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MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA
November 7, 2007 -- 7:00 P.M.
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Minutes:
A. October 3, 2007
4. Citizens Requests and Comments Relating to Planning and Zoning Issues Not Already
Present on the Agenda. (Before speaking, please give your full name and address for the
minutes.)
5. Planning Cases
A. CU2006-009 Public Hearing to Consider a Conditional Use Permit to Allow for
Storage of Flammable Liquids
Applicant: 7T’s Management
Address: 4815 Mustang Circle
6. Other Planning Activity
A. Planning Commission term expirations
7. Next Planning Commission Meetings:
A. November 21, 2007 – NO MEETING
B. December 5, 2007
8. Adjourn to Agenda Session
Agenda Session
1. Review Minutes:
a. October 17, 2007
2. Staff Reports
a. Upcoming Planning Cases
3. Chairperson and Planning Commissioners’ Reports
4. Meeting Conclusion
PROCEEDINGS OF THE MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
October 17, 2007
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112
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1. Call to Order
Chair Stevenson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. October 17, 2007
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2. Roll Call
Members Present: Chair Stevenson; Commissioners Cramblit, Gunn, Lang, Meehlhause,
Miller, and Walsh-Kaczmarek
Absent and Excused: None
Also Present: Planning Associate Heller
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Index to Minutes Page
Comprehensive Plan Update 2
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3. Approve Minutes
A. September 19, 2007.
MOTION/SECOND: Cramblit/Walsh-Kaczmarek, to approve the minutes of the September 19,
2007 regular Planning Commission meeting as amended.
Ayes – 7 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
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4. Citizens Requests and Comments on Items Not on the Agenda
None
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5. Planning Cases
None
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6. Other Planning Activities
A. Comp Plan 2008 Update
Planning Associate Heller explained the Planning Commission would discuss the Chapter 4 -
Housing section of the Comprehensive Plan. She included a report from the Met Council on
affordable housing. She reported the Met Council assigns each city a number of additional
affordable housing units that they should be planning for. Mounds View’s fair share amount is
81 units. She stated Mounds View already has a significant amount of affordable housing with a
wide range of opportunities for both rental and ownership. She explained the Met Council bases
the number of affordable housing units on the types of jobs in a given community and access to
public transportation.
Planning Associate Heller directed the Commission through Chapter 4 of the Comprehensive
Plan.
Commissioner Gunn referenced Item H and questioned if Mounds View participated in a first
time homebuyers program.
Planning Associate Heller replied that Ramsey County offers a first time homebuyers program.
Chair Stevenson asked if townhomes were included in the single-family homesteaded chart.
Planning Associate Heller replied she believed they were. She stated the chart requires updating.
Commissioner Gunn referenced Item 44-I - Point of Sale and Truth in Housing and questioned
whether Mounds View was participating in these programs.
Planning Associate Heller replied Mounds View has not started these programs and it is
questionable whether it would. She explained the programs require homes be brought up to code
prior to sale.
Commissioner Gunn asked if the Property Managers Coalition was still active.
Planning Associate Heller replied it was active and that single family home rental properties may
be added in to the city’s rental licensing program.
Commissioner Miller questioned if the programs listed in Goal 1 Policy h were still available.
Planning Associate Heller replied the Housing Resource Center handles these programs. She
stated loan programs are available that are not being taken advantage of.
Commissioner Gunn questioned whether the Housing Resource Center should be referenced in
several of these Items.
Planning Associate Heller replied it could be added where appropriate.
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Discussion ensued on updated information on housing statistics.
Chair Stevenson asked when the most recent information would be pulled.
Planning Associate Heller replied she would research information over the next nine months.
Commissioner Miller pointed out the County Assessor’s data on housing conditions and asked if
homes are actually looked at.
Planning Associate Heller replied this information comes from the County Assessor’s office.
She stated the County receives building permit information which is one way they determine
home values.
Commissioner Cramblit commented the housing conditions are a drive-by determination.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek commented it might be advantageous to have a local entity
make a determination on housing conditions rather than the county.
Planning Associate Heller commented she believes city staff has a good grasp of what is going
on in the City.
Commissioner Gunn commented on subsidized and Section 8 housing.
Planning Associate Heller explained the difference between the types of subsidized housing and
Section 8.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek questioned whether the Met Council enforces the number of
affordable housing units that each city is asked to plan for.
Planning Associate Heller replied that the Metropolitan Council realizes that cities can not
control the housing market, but they also should not be preventing expected growth or affordable
housing opportunities. She commented that cities can designate land for higher density housing
which is typically the only way any new housing can be made affordable now without some type
of subsidies.
Commissioner Gunn questioned whether the lot sizes on Table 16 were correct.
Planning Associate Heller replied they were, and came from the zoning code.
Planning Associate Heller explained the stars signify Mounds View’s benchmarks and that we
have met or exceeded the Met Council’s expectations.
Chair Stevenson commented the charts should include both single family detached and single
family attached categories.
Commissioner Walsh-Kaczmarek recommended standardizing all the charts.
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Commissioner Gunn questioned the reference to manufactured housing on page 57 and that it
didn’t necessarily fit into this section.
Consensus reached that this section needs rewriting.
