±on 6asin for st~rm watQSS frnm this area and tlv~ tributary ~ area north o£ the highway. This would enable them to pruvide a treatad storm waeor aff.luent Yo the ditch on the wast side of Long Luko Road. ~ Commissioner Glazer stated he would like to see Lot.s 23, 24 and 25 of Block 1 be B-I, neigitborhood commercial as a higher zoning classification would sot a precedent ~f commercial developmenC on Long Lake Road. Also, ha wantad to see B-1 adjacent to Lots 21 and 22 of Block 1 which would ba zoned R-2. Mr Olson agraed to thesa changes. 61r Olson further stated they want to find out if the Planning Commission is agreeable to something along this line before they do anything about it formally. Ms HAake preEaced hor motion by stating they did sugge~t medium dansity and PUD fox• xhat. MSP (Haake-Feder) that we would requast the developar ta start his plat procedures and ask F.or rezoning of some uf the parcals from the presoni. B-1 zoning to R-2 and B-2 in accordenae with liis 'sketch plan which he presentad tonite. tiAyes 2 Abst Commissioner Glazar stated he nbstained because of a g~narnl Uis- satis£action over commercial zoning on Long Laka Road. Commissioner Zepper stxted he abstained .because' the only way trucks can deliver anything would be to go through tha rasidential ~f"'~ area. E~r,a„~ K 7' Hurstad Propexty involved: 9400 Groveland Major subdivision (cul-do-sac 14 l~ts) Bttgineer Hubbard stated the applicant has submitted pralitninary p]at for approval crf 14'lots fronting both Groveland Straet and Fairchild Avonue with a cul-da-sac entaring L•he propertp f'rom the wast off of Groveland. AlI lots cunEorm tc coda nrea, requirements b~~t Lots 1, 3, 10 and 12 w;iich do not meeC Erontage requirements or will present building setback problems. Ms Haake asked Mr Harstad if he would consider pla2ting 13 lots in,xead ~f 14, so a7.1 lots would moet frontage rr~quirements. Mr Harskad state3 if he didn't hat•e 14 lo2s, he couldn't affor.d the pu~lic impravements necessery for #lie cul-de-sac lots. MSP (Glazar-Blanchurd) we recommand to the Couucil that thay apprvva Liie i•e~tur~st ui K T-Saratnd, 8400 ~rei~elsnd fnr a mAjnr su~division as presented on the April 14, 1977 piat allowing s variance on Lots 3 a~id 12 - I~ot 3 requirir~g a 5~ variance, nnd Lot 12 a S' setback varianca. 6 Ayes ~ Z Nays _ . . .. ........... ~~,z, .~ . ._, _ ... ,.. ;,;.. ,,.: .. _ ~.,r., ,,~ .. ~ ~ Willard Haro 3048 Courtty Road H2 Minor Subd~vision (one lot into two) Enginaer Hubbard stated it was an oversight they were not on the agenda. Their request is for a minor'subdivision of an L-shapod lot on County Raad H2 and the extentian of Pleasant View DriVe. The north lot would be 104.zG~ x 2Q0.07'. The south lot which r~ould Erant on extended Pleasant Viaw Driva would be 438' x 1.08.58' which would leave the south lot landlocked until PSeasanL View Uriva was extended. Commissioner Zepper left et 10a43 PM. MSP (Haake•Foss} recommend the Cou~tcil approvo the minor eub- division for Wi2iard Haro at 3U46 ~ounty Road H2, makiag a lot 104,28' x 200.Q7', and anuther lot of 208.Sfl' x 4~8'. This racom- mendation being Fc~rwarded on to the Couacil should be accompanied by a full staff report on this minor subdivision. 4 Ayes 3 Nays Commissinner FedoY felt that the sbnve item should be tabled and find out the thoughts un tha road from Fridley, Commiss3oner Burmaister was in agreement with th3s and Eurther stated thac ,.