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,~ CITY OF HOUNDB YI6i1
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A ragulqr maaEing of Che Moundr View Plannf.ag Commisetou wae called to
otder by Ohrirparean Haaka ac lOcOD PN on June 20~ 1979 mt the Moundt~
Vlaw 6iCy Rall, 2401 Highway lU, Mounde Vie~+ MN 55112,
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Ohairpar~on Haaka
Oomml~~ion M~mber
Cammi~~ion Kamber
Oomml~oion A[amber
Qomaisoloa Membar
Commiaaiou M~mbmz
Commisaiou Homber
8lanahard
Burmeteker
Fadoz
Freemore
Olaeur
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Buildtng & 2oning Officiffi1 Rose
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Commigalon~t emioar quan--le£t sh
iQeQO PM banaume of fllnaae
Obalrper~on Haeka indiceted ehe hed received s 1sCter of resianaCioa Yrom
Commii~ion Mamber Poea. She gratefully ecknuwladgad hie yeare of coeeri-
Uut4an to Cha Planaiog Commisei~n.
4Mcirpere~a Naxke teaommended the minutee o£ June 6, 197q bn accaptad ae
tubmitkad.
RBAR YARD BSTHAOR VAtIYANC6--DA LAH BilILb8R8--2701 ABDkN AVSNUB
t+~'~ftioial &o~• axplained Che propuaed house would 'ne locstod ak the curner
R ~f Sunnysids and Ardas Avenue. The lot hae 80 faet ftanting Suanpoide and
`""~26 feat frocting Arden Aysquo. The developer is raquo~ting a eetbeak oP
approxlmat~Yq 19,67 Iaa~ Prom the renr lot liam ~ritL t6a drivewey ou
Ard~n. ffie ir prapooi¢$ s 40-Eoot eetback off Bunaqride riieh an exietiag
hou~a Eo tha north 12 feat from tha commou lot li¢e. T6ets ls an exieting
geraga kn tha weat 20 feat from tha loC lina, aode requiree 30 feet Pxont
and raae •akbacks aad tliie wauld not meat thosa currant code requiremente.
It doe~ meat azea raquiramanCe of 12,500 eq. ft. with 18,120 eq. ft.
Mr. Dava Naormaq and Mr. Danny Pataraon rapreeanted Da Lan 10uildere,
Chairpareon 8eaka q~e~tioned wharA 5ha patio wne propoead, Aava Naamsn,
r~pliad Ehat it wac ~uet a patio door and would ba on ground level to the
norCh. Commi~ef.on Membes Burmeislax etated thls type of eituatlua hae
eome up btlPore when Cao 2arge' a ho~ue hae Lean built on a aetrov lot and
it ancroaah~^ on Cha neighbors, aepncially whan a paCio ie built.
Iir. Neaman suggastad Che gurage toaard Sunvyei~la be aonaidered tha fronC
of Yho housa. NitF~ Ehis being Cha front, it would anYy need a 5-faut
sida yarS eatback to meat requiramente. Chairpar~on Heake etatad Chae~
with Chis p1Rn, the front of tho house aea obviously toward Ardan Avenue.
Commiselon Mnmbsr Ooabel staked the poeaibility of the houea Prontiag
Bunnyrida by rearrangiag kha houee wiCh the garega •t tho other snd and
E1ne ~aain dcat t~s:atr3 8~tuayiido, t{s; tiauann replied L•h~r aaua~ n~t wozk
~~r thm proposed housa--it would raqulrs aa ea~tlre2y dif£sreab plaa.
Hounde View planning Coamioeion Pege 2
June 20, 1979
Chairparson Haake seked Mr. Newman what tha hardship vac in thla pasa.
r. Nawman rapliad ~ha houee rae sold apA ha canaot huild withoiet khe
+ermit. Commieolou Member BurmeieCer raplied the herdehip vae a moaetary
ona a¢d cauld not be dealt wltli. Commieoion Nembar Ooebel etetad L•heC the
ord4naneee were !n exleCauca Lsfore Hr. Neamao sold tha ho~aee.
