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Home My WebLink About1980-03-19 PC MinutesPROCEEDIN6S OF THE PIANNINO COMMISSION CITY OF MOUNdS VIEW ~ NhMS€Y GOUNTY, MINNESOTA " P.egular Meeting Hareh 19, 1980 Mounds View City Hell -----°°------------°-----------------------°----z4o~_Hwy,-io,_riou~dg View~ M~_~g112 The Mounde Vleta Ptanntng Commtsslon was cailed to order at 7:30 PM, March 19, 1980, by Chalrpereon Mountin. Afembars Present; Chelrpsrson Mountlr, Comn~selon membcrs Burmelster, Fedor, Haake, Glazer, Sklba and McCarthy. Member~ Absent: Fraemure and Goebel were both out of cown on buslnase. Also Presants Council membar Forslund, Building 6 Zonfng Officlal Rorse, Parks and Recreatlon Director Anderson, and Dan Boxrud' ~ of Short-Elliatt-Hendrickson. ~ Chalrperson Mountin welcanad new Cammisetoner, Wa11y Skiba, on behalf of the Planning Commlse~on. ' Glazar moved to`nominate Paul Fedon Seconded by Sklba 4 ayes 3 nays Burmelster moved to nominate Goebal. Seeonded by Haake. 3 ayes 4 neys Fedor was Welcomed as Vice-Chalrpersori~. Planning Commisalan acceptad the,2/26/80 minutas as submitted. Planning Caimission accaptad thu 2/20/80 minutes as submCtted. ,,w., Burmeister moved io table agenda ltoms 6 b 7 until the ( ~ appllcants arriva. Seconded by Heake. ~rJ 7 ayas a neys 1. ROI,L CAI.L OF COMMIS:IONERS 2. WELCOME NEW MEMBER WALLY SK18A 3. ELECTION Of VICE- CHAIRPEASON 4. APPROVAL OF 2/6/BO , MINUTES 5. APPROVAL OF 2/20/80 MINUTES ,, :.. ,;._.. . ,, , ~ 'Y'. r. . . ~ .. .i i.. , i . MPUNDS t~IEW PLANNINC COMM15510N Regular Meeting Page'2'--""""'-.-'-.-""'-...~.""""-'-'...""-"""'_.-"' MeYeh_1~a.1~84 ~ Chairpereon Mountln noted the memo datnd 3/19/80 regarding the proposed Caae Revtew Format. She asked Lhae the Commisslon conalder use of the format. Heake muved to remoVe Item N6 fran the tabie, Seconded 6. PRELIMINARY CONCEPT by Burmalater. 7 ayes REVIEMAL P.U.D. 0 nays OfPiclet Hose fntroduced eha ltem as an addltlonal step rev(ew requested by tha Applicant and deelred by tne City for thotr proposrd P.U.D. dnvelopmant. This step was felt to be advantogeoue, due to tha City's development of a community perk a~d tho Appllcant's Interest In develaping an approxlmate 100 aore parcal. The percal In questlon and under revlew fs baelcly bounded by Long Lek,e Road, County Road H2, S11ver Lake Road and County Road I. The City's ar.lsting zoning of the area is a cambinatlan of R-I, R-2, R-4 anQ I-1. The Comprehensive Plan designatas tha area mlxed P;U.D, to Include Canmercial, Public and Residenttal~ Tha Applicent, in his lettar to you datad 1/9/80, hea pro- posed such a sketeh proposal. Na has also Ilsted flve polnts of concern, whlch he wouid ilke the C1ty to agree "~ with or give him same dtraction with which he can use to •~ stark hls P.U.D. process. Staff recommends that you comment on his flve polnts of concern and further, glve him A~ro~tlon wtth regard to eny eddittonal speciflce you might,reca~nend be incorporated in his P.U.D. planning procass. Thts recanmendetion that the Pianning Canniss~on might meka does not ahort-clrcuit the threc step P.U.D. process, but only becanes a vantage poPnt for both the City and thn Applicant. The vantage for the City would ba to romplete the park reloeatlon swap, purchase nnd dadlcetton process end for Cha Appllcnnt, tha direction neca9sary for him to start hts P.U.O, procass. Glozer stated he felt the process WA4 being cut short. Suggestad Yhat the ARP11~xnt stert at the Concept Stage of the