Planning Associate Heller stated the next Comprehensive Plan Taskforce meeting is at 6:00 p.m.
on November 14, 2007. She reported a member from the Met Council and the city’s housing and
code enforcement inspector would be attending this meeting.
Planning Associate Heller explained the process involved in updating the Comprehensive Plan.
Chair Stevenson explained that what the Planning Commission and City Council executes
through the Comprehensive Plan determines the land use map and the future of Mounds View.
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7. Next Planning Commission Meetings:
A. November 7, 2007
B. November 21, 2007
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8. Adjournment to Agenda Session
There being no further business before the Planning Commission, Chair Stevenson adjourned the
meeting at 8:41 p.m.
(The meeting immediately adjourned to the Agenda Session.)
Respectfully submitted,
Jim Ericson
Community Development Director
Transcribed by:
Dianna Wise
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
Item No: 5A
Meeting Date: November 7, 2007
Type of Business: Public Hearing
City of Mounds View Staff Report
To: Mounds View Planning Commission
From: Heidi Heller, Planning Associate
Item Title/Subject: Consideration of a Conditional Use Permit for the Storage of
Flammable Liquids at 4815 Mustang Circle; Planning Case
No. CU2006-009
Introduction:
The applicant for this case is 7T’s Management, which owns one of the lots upon which
Tyson Company is situated. They are requesting approval of a conditional use permit to
allow for the storage of flammable liquids on their property located at 4825 Mustang Circle.
The site is zoned “Industrial” and currently encompasses four lots for a total of approximately
20 acres. The applicant is currently working with Ferrellgas in New Brighton to relocate their
business onto the southern part of their property. Currently Ferrellgas is located at 1430 Old
Highway 8, New Brighton, in the northwest quadrant area that is being redeveloped, and the
city is buying their property. Tyson Company currently has a Conditional Use Permit in order
to allow for a motor freight terminal. An amendment to the current Conditional Use Permit is
required in order to allow for the storage of flammable liquids in an industrial zoned district.
Ferrellgas sells propane gas and the site would have three 30,000 gallon above ground
storage tanks, along with two smaller buildings, similar to their current site. They would have
four to eight employees on site (more employees during the winter).
Ferrellgas has been in existence since 1939 and is the nation’s leading retail propane
company. They serve all 50 states, Canada and Puerto Rico. They have been located in New
Brighton for the last several years. There has been a propane business in the same New
Brighton location for decades, but it has been sold a few times over the years to different
companies, with Ferrellgas being the most recent owner.
This planning case first came before the Planning Commission in October 2006. The
Planning Commission tabled the case and requested a risk management plan be submitted
to the City by Ferrellgas. At that time, Tyson was proposing to place Ferrellgas to the west of
Fedtech’s building on the southern part of this lot, due to Tyson’s plans for their own new
building. In this location Ferrellgas would have been at least 400 feet off of the street and
fairly well hidden from street view behind Fedtech’s building.
Discussion:
Section 1116.04 of the Zoning Code conditionally allows storage of flammable liquids as a
conditional use in Industrial districts. The applicant is proposing to have three main above
ground propane tanks and will construct two smaller buildings, approximately 1,500 square
feet and 1,800 square feet, for office space, storage, and a dock for cylinder filling.
Tyson CUP Staff Report
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CUP Considerations:
With every Conditional Use Permit application, Chapter 1125 of the Zoning Code requires
that the Planning Commission review and address any potential adverse effects which
include, but are not limited to; relationship with the Comprehensive Plan, geographical area
involved, potential depreciation, the character of the surrounding area, traffic, adequate
utilities and access roads and the demonstrated need for such a use. Each of these potential
adverse effects is reviewed and addressed:
Relationship with the Comprehensive Plan: The Comprehensive Plan encourages the
expansion of existing businesses and introduction of new businesses within Mounds View.
4825 Mustang Circle and all the surrounding properties are designated as light or heavy
industrial on the Land Use Map. The four lots making up Tyson’s property are not consistently
designated. The northernmost lot is designated as Heavy Industrial due to that being the
primary location of their current building, and the other three lots are designated as Light
Industrial, including the lot where Ferrellgas is proposed to be located. The proposed propane
gas facility could be inconsistent with the Comp Plan, as the characteristics of Ferrellgas fall
more in the heavy industrial definition. The light and heavy industrial designations as defined in
the Comp Plan are as follows:
Light Industrial – Land used primarily in the manufacture, processing, fabrication,
assembly, packaging, incidental storage, sales, and distribution of predominantly
prepared materials, finished products or parts. Light industrial uses would typically
have all processing within buildings, require limited exterior storage, generate limited
amounts of truck traffic, and be free of hazardous or objectionable elements such as
noise, odor, dust, smoke, glare or other pollutants. Examples include greenhouses,
food and drink processing plants and storage, light manufacturing and assembly, small
machine and tool and die shops, flex industrial centers, mini-warehouses, and research
and development facilities.
