HomeMy WebLinkAbout1979-03-14 PC MinutesPROCEEDIN03 OF THE PLANNING COMMTSSION
~"1 CITY OF t40UND5 VIEkJ
RAMSEY C~UNTY, MINNESOTA
A rogulaY muetSng of the Mounda View Planning Commiaeion war~ called to
ozd~r by Chairperson Haake at 7:55 PM on Dlarch 14, 1479 at the Mounds
Viaw City liall, 2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112.
Membere Preeent:
Chairpereon Haoke
Commiaeion t4ember Blanchard
Commiaeion Member Burmeister
Commieeion Member Fedor
Commieeion Member Free!nore
Commiesion Member Glazer
Commieaion MP~ber Goebel.
Commiseion DSember Quac~ ,
Also Present:
Building and Zoning Official Roee
Chttirp~reon liaake stated that Commission Member Fosa was attending a bnaineas
meeting and would not be able f:o att~nd the. Planning Cocmniseion meeting.
Councilmember rorelund excused heraelf to attend a spzcial Counail meeting.
~~ airperson Naake aske3 that the minutea of Che February 28, 1979 meeting
~~e carrected on page 4, eighch paragraph, to read that the aiinor eubdiviaion
ordinance allowing a 75' 1ot size in a hazdeh~.p situation be repealed,
She also asked thet the fifth paragraph on page 6 be changed to read Chat
they did not raant to se.e a regional aervice center.
M3P (Goebel-Burmeister) to approve the minutes of the Febraary 28, 1979
meeting as correated, 7 ayeo
1 abatain
MSP (Goebel-Burmeister) to xescind the prev3oua action taken and that the
Council not reinstate Che old zoning code provisions as Chapter 40.06
Subdiviaion H (4). 6 ayes
2 nays
Chaiti:person Haal:e stated she had vatPd against the mr~t:Lon as ehe felt 160'
lota ahould be allowed to be divided into two equal lc~ts in minor autadivi-
aions as they had been f~r L•he paet 20 yPars,
MSP (BlanchArd-Pr2emore) co recounuend to the Councii that they deleCe fron
the present or.dinance that 75' lots be allowed, under Ghapter k0.06, Suh-
division B (3). 8 ayee
.TAM~S C. bIRCH - 2415 C01;NTY ROAD I- REZONING REQUEST
Birch explained that he had origiually come in to requeat a duplsx
c~"~evelopment but had changed hiu mind to a four plex and would like the
Commieaion'e cotmnenta on his plan. He stated that the property involved
rigr~n ia, 1979
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~ locakad at the corner ~f £dgawood and Gouney Aoad L. Mr. Birch outlinpd
the Planning Commiesion how ha would li.ke ta daveiop the lot.
Off.icial Roee raco~mnendad that the Planning Commieeiou fir~t discues the
density and zoning, and that th6 drainage would be diacueaed and eny
probleme eolved baiore the dnvelopmsnt ~rae approved,
Commissiott Member Fedor etated he did not feel the faur plex ehould be
allowed sa the zoning chenge would open up the whole area ta townhouees,
and thet townhouses have been deni.ed in that area in the past. He sddad
thet the raet of L•he aren waa R-1,
Official Rose drew a sketch of the area an3 ehowed the present zonings,
Commiesion Membat Quan state3 he could not approve Che pl.an ~with the amount
oE impervious surface.
Cozumieeion Member Goebel questioned ehe square foota~a requi.r.ementa f.ax
a townhouse or Eour ~lex. Mr. Birch replied that if the Planning Gou~i.esion
did not feel a:our nlex was wrorkab2e, he would 1•lke them to coneider
rezoning Eor a duplex.
Chairperson Haake polled the Commission to see if they approved a four plex.
The 3ecision was unanimous witii all membere stating they were againet a
four p1ex.
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~ ;. Birch asked the Planning Co~iseion to conaider his original plan for
`~ci' duplex.
OfEicial Rose revl,zwed ehat plan and Chairperaon Haake again polled the
Commi.sef.on for their opi.nion.
Cou~iesion Member Blanchard stated that ahe Eelt the R-2 zoning would fit
into the area.
Commission Member Burmeister atated she had no problem with the rcezoning
but that she di3 see a problem with the curb cuts and recommended they be
brought out tu Edgewood when Che etreet was put in.
Commiasion Member Glazer atai:ed he had a pr.oblem with the R-2 zoning and '
that ~uet because there was alzeady R-2 in the area did noC meen that ~
everything should be changed to R-Z. He added that he would like to see
the lot remain at R-1.