p.U.D. process. Officlal Roxe assurad htm thet ehere was no short cuh of the P.U.D. process. Park Director Andarson gave a briaf ovarview oP HIs staYf memo deted Nereh 17, 1980. Mr, Andersqn stated that the Parks end Recraatlon Commisslon had been studying and re- vlewinq the Silver Vlew Park ~ssua sinca August, 1976. __ It wae the ccnaansus of thn perk Cammise~on that the re- location propoeal as presented would be a beneflc to both ~J the developar and the Clky. Anderson further stated that the current park proposol wcs arrived ac foltowfng 18 mcnths of compranlse and negotlatlon wlth both the Perk ~k't,~. HUUNDS VI~H PLpNNIK4 COMNISSIOW Reguler Meeting Pe4°.3.--------°---------~- '------Msrgh.~si.~$80 -°-° °-_ °-^-----°.... ° °-----° ~ Cvmmisalon, the Daveloper end City Counell. Anderaon concluded hls report by etating that the June 1, 1980 deadline was requ~red to eonsumate the lend deel so ehat eonstruction eould eommenee. Appllcent wes asked to canment. Dale Cremere, for the Applieant, hed no eomment a! ehls time. Haake q~iestioned how the aetuel tand swap, purehase end dedlceCion was to occur. Dtrector Anderson explalned the approxlmete ecreages and the time freme I4 was hoped to be canplated fn. Fedor rcquested haw the ownership of the pond wes to occur and the value of the dadicatt~n. Dlraetor Andanon steted the ownersh!p would bo by the City and that It was hopad to bu part of tha preiiminary conaept egreement. The value of the dedication depends un the apprelsal used and tha land Itself. Anderson referred ta the appraisels the Clty had recalved. 6urmelster had no questlons or statements At th(s time. Skibe had no quastions or statauants at thts tfRa. ~ Glazer hr.d, no questtons or statements at this tlma. McCarthy had no questions or statanants at this ttme. Mountln asked Director Anderson where the City was with regerd to the Comprehenslve Plan Park process. Anderson replled that Staff and Councll would ba rev(awtng the survey in the near future. Publfc hearfngs have 6ean scNeduled. Ne further notod that thfs survey dfd not cover Silver View Park. That study will be done by L.A.N.C.O.N. funds and a separato Issue. 6ale Cremers and Dtck Cush, of Kraus-Anderson, were et tha meeiing on bahalf of the land owners. Cremers statad thet he felt It would be easlar end more profitabla for Kraus-Anderson to develop Nhe land under the existing zonings. Kraus-Anderson hes ehosen not to, due to Maunds Vlew Staff's Inslstence that Kraus-Anderson use the Cnmprohensiva Plan dasignat(on of Mlxed P.U.D. Ha stated that Kraus-Anderson is not a resfdent(ai developar but, due to the Clty~s i~iterest In thet usage end th3 potenttal markatability of tha restdentiai use, Kraus- riaderson has decided to dnvelop a maJor portion oA thatr holdinge es res(dentlal. Kraus-Andersort aleo supporta the perk reloewkian and acrda noted (n the Staff rEports. ~. He anked the Commlaslon to glve him dlrect~on fran wbich ~ to further his plen bufare he spends eddltlorai monles. In turn, he would try to accommodaie theee concerns as bast he could. Ha would also 11ke to esslat In the Steff deadltno timing with regard to the park lend swep, 6~ PRELIMINARY CONCEPT REVIEWAL P.U.D. (eont~) S i 5 ! JC"' HOUNDS VIEW PLAt~NIN6 COMNISSION Regular Meeting ea84 4 -- .-----~- --^----------------- ---^------- March_IS~_1~80 ~ - --^.--.. ~ -`-.--.....