Heavy Industrial – Land used primarily in the manufacture and/or processing of
products from large bulky predominantly raw, extracted, or hazardous materials;
or use engaged in the storage of flammable, explosive, or other materials that
may pose a threat to public health or safety. Heavy industrial uses may require
exterior storage of large equipment or material, be engaged in outside
processing or assembly, generate significant amounts of truck or rail traffic, or
emit limited amounts of objectionable elements such as noise, odor, dust, smoke,
glare, or other pollutants. Examples would include foundaries and heavy
manufacturing plants, grain elevators, and commercial warehouses.
The Geographical Area Involved: The proposed business would be located on Mustang Circle,
in the center of the Mounds View Industrial Park. A propane gas business would not
necessarily be out of place for this industrial area, and the size of the property would easily
accommodate the proposal. Tyson Company owns four parcels totaling approximately 20
acres. Ferrellgas is proposed to be located on the most southern lot, which is 10 acres in size,
although Ferrellgas would occupy only a few acres of this lot. Ferrellgas would be located
directly adjacent to Mustang Drive/Circle, where Tyson currently has a parking lot for their
Trailwood Transportation division. Fedtech, a precision laser and water jet cutting business, is
located immediately adjacent to the property to the south.
Tyson CUP Staff Report
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Depreciation: The proposed propane gas facility may not necessarily be visually attractive,
although this is an industrial area and screening could be used. There are also concerns about
the propane odor that may come from this business. The lot proposed for Ferrellgas is between
Tyson’s current buildings and a light industrial building with several tenants (including Fedtech &
AccuStream), with BelAir Excavating to the far south in New Brighton, and Ramsey County Park
open space to the west. This particular property is currently a parking lot, open space and
wetlands. A development review would be required if this request is approved, and at that time,
site details such as screening could be addressed.
The Character of the Surrounding Area: This part of the City is mostly an Industrial area.
There is a manufactured home community at the north end of the entire Tyson property, with a
natural vegetative buffer separating the properties. Townsedge Terrace has approximately
230 homes in the park and is within 700 feet of the proposed Ferrellgas site. All other
properties surrounding the subject property are zoned Industrial or are park open space.
Access to Ferrellgas would be directly off Mustang Drive/Circle. The proposed propane gas
facility may not necessarily be out of character in this industrial area.
Traffic: Ferrellgas would operate approximately five trucks out of this facility, and each truck
typically makes six trips per day. They do also have will-call customers that would come to the
facility to fill portable tanks. The facility would be open from 7:00am to 5:00pm. This area
already has high truck traffic due to the existing businesses in the industrial park, so additional
traffic to this new business may not be very noticeable.
Adequate utilities and access roads are available: The water and sewer lines that currently
serve the area should have adequate capacity to provide for this improvement. Ferrellgas
would not be a large user of either water or sewer. The site is located right off Old Highway 8
which has good access to nearby highways and freeways.
The Demonstrated Need for Such a Use: Ferrellgas must relocate from their current location
in New Brighton and would like to stay in the same area, and Tyson has an opportunity to
generate additional revenue from their large amount of underutilized land.
Fire Safety Considerations: Propane storage falls under the requirements of the fire code.
The Fire Marshall along with an independent fire engineering consultant (Futrell Fire Consult
& Design) have reviewed the risk management plan that was submitted by Ferrellgas.
Futrell’s summary comments said they feel that Ferrellgas takes a proactive approach to
safety and intends to meet or exceed the minimum adopted codes when their policies are
followed. Although, the information and plans that were submitted by Ferrellgas lacked
details and consistency, and other information that would have helped Futrell be able to
make a more thorough recommendation. Both the Mounds View Fire Marshall and Futrell
strongly recommend if the request for a CUP is approved, that additional fire protection
features be required due to the amount of nearby businesses and a large residential
neighborhood about 700 feet away. There are two articles included in this report about a
recent incident involving a propane truck that ignited and exploded while filling tanks at a
foundary. These articles describe how a large radius area can be involved with an explosion.
Tyson CUP Staff Report
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Staff is concerned about the potential fire issues due to the close proximity of Ferrellgas to
the existing businesses in the industrial park, and the Townsedge Terrace manufactured
home community to the north. Due to the geographical location of this industrial park within
the city, this is one of the most distant Mounds View areas for the SBM Fire Department to
respond to. Fire Department response time for water application to this location exceeds the
time outlined for development of extremely hazardous conditions as outlined under NFPA 58
(National Fire Protection Association), and no special protections have been proposed to
address this deficiency. (Futrell indicates in their report that this alone should have sounded
warning bells to the person conducting the analysis, but it didn’t). Another concern is the
limited accessibility to and around this particular site. Mustang Drive is the only access into
the industrial park, and there is very limited ability for the fire department to access all sides
of the Ferrellgas site since Long Lake Regional Park and large industrial buildings surround
this property.
Public Input: This meeting is a public hearing. Staff has mailed letters to the neighboring
businesses in this industrial park, and the Townsedge Terrace manufactured home park
owner and managers to notify them of the proposed project. Kathi Osmonson, Mounds View
Building Official/Fire Marshall, will be attending this meeting.
Summary:
7T’s Management is requesting approval for a conditional use permit for the “storage of
flammable liquid,” which would allow Ferrellgas to relocate onto their property. The Zoning
Code conditionally allows for this type of use in an Industrial district.