Commiaeiou Mamber Olasar sugQneted the hazdshlp cighC be tha eubetandard
lot. Ka furlhar suggeetad khe quallCy of khs propoend houee be conaidared.
NB (acabal/Burmaleter) to dany the raquaot for variaace for lack oP hardship.
(WOommleeion Membars Doebel 2 eyue*
and Burmeletar) 5 naye
H8P (Ulrcer/Fedor) to gra¢E Da Lan Buildare~ 2701 Ardau Avanue, a variaqaa
af 10.33 feat for tha rear yard ectback. Coneidoration was given Co the
fact thmre ~s littla flaxibiliey in plaaing an adaqu~te structure that v1.11
bn in conformlCy with the qunllty of tha surroa¢ding dmvelopmamt on a aub-
etandard cornar lot.
5 ayae
~*Cammieoinn Membare Ooebel 't naye*
sod Burmaietur)
CommSssion H~mbax Qoabex etaked Che houee could be errangnd sucL thaC it
wonld faca 8unnyeide and anet codn raquLramente.
6onniseion Hamber Hurmeistsr otated the hardehlp wae monatary, particularly
,e~acause oE ignoranca of tha lav, and aleo the buildar apearently did not
~tp2ora with cheagi¢g the houoe to face the eEraet or slCernatxve plaus.
FBONT BARD BBTBAC& VARIANCB--6RB4 HAACYNIAK--7565 SPRINR LARB ROAD
OPPic4a! Rosn ~xplalned tha praperty !s located mid-block oF Broneon and
Couuty Rd. I on Bpriag Lake Road on t„h• eaat eide. Tha lot !s 82~ faeb
and L' davelopad on botfi eidee. Tha applicant te reque0ting a satback of
appr:~+z',mataly 72 feet dua to an exieticg trae he aieha~ to eava. Tha
eatbacke m the eidse ar~ to the eoukh 57.8 fee~ aad eo Eka nnsth, 66 feat.
4U.OS 8ubdivision Ca etatee that, in oo casa, ehould a front yard eetback
ba laes than 30 feet or more than 50 feet, or tha sverage of the adj~eenC
structuras.
Yir. Harciniak erated he had epent ovor a year deeigning tha housa to £it
the lot, lncorporating eha full-grown willow tree. He etated La ha•
measuued and £alt he wae approximately even ailh Cha ualghbor L•o the, uorth.
A diecuesion kook place regarding interpretation of the code. OF£1C~,A1
Rosa lndicated the old code had etated the ftont setback ehouLd be 30 faet
or ali3ned KLth axieting etructurae. It ras updat~d to alloa setbacke the
avarage of ad~aconC struceurtle. The ldea of keaping hauees toyard tha Froat
of Ehe loCS vill provide Eor ordarly development ic [~e futura and ~duuld
stremts go through, k8e 1ot~ could be split and etill allow for ordarly
Prontagos.
~~ Mo~ncatn e~~~neeted 2he ~od~ nculd t~ xe-drS:L~n shaagiag ". .•Fa E.cnt
~rd minimum catback" to "...the front yard maximum satback" and dropping
ha last liaa, 8ha further e[a[ad it !s aot deoirable or aeethetic to hav
~neveo •etbacMs reeulting in different laagth drivewaye.
Mounde View Planning Conmisalon Page 9
Juna 20, 1979
haizpereon Haaka sCatad thle leeue shouid ba dianusee3 vith ci~a plaaning
asuleant aa Lo hce deP~eltive the co3e ahould be.
~; M3Y (Haake;Alenchard) to grant rhe varianae for drag Maxciaiak, 7i65 Spring
~ Lake Road Eo allov hie houee to be ceCback approximnkaly 72 feet from Che
aCraat rigdt-of-way. This variance hae baeo graatad eo the fxont yard
- oatback a112 coaform wlth the astsbliebad Eront yard eatbacks ad;acent to
hi~ loC, tha north lot satback being approximately 66 Pnnt and Che souCh
eaEback apptoxSmsEely 57.8 feet.
b ayee
;, (~GommiesSon Nember Ooebal)1 aay*
Commieaian Nember Ooebal statad the reseon he voted nay was b~causa he
falt uo varianca wae naeded. He vdqt oa eo ekate he fniC Mr. Harclnisk'e
~tr.hwr.ti vae vitbin h!^ coacepk of"avarogs".