-° - . ' dedlcstlon end purchsen so thst the Clty might cont~nue 6. PRELIMINARV CONGEPT with fund~ng. Out of 100 aeres of 1and, thle proposal REVIEWAL P,U.b. gives them 56 acres. They hwe atudled the aree needs (coni~nued) for thls land and ~t conftrmad the Ctty' e dealgnetlon of mlxed P.U.D. Crumers furthar discuseed the lske development. He noted that tho Gtty't Enginaer recanmendad the deepening of the leke en addltlonel two feet~ He egreed with this, but ntated the Clty would Lhen be requeated to partlclpate. They would alau be wllling to allow the asaesrsing of the eddlelonal cost, of which chey would, in turn, be respon- siblm for another epproxlmate 40$. Overalt, ha felt thelr propaeal wes o ptus to tha communtty and thot wes Kraus-Andersons Intent and style. If the Clty ar.d Kraus-Anderson camplnted a praliminary concept egreement, tfiay would tmmadfs[ely starY tha agency reviaw process formelly, as well as prepering for the P.U.~. process. Heake questionod whather tbe C~ty should change the depth ~~ of the pond in lieu of the racommendatton fram S.E.H. f ~ Rose replled that, due to the necasslty of outsida agency revlewet and appravals, thA City mlght eccept tha blue- line drawing es preeented by the Appl(cant's Engfneer. Upon receiving tho agency rav~awels, She City may then be morn able to determine eertatn easthetfe velues of tha pond, To clarlfy the issue ta what extent the Applicant wouid d~velop the propased leke, he wae'asked lf they wo~ld devalop It at no cost to the City, pursuant to the blue- Ifne drawtng submlttad by the Kreus-Anderson englnear. Cremera, anskering for tha Appileant, stakecl thay woufd. FeJor dlseuased the residentlel Yand uses, fee~~ng they mighk be becter deflned. Burmelster quastioned the helght of tha etderiy high rise proposal, stating Yhat thare wera helght ra^ strictlons In our ~ode. Crsmers ateted they would stey within the City Code or rnqueat changas. He furthar outlined that Kraus- Anderson meinly plans office bulldinga abovd County Aoad I, with Che commerciel develo~mbnt along Highway l~ 10 to possibly Include e food merket, furniture stora, hordwere, eto. Kreus-Anderson wes not Interosted in Peet food esteblishments beeeuae they like to bulld end leeae bu(Idinge. fW.. .. i.,.. At:;..... ... ~ _ ., . , MOUNOS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION Regular Mcettng Paye.~--°--. _..----------------°-°-----°--°°----..,°---°-^°°°°-Merch.l $a.19~80 +~ Skt6a steted his concerne had been answered. 6. PRELIMINARY CONCEpT ' pEV~EWAL P.U,O. McCarthy questioned Yhe feasibltity of the offlce (continund) bulldings on the marglnal land above County Road I. Further, where would tha existing pcndnd water dreln to. Boxrud, oF Short-Elllott-Handrickson, statad that the area would drain to tha leke and that there was capaetty fur tha 260 acre dralnaga district to meat the raqulre- ments of Resolutlon N983 wtYh the Applieant's report. McCarthy furthar quastlonad the control of Kraus- Anderson over tha land they might sall to another c'evatoper. Cremers staked thnt Kraus-Andarson wouid exercfse tha controly of Yha final P.U.D. approvai documents. ?~ Glazer staYed he could eppreclate Kraus-Andarson's affort %:' In this twu y~ears qf planning, but that this was the first Planning Canmission raview. Glazer askad Cramers (f ` '`I khere was a need for eldarly housing in Mounde Vlew. i Cremers stetad he was under the bcitef that thare was and that financ~ng r.ould also be obtalned. Glazer furthar i '~~ questtoned whether or not we gain storage capaclty canparing LJ the existing pond with the proposed ona. Boxrud stated that tha City galns storaga.