Recommendations:
After holding the public hearing and taking testimony from staff and the applicant, the
Commission can take one of the following actions related to the request:
1. Recommend approval of the conditional use permit. If the Planning Commission selects
this option, Staff would need to be directed to draft a resolution recommending approval.
If the Commission chooses to act on this option, Staff will provide the resolution to the
Commission at the next meeting.
2. Recommend denial of the conditional use permit. Resolution 875-07 is attached if the
Commission selects this option.
3. Table the request. If additional information is needed before a decision can be rendered
or if more discussion is needed, the Commission can simply move to table the request
until such information has been provided.
Respectfully submitted,
Heidi Heller
Planning Associate
Tyson CUP Staff Report
Page 5
Attachments:
1. Application
2. Zoning Map
3. Aerial View
4. Ferrellgas Site Plan
5. Comp Plan Future Land Use Map
6. 700 foot and 1,000 foot radius maps
7. Plan Review Comments from Kathi Osmonson, Building Official/Fire Marshall
8. Review of Ferrellgas Risk Management Plan by Futrell Fire Consult & Design, Inc.
9. Articles about a propane explosion in Tacoma, Washington
10. “Facts About Propane” from the National Propane Gas Association
11. Letter from Fedtech – dated 10-4-06
12. Letter from Dymax – dated 10-4-06
13. Resolution 875-07
Ferrellgas site Tyson Lot 4
Tyson Lot 3
Tyson Lot 2
Tyson Lot 1
Zoning Map
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N
Aerial View
Townsedge Terrace
Neighborhood
Proposed location for
Ferrellgas
4 main large (30,000
gallon) above ground tanks
– 3 tanks would relocated
Current Ferrellgas site in New Brighton
1430 Old Highway 8
Ferrellgas Site
Plan
Comp Plan Map
October 1, 2007
Kathi Osmonson
Fire Marshal/Building Official
City of Mounds View
2401 Highway 10
Mounds View, MN 55112
RE: Ferrellgas LP Tank Installation
4825 Mustang Circle, Mounds View, MN 55112
Results of Plan Review
Dear Kathi:
At your request, I have reviewed the proposed Ferrellgas LP Tank installation drawings, material
submittal and Product Release Prevention and Incident Preparedness Review (i.e. Fire Safety
Analysis) for the proposed installation at 4825 Mustang Circle. This letter details my review of
the submittal to determine if it is in reasonable compliance with the 2007 Minnesota State Fire
Code and the 2004 edition of NFPA 58. Futrell Fire Consult and Design Inc. (FFCDI) is
involved in the review of this submittal based on your city’s contract with us to provide plan
review services to the City of Mounds View. Any comments in this review should be considered
recommendations for your consideration, since FFCDI is not the Authority Having Jurisdiction
for fire protection issues in the City of Mounds View, nor is FFCDI the engineer or designer of
record for this project.
The scope of this review is limited to the three relocated stationary LP gas tanks with related
piping and should not be considered a comprehensive review of all applicable Building and Fire
Code provisions for this project (egress, height and area, type of construction, fire department
access, fire protection systems, local requirements, etc. were not reviewed). Plan review for the
cylinder loading dock and office building, other than as they relate to the tank installation, are
outside the scope of this work.
Any opinion of compliance should in no way be construed as approval or acceptance of the
submittal until it has received approval from the City of Mounds View. This letter does not
authorize the contractor to purchase materials or begin installation on the project. Finally, this
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review is based on evaluation with the codes and standards applicable to Minnesota and does not
include determining compliance with provisions in bid documents, contracts, health and safety
standards, environmental provisions, or insurance standards.
MATERIALS REVIEWED
This review is based on the following materials submitted to FFCDI:
• Boundary Topographic Survey prepared by Metro Land Surveying and Engineering dated
5/23/07 (1 page).
• Fourteen .pdf files containing product information – various dates.
• Worksheets for the Ferrellgas Product Release Prevention and Incident Preparedness
Review, undated (39 pages).
• Ferrellgas Risk Management plan document containing a Fire Safety Analysis based upon
the 2001 edition of NFPA 58 (90 pages).
• Piping layout drawing produced by Burns & McDonnell dated 07-27-07 (1 page).
• Mounds View plan review comments dated February 21, 2007 (1 page).
• Twelve .pdf files representing a portion of the Ferrellgas Safety and Technical Support
Policy Manual for Tank Installations dated 8/00.
The following items represent questions or issues dealing with the submitted materials:
1. The manufacturer’s data sheets show dozens of different model numbers, sizes, types,
finishes or configurations, with no indication as to which specific items are to be
installed.
2. It is also necessary to recognize that no complete detailed drawing of the actual proposed
tank piping was submitted for review which shows what components are to be used
where. A number of manufacturer’s data sheets were provided, along with a limited
number of typical installation detail sketches. These provided only a general overview of
the installation, while showing a range of possible installation configurations, thus failing
to identify the actual final installation configuration for this project. No installation
drawings were specific to this three tank manifold installation with connection to a
loading dock.
3. No drawings or information other than a site sketch were provided for the outside
cylinder storage, the cylinder loading dock, or the office building and as such their
review is limited to spacing criteria relating to the tank installation. A detailed review of
these areas is outside the scope of the current work, but as we discussed on the phone last
week and at your request, I’m including a few additional observations relating to the
exterior cylinder storage and cylinder loading dock for your consideration.