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Commission Member Fedor staeed Chat he was concerned i~ the mittimum square {
fooeage requiraments would be met with the propoaed building plan and stated
that he would pref~r seeing 3t stay R-1.
Commi.asion Member Freemore ataCed that he did not have a problem with the
R-2 zoning,
, mmieaion Member Goebel etated thaC he would prefer seeing the land etay
,) R•-1, and pointed out thar. there would be .a problem with increased
~Eiaffic nnCO County Road I. Ne also pointed out thnt ehe aran in back oE
tha lot is R-1.
March 14, 1979
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~~ T,~adtng, 5049 Long View Drive asked how the five year etorm aewer
tormination wae made. Official Roee replied chat it waa 3etermincd
irom the Baniskar, Short, Ellioet and Handrickeon report, from Map ~k2
of the exieting eystem,
Warren Harold, 7730 Greenwood seated that he did not feel anymore dxainage
was needad towurd County Road I.
Commiesion Membsr Goebel pointed out that the pr.opoeed structure ia not
any dif£erent in eize from a eingle family home and atated thaC tha
diacuaeion wae concerning rezoning from R-1 Co R-2, Chairpereott Haake
added that the drainage iseu~e would be addreeatd leter.
Chairperson Haake stated that she felt the R-2 development would not
er~cr~ach on the R-1 homea end painted out that tE~ere were already aeveral
R-2 zoninga in the immediate neighborhood. She added that it would provide
a good bufEer,
Peg Mountain, 8287 Red Oak Dri.ve atated that she felt the R-2 zoning would
provtde a tifce transition fr.om the R-1. She ad9ed that in the futuxe,
people will be looking aC more common walls as an anergy cdnservation feature
MS (Glazer-Fador) to recommend to the Council that
requesL• of Jamea C. Birclt ta rezone the property at
from R-1 to R-2, Che reason being that there hae no
ed to do it or that building an R-1 house on that
~saleable.
they deny the rezoning
2415 County Road I
been a demonetrated
~roperty would be
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4 neys
t4SD (Surmeieter-Blanchard) to recuimnencl to the Council approval o£ the
rezoning from R-1 to R-2. However, when the time comea to have the layout
}resented, if Edgewaod does go through, the driveway or curb cuts must
be put onto Edgewood and drainage geared to go onto future Edgewood
Drive. 2 ayes
6 nays
Commission Member IIlanchard stated due to increasing costs an3 keeping in
mind reco~aendatione fzom the Met Couneil., multiple housing will be a wny
of. life in the EuCure.
Cocmniasi.on Member G~ebel pointed out that the residential area of Mounds
View ia appr.oximately 90 percent deveioped already and that the coat of
living has not chanbad ths~t drflsY.ically versus income. He added that he
has not seen a demonetsuted need for the rezoning and pointed out that
Mr. Birch kn~:w it was R-1 property.
Comnisaion Membar Burmeieter pointed out that the J.ot is 147' wide, whicli
ie extremely large for a eingle family nome. Commission Member Fedor
replied that other R-1 Lots in the neighborhood are that large.
Chairpereon Fiaake stated that she still felt R-2 wus the best zoning,
naidering the netghborhood and the busy atreet. Cou¢nission Member Goebel
'~ 'ated that hQ did not agre¢ that it would ~rovide a good buffer and
`~ated that he did not f.eel the additional traffic ~aas needed on Gounty
Road I.
MS (Haake-Blanchard) to recommeud to the Council that they rezane the
property from R-1 to R-2. 4 ayes
4 nays
March 14; 1979
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~P (Burme~ster-Quan) to send Che rezaning raquest onto the Council and
ve th~n read over the previoue motiona and discusnion. 6 ayea
2 nays
Commiselon Member Goebal etated he felt it would be UeCter to waie until
the next meeting when all members were pxeaent, since there could not
be a split vote then.
THE TOWN COMPANIES - MAJOR SUBDIVISSON
Of£icial Rose explaitted that in going over Che original plen of Che Town
Companiea, Staff had found probleme in euch areas ae parking spacee,
drainege and access and that the developer had drawn up a new plan ta
address those problems, and that Staff would be doing a report on the
new applicakion and will present it at the next meeCing, but that ~he
app.~icentu would like ro get aome direction frum the Planning Commiesion
hOW.
Tom Budzynski and John Mathern inY.roduced themselve9 ae representatives of
the Town Companies. Mr. Mathern explained that thev would like direction
from the Planning Commiasion and presettted the revised plan for, five office
buildings nnd outlined how they planned to develop and explained that they
would be doing the buildinge in stages.