~ G}azer tben asked if, with the enlargement of the pond, tha nutrient balance neads would stay the seme. eoxrud atated that he thought thare would be adequate vegetatlon around the perimetar ef the pond but that if the DNN o~ fCWD wanied mare,'the City could Jdst raquira'loss axcavation In certaln areas. " Furthar dlscussion,cantared around the need for opan space and the foeltng that the propooad lake/pond met that requiremant. " Mountin questtoned tha feasfbllity of tha swiminfng beach. ~ Rose referred to S.E.H.'s report etating that there were a number of factors. Tha flnal pl~m for the laka and beach should be planned In tha P.U.D. procass. Boxrud J added that on add(tlonal study mey be necessary, da- pending on hcw the proposa] Is changed by outside agenclas, if at ali. Heeke quastioned tha need for a beach with Spring lake so near. Tha zoning of tha middle 22.9 resldontiai noted acras was askad. Cremers stated that ha would Me wflling to go medlum density. Heake fatt thnt at YIlIS tlme maybe evarythfng shouid be noted R-i. ~4"~ Counctl membar Forslund spoke and asked that the ~„~ Plaaning Commtesion give the Applicant directlon so ehat he cen continue. ,s~~x.~,._ _ . ,~, ... ~ , ~ ,- ~ . ~ ~-,~ . ~ ,~,~., » _ ~ MOUNDS VIEN PLANNIN6 COMNISSIQN Pa99-6'-"'----°' --"_^""'-- °--------'---.' _.. ~ Fedor osked what was betng done about exlsting dretnaye dltchas. Rose replled thet eny exlsting drslnage facilitlee would be ruspected, modlfled or Improvad, but that the system woald continue to work under the crlteria of Resolution N983~ Ragular Meet~ng ___________________March_IQj_1~80 6. PREIIMINARY CONCEPI' REV1EWAl P.U.D. (continued) Burmaister asked if the swlmming beach wes a hlgh prlor!ty. Anderson statnd Ic wae, She further asked Kraus-Anderson IF the middle 22.9 acres could not have a mixture of R-1 to R-3 uses. Cremars, for Kraus- Anderson, statnd he thought the tra~t was too smn11 for a good mlx. Glazer asked if thn pond was naeassery rAgarding Resolu- tion k9s3. eonrud ~teted posstbiy not ali of It, Giezer than state.d he would Iike to praserve the natural setting as much as posslble, to protect tha Hatar ae !t cxlsYS. McCarthy esked k•hat density Hraus-Anderson had planned for eha southwast cerner. Cre~rers, for Kraus-Anderson, scafe~ sfngle femlly dwellings. Thet they wante~ to protact end preserva tha rolling character. MaCarthy also stressad the need for minfmum access to existing ~--, artar(ats and the use of nn Interior roed system. Cremers agreed that this was important and was In thalr pl~ns. .,.~ McCarthy askad to what extent ware Kraus-Anderson's laka ~evelopmant plans; wara hhey going to saed and po•ovide benk control7 Cremers sald that tt wes mandetory by outslda agenctes. Chafrperson Mo~ntin askad if thare wore any mora qudstlons. Thara wero none. Haake presanted the following motion, secondad by Burmeister. ~hareas, the City has Indicatad its deslra that Lha s te nown as Krous-Anderson/Mlner proparty be used as mlxed anning, I.e „ commerclal, R-4, R-3, R-2 ~nd R-1; and Whereas, the Ctty desiras to swap the park l~nd constst~ nl g of 16.9 acras on ehe southwest cornar Lo tho northwest cornar and to acqulra an additlonal pur- chase of ryerk lond wlth 4.A.W.C.O.N. funds; end Whereas, tha developer wtll sat~sy Raseiutlon No. 9~@3 ~with tho development of ~ak Perk Lnka; nnJ k~her;ae, the develaper wi11 adhere to a ring road concept; ~ WE MAKE THE MOTION to recommand to the Councll the epproval of tha,Pralfmtnary Concept Pro~osal as presented , MOUNDS VIEW PLANNIN6 COMMISSION Regular M?etinr ~ ?a99_~_____________________^_.