4. As indicated above, the submission includes a portion of the Ferrellgas Safety and
Technical Support Policy Manual for Tank Installations. Nowhere is it indicated that
Ferrellgas will follow the internal policies included in the manual, requiring the plan
reviewer to infer that the guidance will be incorporated. If the provided twelve policy
chapters are forming the basis for how this system will be installed, then the submission
should state so and the chapters incorporated into the permit requirements.
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5. Over 30 pages of Fisher data sheets were provided for pressure regulators, including ones
intended for residential service, yet there is no indication as to where the regulators will
be used or what types will be installed.
6. No data was provided on the REGO A751 primary shutoff valve indicated in the Incident
Prevention Review.
7. Other than the tanks, it is expected that all other components will be new and not reused.
Where the submission or this review is silent on equipment, installation methods, procedures, or
other fire and safety provisions, it is expected that Ferrellgas will be in compliance with the
codes and standards adopted in Minnesota as identified below. It is expected that this review
would need to be modified based on information not included in the above list, should all of the
relevant material not be provided.
STANDARDS USED TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW
This plan review is based on the following standards as adopted in Minnesota:
• Minnesota State Fire Code (2007) comprised of the 2006 International Fire Code plus state
amendments (MSFC).
• Minnesota State Building Code (2007) comprised of the 2006 International Building Code,
plus state amendments (SBC).
• 2004 edition of NFPA 58, LP-Gas Code, as adopted and amended in Minnesota.
No additional City of Mounds View ordinances or policies were identified to use for this review.
RESULT OF THE PLAN REVIEW – GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH NFPA 58
This plan review will first address general compliance with the requirements found in the 2004
edition of NFPA 58, then will focus on the Product Release Prevention and Incident
Preparedness Review, also known as an Incident Prevention Review or Fire Safety Analysis.
Tank Installation
1. Tank construction and marking – NFPA 58 Section 5.2.1.1 addresses the types of tanks
and construction standards for LP-gas usage. No information was provided in the
submission relating to the construction of these three tanks manufactured in 1956, other
than to indicate they are ASME. Given that the tanks are over a half century old,
Ferrellgas should provide verification that the tanks meet the design, fabrication, testing
and marking requirements and are still qualified for LP-gas service according to the
ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section VIII (or clearly indicate if a different
standard is used). Reuse of tanks fabricated to earlier editions of regulations, rules, codes,
or standards, but reinstalled as part of a new installation, should be considered in the risk
assessment for this facility (if applicable).
2. Pressure Relief Valve Sizing – Exact tank surface areas were not indicated, nor is the
proposed size of the emergency pressure relief valve on each tank given, thus it was not
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possible to verify that the relief valve sizing is adequate for this installation according to
NFPA 58 Table 5.7.2.5. Multiple pages of manufacturer’s data on relief valves were
provided with no indication as to which valve model, size, or flow rate is to be installed.
3. Tank Appurtenances – NFPA 58 allows a number of configurations for vapor and liquid
openings, yet the submission isn’t specific as to which option will be used. For example,
in the Incident Prevention Review Emergency Controls Section on Page 2, boxes #1 and
#4 are both checked, leading to confusion if internal valves will be used or external
emergency shutoff valves are. The generic tank installation details provided to show the
piping also show multiple combinations of valves forming code complying designs, thus
it isn’t clear WHICH option is used. Is it intended that the installation also complies with
the Ferrellgas Safety and Technical Support Policy Manual for Tank Installations? If so,
only internal valves are used, thus for tank openings the submission would appear to be
in substantial compliance with NFPA 58.
4. Piping – NFPA 58 Section 5.8 addresses piping and there is no information in the
submission on the type of pipe, tubing or hose used, construction materials,
specifications, etc. Is it intended that the installation also comply with the Ferrellgas
Safety and Technical Support Policy Manual for Tank Installations? If so, it appears the
submission would be in substantial compliance with NFPA 58.
5. Tank Separation Distances – As shown on the plot plan, a minimum 50 foot clearance is
provided to property lines, buildings, etc. and as a result is in substantial compliance with
NFPA 58 Section 6.3.
6. Separation Distances to Transfer Operations – Spacing requirements for points of transfer
contained in NFPA 58 Table 6.5.3 apply to the cylinder loading dock. If the office
building is constructed of anything other than minimum one-hour fire-resistive exterior
walls, it appears to be less than the 25 feet required by NFPA 58 Table 6.5.3 (B).
Similarly, the outside storage is too close to containers being filled and doesn’t provide
the minimum 10 foot separation required by NFPA 58 Table 6.5.3 (I) and Section
6.16.2.1.
7. Protection From Damage – No information was provided to review concerning protection
from damage as required by NFPA 58 Sections 6.6.1.2, 6.10.8 and MSFC Section 312
(adequacy will need to be verified on site).
8. Container Support – No information was provided to review concerning container
support as required by NFPA 58 Section 6.6.3. Is it intended that the installation also
comply with the Ferrellgas Safety and Technical Support Policy Manual for Tank
Installations? If so, container supports would be in substantial compliance with NFPA 58.