MAJOA BUBDIVISION--W. R PORDER & JAMBS L. TRllCKRR--2179 MUSTANO AOAD (APPRdX.)
Offlclal Rose explai¢ad that t~e Plsnniag Commieelon had revieaed and
approved tha subdivialoo at ehe June b maeting; bovaver, aiaoe Chat tima
the davelopar requesta a minor ehange in t1~e eubd~vieion lince. The
originel plat p~ovidad for eight loCe but, beaeuse of pnor aoil, the
developar wants to dissolva lot ~3 and add half oE !ot 43 to loC 42 and
half tc lot #4. T6e eoil ie poor becauee fill had been added ta a low
erea at one t~me. Thie area would be ueed Eoc parking and graen area.
3~~i1 tente~heve~~.ihdieated the remaiaing eo11 Se very good.
,,ommieaLoc Hamber Qochel etated bn would lika some aesurance that compaCible
dmvalopmeat• vould taka pZece within tlic iadustrial complex. Se went on to
e.ate that devalopmeaC bf ona lot may contsibute to drainsge problame,
traEPic pcoblamr, air pollutloo, etc. of the oCher lote. O~ficlal Soea
stutad khat each devalopmant vauld be presenCed to the Planning Cummieeioa
ae LL• ie propoeed. He further atatad that drainage rnquireaente ehou.".d be
accotding to Raeolution •983, air pollutinn !e coatrollnd by the 4.II.A., and
Cheir eCreet plaad are adequata.
Commiaetoa Member Qlssnr staCad he atill had probleme the impact of thie
type of d9vela,pmaot on flood plaias vhich are etill uneeteblie6ed. Ha
further atated it would be dasirable Co have Rica Crenk Waterehed aed other
agenciae' inpute brfora Planning Commiesioa raviea. Officlal Rosa expreee8d
h!s coocern that alca Cteek WaCerahad~ P,C.A, and other agenciea ehould noe
influence the Gity by their regulatione, Ha ststed that, ae c zula, 81ce
Craek Matershad Eoeen'C vant ko review a propoeal until after the City hae
approvad !t. Op Co this poiqt, proposals preaeated to Rice Creek Hatershad
have aither met or exceedad thaix raquiremaoCe.
Cqmmiesioo Mamhar dlaser etaCed thia eubdivieion $ivae tha davaloper tha
rignC to peti[ion for aewar and vnCar and he le uneura the CLCy should
uadurvrlCe the axpanse ahen !te unknow¢ what a111 be bullt. Offioial Aose
indicaCad the dovalopar would pay for public improvemaate.
°ag Mouatsin que~cioned vhether thia davelopment ~e,s similar to that aY
nlty M~a Prupaxtieo. Official Aosa ataCad Realhy Hsa Fropertiea wao
onau P.U.D., wlxlch ~hio gropaaal io aot. Commiseioa Mamber Ooebel poinked
ouk thst Raalty Xaa Yropestiea vere ciilling Lo commit thamselvae es Co wtiat
Mounda Vieu Planning Commiesion
Page 4
June 20, 1979
eorC of development wae foraeeen for tha area, lie further etated thie
klnd of plan vould be highly daeirrLl• for thiu dAVelopmect ae aell.
g NounEain questioned i! a plan of thie type could legally be raquired
. nm tho developer vhen he'e only raquasCing d~vieion of the land.
~hairpereon Haake indlcatad it wae har u¢darstanding Chat an ovarsll
plan cuuld ba required.
QfYiclal Roee indicated that evea though an overall plan ie not ^ubmi;::ed,
tha Clty will have Ehe privilege of ravlaai¢g each propoeal, and all
poasible ramificetione~ individuelly as Chey develop.