-.--......---..._.....^_--..--..._..-__.-°.Merch_i~y_1580 ~`Aj to ue tanight~ subJa~t ko the following stipulatlonst 6. PRELIM~NARY CONCEPT REVIEWAL P.U.D. 1. The esteblishment of a ring road, Including (continued) minlmum curb cuts,wlth the financing of Improvementa declded by tha Counail, such es the Improvcmonts put In 6y the City end 988a88BA back ko the davelopar via texes. 2. Thet seld lake would 6e devaloped aa Indieated on Gerald Sunde's plet deked Feb. 19, 1980, satlafying Resotutlon k983 and to satisfy speciflcetlone frar, the reguteting bodles. 3. 'fhaf mn acceptabla coec ba errived at In tho development oA the lakn end an agraunent as to thn malntanence of tha lake. ~ , 4. That a land swap Is undertaken for park purposea, relacating the proseat 16.9 acres fn the south- west corner to che northwest corner, ptus the .. ~ addltion oF aereage fran L.A.W.C.O.N. funds in the same slte erea. ,~ 5. That the proposed zoning of the southwest cornar •t i~ bc R-1 end the 22.9 acres be mixad rosldanttal. "' 6. That the )end localed north of'County Roed I owned by Kraus-Andereon be fully epprovod by e11 ' reguleting agenefes with guarantees that alt drainaga will ba controlled before eny deVelop- p~~ ,'' mant takas place on sald parcal. Dlscusalon then occurred about tha davelopment of tha ' laka. Cremeru wes asked if tha pr~posed plan af eha )ake waa required to be modifiad, would ha egrae to have It done at no addttfonal eost to tho City. Cremers agreed, es long as It did noi chan9n khe numbe~ of cublc yards of mater(als to be dug. Fedor askad what density the developar would agrea to with regerd to the 22.9 ecres. Cremers stated 4 units per acre of devalopablo 1and. Mountin stated she falt thet deftnlte denaity should be p~st of th~ P.U.fl: Fr•oG~Bg. She also would Itke to see the DNR and RCWD racamnon+latlons at the Genaral L'oqcept Stqge. Mounttn offerud amendmanxs to she metn motlon, secondad " ~ by Burmnister. ~ ' „ , , ~~~~z~;~ _ ._ „, _ MOUNOS VIEW PLANNINU COMMI5SION Raguter Maeting ..... ~-----------Nerch.l3i.IS00 " Fage - ° B --°--- ~ °----------°°--^ --°-----°----- ---- - -- ~ ~ ?~~/ To add the fottowing: 6. PRELIMINARY CONCEPT REVIEWAL P.U.D. 7. The developer shall submit ONR and RCWD (continued) revlewele end recommendatlons to the P1enning Cammission et thalr Oenzrel Con- cept Stege. 8. The Devetaper, upon completlon of the ,lake, shall dedlcota It and the welkway propertles to tha City~ 9, Thet the park iand "swap, ded~cntion and ~ purchase" occurs before June 1st. 10. That tha devaloper submit Informatlon necessary for tha EAW at the General •~ Cancept,5tage of the ?.U.D. procesu. Glazer questtoned the need for specific densltir,s. ~. ~ ~ .. ". Motlon to amend main inotton by Ctazer, seconded ' ` ' by Fedor. G To mod~fy d5 of maln motlon to read as follc,is: ` ' 5. Thet ehe proposed zontng for tha pareel ~ _,~..;! will bo roughly a5 presented to us to- ' night, with the southwest carnar baing ' '` A~1 and the mfddle residantlal designated ~ area will have no greater denslty then 4 '' , units per scre of Its developeble land. ' ~ " The 3.0 acre area dasignated etderly mld- - ~'~" ' rtse wtll stlll be open to dlscussion. ! -, Vote on sacond amandment.. 5$Yag 2 nays Burmeistar votad nay because sha wanted to con- slder the denslties af the Concept Stage. Mountln agreed wfth thet and also stated tha ` City did not have a zero lot line ordinance " whlch could affect those densftlas. Yote on first em^,ndmant. 