9. Emergency Shut Off Valves and Remote Manual Shutoff Stations – are not shown on the
plot plan, thus compliance with NFPA 58 Section 6.10 will need to be verified on site.
Proper separation distances are indicated in the submission, but due to a lack of a
drawing showing their location, it isn’t possible to review the locations to assure they are
not blocked, are in the direction of egress, and are visible.
10. Electrical Equipment – No information on extent of electrically rated equipment, etc. was
provided, thus compliance with NFPA 58 Sections 6.16.4 and 6.20.2 could not be
verified (the Incident Prevention Review does indicate the electrical equipment and
wiring will be installed according to NFPA 58 and NFPA 70, however).
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11. Inspection, Operations and Maintenance – No detailed plans or procedures specific to
this facility were provided to evaluate NFPA 58 compliance. Portions of a plan were
included in the Ferrellgas policies provided and if followed, would appear to provide
substantial compliance in those areas addressed.
Cylinder Loading Dock and Outside Cylinder Storage
No detailed design information is provided on the construction, piping, mechanical systems, or
fire protection features associated with the cylinder loading dock. Given that many LP-gas bulk
plants are constructed in out state areas without Building Code enforcement, there is sometimes
a failure to realize the construction provisions that may apply. If the cylinder loading dock meets
the definition of a building, then it will most likely be a High Hazard, Group H-2, occupancy and
fall under the requirements of SBC Sections 307, 414 and 415.6.3. Buildings housing H-2
occupancies would be expected to address code provisions for suppression systems, type of
construction, separation from other buildings/occupancies, and finally explosion control (see
SBC Section 414.5.1, for example).
According to Chapter 27’s Scope in the MSFC, the hazardous materials requirements in the IFC
apply to LP-gas even when regulated elsewhere in the Code. The following are a few of the
provisions you’ll want to consider in reviewing the dock and outside cylinder storage:
1. Permit requirements – especially limitations placed on the storage quantities, locations,
heights, etc.
2. Hazardous Materials Management Plan (MSFC Section 2701.5.1)
3. Hazardous Materials Inventory Statement (MSFC Section 2701.5.2).
4. Quantity Limits for Outside Storage (MSFC Table 2703.1.1(3). For outdoor cylinder
storage exceeding the Maximum Allowable Quantities in MSFC Table 2703.1.1(3),
MSFC Chapter 2704 applies and specifically Section 2704.11 on clearances to
combustibles.
5. Required leak detection and emergency shut off or excess flow for the cylinder loading
dock (MSFC Section 2703.2, including 2703.2.2.1(6)).
6. MSFC Section 2705 for Use, Dispensing and Handling when exceeding the Maximum
Allowable Quantities in the cylinder loading dock.
7. Chapter 30 in the MSFC on compressed gases also applies to LP-gas.
There are only a few fire safety requirements in the adopted codes specific to the outdoor storage
of LP-gas cylinders at a bulk plant. Chapter 8 of the 2004 edition of NFPA 58 contains
provisions on the storage of cylinders awaiting use, resale or exchange, but there is an exception
to indicate this chapter doesn’t apply to storage of cylinders at bulk plants. This leaves few
adopted provisions related to quantities that can be stored, pile size and height, storage
configuration, distances to combustibles, separation from buildings, and distances to property
lines. It is recommended more details on the exterior cylinder storage be provided to allow a
review of these items. Long term limitations to the outside cylinder storage could be addressed in
the permit, Hazardous Materials Management Plan, or zoning.
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Realize further that the Fire Safety Analysis submitted for review only addresses the three above
ground tanks and is not intended to address the cylinder loading dock or outside storage. As
such, issues like required water supply, necessary fire department response levels, storage of new
style composite cylinders, risk to and from exterior exposures (i.e. buildings and the mobile
home park), access, and storage limitations are not addressed.
EVALUATION OF THE INCIDENT PREVENTION REVIEW
Two different versions of a Product Release Prevention and Incident Preparedness Review (i.e.
Incident Prevention Review or Fire Safety Analysis) were submitted and although similar, the
two are not identical. The older version contains 90 pages and is based on the 2001 edition of
NFPA 58, while the version consisting of only 39 pages of worksheets appears to be based on
the 2004 edition of NFPA 58. Neither document is dated, so it was not possible to determine
absolutely which analysis governs, so for purposes of this review the 39 pages using the 2004
edition of NFPA 58 will be used as the basis for compliance with NFPA 58 Section 6.23.3 which
states:
6.23.3.1 Fire protection shall be provided for installations with an aggregate water
capacity of more than 4000 gal and of ASME containers on roofs.
6.23.3.2 The modes of fire protection shall be specified in a written product release
prevention and incident preparedness review.
The following represent the comments and observations I have relating to the Incident
Prevention Review:
1. Miscellaneous Storage and Vehicles Section (page 8) – This section indicates there are
nearly 1,900 containers that will be on site, both full and empty, with a combined
capacity potentially exceeding 200,000 lbs (47,000 gallons) of propane. As already
discussed, the Incident Prevention Review doesn’t include release scenarios or hazard
introduced by the outside storage. Likewise, water application to the outside storage
during a fire is not factored into the analysis. The number of cylinders identified on page
1 of the Summary worksheet conflicts with this section.