~+~ she is not opposed to the lots, but since ataff did not process l 3 this and'we hnve no input, she did nnt £ea], queiified to make ~~.s~ any judgement. Red Oak Drive Discuss policy cnncarning possible interchange at County Road J Jim Bangstrom and Pag Mountain ropreaented the Mounds View Citi- zens Group and read their statement to tffe Planning Commission, which was put into tha Red Oak file. They continued and stated that bfinnesota UOT's timetable ca11s for threa routes to cume up wlth ona f3n~I one. Thia wili be iaputted ~1nto tha envixonmental statemant. Tiietr intantion iy to Qe4 the Planning C~mmi~sion and Council's support and cooperation. They feal the Council must taka a definita decision in this maCtar es thay feei this inter- chanae wili.hurt Mounda View tremendouely. MSP (Heake-Glazer) that we recommend the Councii reafFirm the ststement tHat was msde in ouN adopted Comprehensive Plan Incated on Page 74 which reada ee follows: "Uistrict 5... the mnjor issue confrontin$ thia Dis4rlct is the potentiel upgrading of Red Oak Driva 2o arCerial statua. Should this occur, t,he neighbor- hood would be fraamented es a rosult of th9 increasr,d traf.fic valume on Aed Osk Drive. Sasod upan Che naighborhuod fragmenta- tion which would result, the City should discourage the conseruction ~ « ~ of un interchnnge in Blaine of new Highway 10 with Red Oak extended and the uccompanying upgradir~g uE Red Oak Drivo." 7 Ayss hls Mountain stated the decision on ane of those possibilitles is this month. They want new Highway 10, but ut tho same time they do not wnnt to discourage constructiort of it~ they want to discourage th~ impact of the intorchange on the C~ty. If the Counci] wi7.1 make a definite stand a~: tc. the adverse affects it will bring to tha community. With an interchanga along Hwy 10, we will end up with pressuro to ana of our roads, Any road thst runs north of Old Hwy 10 cou2d realize a pressure of being extended throu~h to New Hwy 10. The drawing showa3 an inter- chunge at proposed Rod Oak Drive had axtended, evan if we were not hooked up to it, the pr~ssure would be too great. One sug- gestion was to have t7ie interchange at Highways 10 and 65, end bring back a sorvice road to their industriel land. The "do nothin~" rouCe moans wo chnnge d3rection. Two documents were handed in to be put in the Red Oek Eile: (1) Mounds View Citizens' Graup and Our Goa2s and (2) tha state- mar.t that was read to tha Plenning Commission. Mx• Derg~trom stated if they could get the3r support, they will go to tha other Councils and do whatavar they have to do Lo ~ a~compllsh tha goalc. Ms Mountai.n spoke to Councilmember Baumgartnor as follows: the Council can object to what it will do to our community, if ynu aro ha»ing problems otherwiae. Commissioner Mackeben askad if there were any advantages to having that intsrchange up there7 Por exemple, to those south of Hwy 1U who want tn go up north on the wenkends. We could attempt to be good naighbors and sao if it wnuld be beneficial to .Bridley. Ms Burmeister moved to recommand to the Council that they con- si.der all the ramifications of any interchange located in Blaine on New Hwp 7.0 es ~t relates to Mounds View, We would suggest an interchange possibly located at the area where 65 and New Hwy 10 would intorcapt, with a frontage road back to the east into Blain9's industrisl/business area. This mntion was secondad by Commiss3oner Pedox. Commissioner Gluzer moved to amend tha abova motion as follows: recommend to Counc3l that they join tha citizens~ task f~rce in opposition to tha ~unatructior a: ar.y ir.terchen~a in Blaine bet.v:ean Hwy,65 and 35W, because of its long-range ramifications. The amendment waa secondnd by Commissianer Hnake and carried. 7 Ayes A vote was taken on the main notion es emended. 7 Ayes \../ Meeting adjouxned ae 12:00 midnight. RespactEully submlited, Recording sacretary