6ommiseion MemLar Burmeiater cailed for the quaaEion.
M8P (Saake/Fedor) to approve the requaeE of the applica¢te, W. R. Pordor
and Jamee L. Truckar, 2179 Mustaag Rd. (appros.), to creatu eeven lota ae
par their prelimiaery plat, Mou¢de Ytew Induetrial Park 03, daCed 5/29~79,
ravieed 6/14/79, eub~act to the folloai4g coadieiones Ci~e appilcante
shouid enter SnBn a Je•rnlopment agreement with eha City ruseucat to tUe
inetal.lation of public improvamante and 6nnding.
5 ayes
(*Commiesioa Membero Goebel 2 neye*
aod 6lszer)
Co~mleeion Membar 6laaer eCat~d tha reaeone ha voted ¢ay vera that ths City
hadn't eetablieked the boundariee of the flood plain aad it could affect
Yhe practLcal divisloa of the proparty= aud that Plaaaing Commieeion haea't
bacefited from the remarke of the Rice Craek Wataretied sud other euch
enoies.
"'~hairpereaa Haake etated iE would be halpful £or Planning Commieeio¢ to
~ave the chackliek thst aas prepared by 9taff £or uea in maki¢g de~iaione.
6ha ataaed her coacarn thaC propo~ale were being paeaed deepiCe their
aoncerne, and euggeeted a wurkehop take place afCer the planning coneult-
ant ie hlred. Commiseion Hember Coebal etated the Planning Commiealoa
seeme to be unabla to hold thair grouod on unit developmeat.
tlfficial Roee praeented a requeot for variance for frocC yard eatback
from Mr. G Mre. Thomae Shun. The applicant pxopoeee to build a 40-foot
houea on Eha 85-fook loC located at 7S80 9unnqeida Road. Thla lot hae a
numbar of red oak CrRes approximetely 79 faet baak aad, in an afforC to
keep ne many of theee tzeae ae poeeible, e eetbeck oi• 83 feet le requeeted.
The F[iCahalle ak 7970 9unayeide have a eatback of 67 faeC aad tha Amu¢deene
at 7990 Sunayeide hava a eetback of 7J faet.
Mre. Shun etated they would loee thirteen red oak zrees without thie
variance and it was her underetanding that red oake are not tolerant of
moving. Sha sCaCed bokh Amundeene and Mitetielle are eupportiva. Shs
indicatad her 4ealing that Eha larga number of kruee along Subayeide Rd.
made iE uaique aud beautiful.
Coumieeioa Member Ooebel etatad thaC if tha house Se placed on the ceatcr
oE the lot, it become~ a probiem long aEter the treeu ~ra gone.
x halrp~reon 8aaka quaetionad the chancee oP k1111ag tho rooCe by building.
~eg MounCain in4icatad Chay hsd rrael.vad a varlance and oae yaar a£kar
buildlnQ, 27 rad oaka died. Official Aoae iadiasted rod oake are eueceptible
to oak wile a14o, but chamicale for treatment are available.
Mounds Yiew Planning Oom!vieeioa
Page 5
June 20, 1979
9(Goebel/Hurmeieter) to hable the xequa~t for variance.
3 eyee
(*Commission Members Freemora~ 4 naya*
Fedor~ Ola¢er 6 Chai.rpereon Haake)
Commieriou Member Ooebel ataeod hie raaeon for moving to table tha matter
was bacause the raquaet had uot be,+n placad o¢ the aga4da aad he fe1C it
ehould gu ttirough proper nhannals.
MBA (8ador/Freemor~) to grant a varianae to Thomae 9hun at 7980 9unayuide
Road to allow for an 83-foot front yard eetback. Thie varlauce is gtantad
in conalderation for the nntural wooded featuree and predominant alignment
oP ad~acent etr,ucturae.
6 ayee
(*COmmieelon Membar ~oebel) b nay*
Off7.cia1 Roea presenL•sd Co Che Planning Commiueioa a requeet Sox variance
fsom Mnynard Bowman, 0046 Lang Laka Aoad, for a 5-foot side yard setback.