2. Emergency Controls Section (page 2) – There is a conflict between the top of the table
which indicates that the “product control system meets alternate redundant, fail-safe
requirements” and line #11 below which is marked no, yet is required for the redundant,
fail-safety system. This also conflicts with the information on page 1 of the Summary.
Ferrellgas needs to clarify if complete redundant, fail-safe protection according to NFPA
58 is provided.
3. Physical Protection and Other Measures Section (page 1) – Line #2 is marked N/A, yet is
required to be addressed according to NFPA 58 Sections 6.16.5 and 6.23.2.1. A security
plan and training should be developed and approved prior to occupancy.
4. Points of Transfer Section (page 5) – The minimum separation distances in lines #1 and
#10 are not provided according to the site diagram. This was discussed earlier in the
section of this review relating to separation distances to transfer operations.
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5. Special Protection Section (page 6 and 7) – The boxes indicating “no passive special
protection is used” and “no active special protection is used” are checked, thus
identifying that no additional fire protection above code minimum is planned for this
installation. There is no discussion or analysis to indicate how this was determined or to
support such a conclusion. Exactly the opposite, this conflicts with the Exposures to
Facility From External Hazards worksheet (page 3) – which indicates there is a hazard to
the LP-Gas facility from the adjacent metal cutting, welding, and metal fabrication
building. The conclusion of the analysis that no additional fire protection is necessary is
in conflict with results of other worksheets, including water supply and fire department
response.
6. Types of Exposure Section (page 1) - A large mobile home park is located within 500
feet of the proposed installation, yet was not included in the analysis.
7. Exposures to Facility from External Hazards (page 3) – A hazard was determined to exist
from the adjacent metal cutting, welding and metal fabrication building, yet there is no
indication as to the steps that are proposed to be taken to address the hazard. The analysis
also fails to include the hazard from the adjacent high piled combustible storage (i.e.
nothing in the worksheet analysis or hazard calculation deals with an exposure from a
three dimensional warehouse fire).
8. Potential Release Scenarios Section (page 4) - The product release scenarios in the
Incident Prevention Review are generic (the default ones from the analysis workbook)
and do not cover the actual site conditions or piping arrangements, nor do they include
releases from three tanks interconnected via a manifold, the container filling operation, or
outdoor storage of 1,900 cylinders.
9. Fire Department Capabilities Section (page 2) – Line items #6 and #7 are blank.
10. Fire Department Response Time Section (page 3) – As provided by the City, it is
expected that 11 to 15 minutes are necessary from alarm receipt to arrival on the scene
and doesn’t include additional time necessary for establishing a water supply, pulling
hoses, operating pumps and applying water. Suffice to say it is even longer than 11 to 15
minutes for water to be applied to a tank if the initial incident involves ignition of any
release (i.e. a fire happens at the start of an incident). Such a result should have sounded
warning bells for the person conducting the analysis, but it didn’t, and neither did the
guidance in the NFPA/NPGA Manual for conducting such an analysis under the 2004
edition of NFPA 58. Here is what page 8-7 of the NFPA/NPGA Fire Safety Analysis
Manual for LP-Gas Storage Facilities indicates when evaluating fire department response
time [note: the same language is in the Ferrellgas Policy version of the analysis manual]:
…If the capability to apply cooling water within the first 10 minutes of initial fire
exposure to the container is not present, extremely dangerous conditions could
begin to develop. Note that it will take several minutes after the apparatus arrives
at the facility gate before cooling water is actually applied to the containers and
that hand held hose lines will be used with water supplied from the water tank on
the apparatus….
This analysis has therefore ignored the fact that the fire department response time for
water application will exceed the time for development of “extremely hazardous
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conditions”, while still not recommending that any additional fire protection be provided
over and above code minimum.
11. Water Flow Rate Section (page 4) – this table indicates that a total of 854 gpm is
necessary to cool the containers and for firefighter protection when approaching
containers. This value is NOT conservative in that it ignores additional water for
protection of transport trucks, the cylinder loading dock, outside storage, and the office
building. Likewise, the flow rates calculated for tank cooling are dangerously low, given
the technically unsupported assumption that only one-half of any tank will require
cooling water. No authoritative document or study could be found to justify an
assumption that the fire department will only need to apply cooling water to one-half of
an LP tank, while leaving the remainder dry.
12. There are references in the analysis to a pneumatic system that only opens the internal
tank valves during product transfer. Design details for this should be confirmed by
Ferrellgas and field verified that they meet NFPA 58 requirements.
13. The impact of a security breach is required to be considered by the analysis according to
NFPA 58 Section 6.23.2.1, but was not.
14. A critical item ignored by the analysis is the limited fire department access that is
available, which is basically one road into the area via Mustang Drive. Long Lake
Regional Park on the west and large industrial buildings on the north and south greatly
constrain the fire department incident commander’s options when dealing with an
incident at this site. NFPA 58 Section A.6.23.3 recommends site congestion be
considered as part of an analysis.