7$Y8g 0 nays Vote on maln motlon. 6 ayes ,_ 1 absta~n ,~/ ~ ~ MOUNDS VtEW PLANNING COMMISSION Reguler Meating ~ e@9e-S---^----------------°°.---~~------'-'---°-----`°-----^--`---° March.~~i.1~80 Glazer abstalnnd because he felt there was not 6. PRELIMINARY CONCEPT anough Informetlor~ about the pond. Mn wcul~ REVIEWAL P.U.D, llka to hava DNR crd RCwD raports. He felt (continued) strongly about losing Lhe netural dYalnage setting unlaes It was proved to be necessary. Rose reported that the appticant, Joh~ Millar, requasted 7. MILLER INDUSTRIAL the Planning Commisslons Input wlth ragard to hls PLAY - Sketch plan skotch plan~ Tha genaral locatlon of his parcel Is revleWal - MaJor north of New Trunk Higltiway 10 and south or County Road J. Subdfvlsion (2 lots The existing zoning Is a canbinatlon of R-t, B-2 and Into 14),- Rezoning I-1. TBe Comprahansfva Plan had danoted tha area (R-1 to B-} 6 1-4, Light Industrlat. He further notad that tha Judlcial I-I to 8-3) Dttch Ni fiawad t~rou3h the ~roperty end ihat the ACWD's in~tlal rav(ew Indicated devetopment could occar abave the 699.0 alevatiun. Rosa added that, ths RCUD was, havevar, revlewing that alevatlon for potenLial change. The access propoeed was a sfmple loop In and nut. MnD6T is presently reviewing this with thair plene for naw 7runk Hfghway 10, The solls, es notad In eorllar reports, Indlaated llmttetlons. ili;!ar, epplicant for subdfvfsfon and rezontng, tntro- ~ duned himself and Just a4ked that the Flanning Cortmisston ~.,.~ offer any dlrectfon they couid whfch would help hlm plan for the davalopment of his plat. He requfred or requested no motton., Haake esked what speclfically Miller has plannad for usAS.' M111er stated he had nothing deffnlte but that he would stay wlthtn the limtts of the zonings requested. Fedor wanted to sea further revlew by the DNR and RCWD. ~ Burmelster wanLed to hear MnD07's comments witl~ regard to how thfs ffts Into the relocatlon procass. Mflier stated that he would modlfy to meet Lhe1r recommendatlons. Glazer atso wanted to sea further review by DNR and RCWD. McCarthy dtscussed tha solls end thalr limitatlons. Cary ComsCock, angin~cr for Mlller, re~quested that the , Planning Conmisslon offer d(reckfon to Mliter wltF. J regard ta the sketch plan. ~_ ,, . _ . . ._ ., , , .x ; ~ .;~,,:. .. ,:: , ,., . ~s ~ .. :..:........ ... . .. .. .. ~,, ~- ~ t _ ~ Ragular Meeting MOUNDS VIEW PLANNINO COMMISSION ______. M,yrch„1~j_iS80 Pe e 10 -"""-.'--"--.-'--°'.'_"". --S°--°--°----. °°--°.----... y. ~"'~. ~~"; ~~.~.~I M~unttn stated it was difficult to giva directlon 7. MILLER INDUSYftIAL PLAt t~ont,) without the ~nput from oeher agenc~es with regard to tha Nlghway 10 reloeation, flood plaln etevation and soil limitatlans. Appilcant thenked the Commisslon for their time and r stated he would try to respond to thelr euncerns. ;, Fedor moved to ta61e Item d8 to the next rogular meeting end Itein d9 to tha naxt arork sesslon7 ayes Seconded by Glazer. 0 neys Roae noted to tha Planning Commisston thet the ' wneract had bena execUted wl.h tha City Consult'ant ,.:.a '' ,, ,',, Planner and that Lhe Work Session promised'would be . held at 7s00 PM on March 29. ~ Haeke moved to adJourn at 11s30 PM. Seconded s: ` by 8urmeister. 7 ayes . ~, , .' , ,. 0 nays ~ r ,, , , ~ ~ -. , , _ .. , _ ;•~ . ~ ~ . .. ~'.: ..~ ~ ~ . .~. . .~i. , .:~ . . ~~ .~ e ~ .~ ... . . ~k~, s€,"L ~i,;, Sti- . ~ 5.:,,~ h):v y? I • ~ ~ ~ { 1 u+rs«u1rtY'+~.~ 1