TLe applicant neade a permit for remodeliog a breeaeway intu a lsmily
room nnd putting in a driveway i¢ tho rear yard. Hr. Bowman hsd etartad
work befor~ tbn buLldiog paxm~t wse ~uthorized. Staff wae alerted Co thie
via a Councilmawber and went to hie xesident r,o cauCion him rugarding
furb4ar mork without a valid permit. Offlcial Rose indlcatad tqe neighoor,
Nr. Fador, hae no obJection to the eide qnrd eatbask; hovever, he doee
ob~ect to vindowe propoead dppoeite hie vindoae.
ummieeion MemUer Fedor asked to etep dowa bacauoe of conilict of icGareet,
~Hr. Sowmaa stated ha had applied for a pesmlC and wae told by Hob ~ ,
thal• thn heak lose factor pam naaded, but he could etart diggiAg acd ;i
gettSng ready. Now he'e bnan told he'e building illegally and he would '~
like to be legal. Na furkher etatad rie hae takan time off vork to build r
aad aauld like eoma direction. Ra indicated tLe propoead windopa Would
mesenre 4 feet long, 2 faat vide and would be placad 6'4° uff tha ground;
eeainad glaee may even be propoeed.
~ 9fPiaiel Roee etated hie impreeeion wae to put a"ekop vork" order inasmuch
~ .au we have not agreed on Plaoniug Commieelo~ Se
aekad Yo act on the xindove and satback.
Gommiaeion Member Fsdor etatad his father would like tu com~ant ~n tha
matter. He felt h!e fsther wae entitled to Chie oppoztunity,~aeC ao tha
naighbor incolved in l•he MeDonald'e addition.
Of£icial Roee cautioned the Planning Commiseion to base their decimion on
realltSee rather than Gha paople involved--tha conctlrn ehould be for how
Mounds View lo devalope,~ and paople aran't alwaye going to e5rae.
MSP COlazar/Burmeiecar) to table Ehe raqueet for Mayaard bawmsn dum'to
lack of neighbcr°e input, and the lateaeee of tha hour.
6 ayes
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~ Mounde Viav PlanninR Co~mleeton
Pego 6
Juoe 20, 1?74
A diecueeion Cook place regarding whether or noE tha Planning Commissioa
hould limit itsel£ Co itame on ehe agenda~ or be opan to other lteme.
~finiai Roee indiaated he had told lha BUuqe and Hr. Bowman tholr requesCe
oald be pcceentad~ buE the Plancing Commieeion may or may not make u
decision un it that night. Pag Mounhain euggesCed a Cime 1LmiE be impoeed
oa non-ageud• peCitio¢are.
Oommiesion Hembere decidad that non-egenda ltams aill be Leard{ howaver
patltionare ehould ba awara they may or may not reeetve aa actioa--it may
be -~Led For later action.
Commiasion Membere dec~ded tha next meeC:ing w~uld ba July 3~ 1979.
Offiuial Roso raqueeted a special meeting Thureday, June 21, 1979 at 7t30 PM
r~gardtng the planaing saaaulCant ealection. The Howman leeua will be
discuoned at that L•ime. Nutice to thie effect vill be poatad on Che public
board~ a¢d Doamiaalcn Member Q~en Nitl be notified.
Chairparaon Haake reromnandad Peg Mouatair to the Planning Commiooion Ca
fill the absanca created by Hr. Poae' reeigqation.
N3P (Gaebel/9aake) to racommend Feg Mountala to rhe Plauuing Commieeiua
to raplase Joa Foes. Thia ancommandaCion racognise9 Yeg'o many nontributioae
of the laeE tiix monthe while aerving ae an ax ofPict~ momber. of the Plaoning
Commleainn,whicfi 6ae yxapared her to fill such n vacaacy.
~~ayec
P(OoebaY/Frcamora) Lc e3~ourn 6ha meeting aC 12:40 YM.
&aepactfully eubmittad,
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Stevec A. &oes;
8uilding 8 Zoniag Of£iciai
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