~hairpereon Haake asked if the develop2rs were aware of the water problems
1 Mounds View and asked if they would be wilric~g to develop only four
"~Guildinga and make tha f3fth area into a wate.r retention area. Mr. Budzynski
replied that he had already discussed thaC with OfEicial Roee and that since
they would be building as they go, they could provide an-site retention.
Co~niesion Me~ber Clszer asked what the anticipated clientel was. Mr.
Mathern replled that the Town Companies would be occupying the first build-
ing and that the tenante would be kept first nlase and that they would
cater to profeesionals.
Chairperaon ICaake pointed out that the applicanta have pr~ven they can do
a very good ~ob and Chat they do what they say they will, Uased on Cheir
paet year in the City.
Commission Member Quan stated thet the area in question is awampy and will
requira a good deal of space for retention. Mr. t4athern replied that it
is the ad~acent property which ia awampy. H~ added that ehAy will cooperate
with StafE and the City to pro•aide temporary on-aite retention.
r,ormniasion Membex Goebel atated that he wao concerned with getting more
water in the grouad on-sil•e rather than letti.ng it move downatream. He
added that the applicante should consider it long range and perhaps even
a pexwanent facility. He added that they oould possibly use green apace
to break uQ the ponding areas.
i' c. Budzynski expla~ned that ette parking problem Atema from the number of
~~nrkinq s~aces ttiat are required by Mounde View or.dinance, and that the
original plan would have allowed more green space, wh~ch ia sandy ar.d
would absorb water, but that they had to revise it to meet the ordinsnce,
March 14, 1474 page 5
~wniesion Memoer nurmeiscer ni,ate3 that st:E falt Eive bu±ldir.es rre-e tee
ny far the area, and that if one building wes elimitiated, it would halp
che problems conniderably, euch as the road and par?tin:g lot.
Commiesion Member Freemore asked if any consideration had been given to
suepended buildiexga, with parking underneath, Mr. Budzynski replied that
they would be very expeneive and not asthetically pleasing.
Commiesion Member Glazer expreseed coucern uver the futura market and who
the tenante might be,
Chairpereon Hanke puinted out that the applican~s are meeting the code
requirements, even with EiNe buildings. She aloo pointed uut that the
B-3 zoning would eliminate the undedirable tenants.
Commiaeion Member Quan lef.t the meeting at this tiwe.
Gor~miesion Member Durmeister staCed that she felt having the entrance on
Silver Lake Road would create atacking problema. Mr. B~±deynski replied
that there ia a choice between Silver Lake Road and Highcaay 10 and that
they wuuld peraonelly prefer. Iiighway 10.
Chairperson Haake aCated that ahe felt the pl.an was good and aeked that
drainage problems be addreased beEore the next meeting.
i'~.~mmiasion Member Fedor pointed out that the appli.cants should realize
~ at n city-wide sto•rm aewer systam is moat likely aeveral yenra off,
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Co~issioh Member Goebe7. stated r(1at the lot does not provide a drainage.
problem presently and that ir. takes the water as quiclcly as it comea in.
He reco~ended t~at the applicante address getting the water into the
ground as clasely es poesib2e to where it comes from and that they not
allow the water to move any further than absolutely neceaeary. He also
reco~uended Chat zhe anow removal problems be addressed.
Chairperson Haake asked if the Fi.re Chie~ was in a~reement with the
enCrnnce platt. OfPicial Rase replied that he has not revie•aed it yet 6ut
that• the access of£ Silver Lake Road would be adequate but if there was
only one acceao off Highway 10, il would pose a problem.
Commiasion Member Goebel stated ehat due co how busy the etreet ie, to:o
entrapces might be best, he also expresaed concern that having only one
entranae could provide a problem with fire protection.
Chsirperson Haake recoffinended that the applir_ant•a dia~uacs the plan wit.h
Sta=£ and Che engineering Eirm regarding on-site rerention ar~d drainage,
and ev~ergency vehiclea as far as Che ereific Llow patr.ersi ia concerned,
Cormniasioh Member Glazer also asked that the question of who will be
going into the buildings be addresaed, '
Coanmieaion Member Goebel aukeJ wlieii ti.ey will begin goi.-~g ov~r tha Con-
ehensive Plan. Official Rose replied t.hat it is a Coun..il deciaion
who will be doing it, and that Sr.aff will be discusaing it with the
~Gouncil at the next agenda seasion.
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~airpereon Naake otated that tfle Plan~ing Conunisaion would like dipection
11°~om the Council ae far as chooaing a conaultant or updatins Che Compra-
.'":~neive Plan.
M9P (Goabel-Haake) to ad~ourn the meeCing at 10;15 PM, 7 ayee
Respectfully submitted,
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Steven A.
Rose
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, Building and 2oning Official
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