SUMMARY
Based on the Ferrellgas Safety and Technical Support Policies provided with the submission, it
is clear that Ferrellgas takes a proactive approach to safety and intends to meet or exceed the
minimum adopted codes when their policies are followed. The difficulty with this review,
however, is the lack of drawings, reports, or specifications indicating exactly how this
installation will come together. Several requests were made to obtain the design information
typical for such an installation, and due to its absence, will require field verification of much of
the installation. If the assumptions made in this plan review are not correct (i.e. container
support, tank appurtenances, internal valves, inspection, testing, and maintenance, and so on)
then the design does not appear to be complete or in substantial compliance with the adopted
codes. Ferrellgas must realize that any code required changes found in the field will need to be
made at their expense.
A thorough examination of the Incident Prevention Review has been conducted and based on the
information available; I am unable to support Ferrellgas’ conclusion in the Review that
additional fire protection is not necessary for this installation. The Review is not internally
consistent in that it doesn’t follow its own recommendations or address identified hazards. It is
for this reason that I strongly recommend additional fire protection over and above the code
minimum requirements be provided and as supported by the following:
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1. Fire department response time and creation of hazardous conditions before cooling water
can be applied.
2. Site congestion, including limited fire department access (wind direction may preclude
access in the one available direction), and adjacent buildings.
3. Exposure and increased opportunity for product release from the outside storage and
cylinder filling dock.
4. Hazards from adjacent exposures as indicated in the analysis.
5. Non-conservative water supply requirements determined by the analysis.
6. Fire fighting resource needs and water supply discussions in the Incident Prevention
Review only apply to the three aboveground tanks – no consideration is given to fire
control for the cylinder filling dock or outside storage.
7. Hazards to surrounding occupancies, including the trailer park, are not considered in the
Incident Prevention Review for a fire involving the outdoor storage and the possibility of
rocketing containers (i.e. BLEVE).
NFPA 58 Sections 6.23.5 and 6.24 provide additional information on types of fire protection that
can be used to increase the level of safety for an installation and include:
• Passive protection such as tank insulation, mounding, or burial
• Active protection such as water sprays, monitor nozzles, etc.
• Redundant Fail-Safe Product Control Measures coupled with Low Emission Transfer
equipment intended to significantly reduce the opportunity for product release.
At least for the three tanks, the proposed design provides most of the provisions for Redundant
Fail-Safe Product Control already. Addressing the hazards from the cylinder filling dock and
outside storage are not as straight forward given they are not directly covered in NFPA 58. The
provisions for H-2 occupancies are a good start for the cylinder filling dock, while there is little
code background for how to store and protect large quantities of LP-gas cylinders stored outside.
Clearly additional information needs to be provided to you to address these areas so that you can
conduct an adequate plan review.
In order to assure that each item on the plan review has been complied with, it is recommended
that Ferrellgas be required to respond to each item in writing. If you have any questions, feel
free to contact me at the number indicated below.
Sincerely,
Rich Pehrson
Futrell Fire Consult and Design
612.590.5044
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Disclaimer
This review letter has been prepared by FFCDI based on the information available to us in the
submittal as provided by the client and is limited to a review of the tank installation drawings
and incident prevention review for this specific project. FFCDI has not inspected the current or
future building, construction or installation, classified occupancies, nor determined if the client
or building is in compliance with any laws, rules, codes or standards. FFCDI has also not
evaluated or inspected the installation as proposed nor determined its fitness for use.
The scope of this review is limited to that in the contract between the client and FFCDI and is
not to be used for other designs, locations, installations or situations outside those for which it
was intended. FFCDI is not responsible for implementation, interpretation or confirmation of
recommendations or requirements, including those indicated in this report, unless provided for in
additional contracts outside the scope of the current work. Should the client not retain the
services of FFCDI to review the implementation or any other use of this report through site
observation, inspection, or audits, then the client and any end users agree to assume full liability
and responsibility for the verification, implementation, interpretation, or any other use of this
review and its findings for any purpose.
Additionally, the recommendations in this review are based on responsible parties, other than
FFCDI, such as the contractor or building owner/operator maintaining the installation and fire
protection systems, providing the required maintenance, testing, inspection, housekeeping and
occupancy and storage in accordance with the provisions submitted for review by the contractor
and local, state and national laws, and nationally recognized standards, including those outlined
in this review or provided in the supplied documents.
Copyright FFCDI 2007.
October 4, 2006
To: Jim Ericson
Community Development Director
City of Mounds View
From: Eric Chalmers
Fedtech
4763 Mustang Circle
Mounds View, MN 55112
Re: Proposed Relocation of Ferrellgas
This letter is intended to present concerns that I have regarding the proposal to add a rail spur and
to locate Ferrellgas on the Tyson Company property just to the west of the Fedtech property.
This location borders our employee parking area.
I am a co-owner of the Fedtech property. There are over one hundred people working in the
building in a number of businesses that include precision machine shop, machine assembly and
electrical equipment service.
The areas of concern that I have regarding relocating Ferrellgas and adding the rail spur are as
follows:
1. Propane fumes from the facility may adversely affect employee health. We have several
employees that have chemical sensitivity issues. We cannot afford to lose these employees
and if there are health issues will we be compensated.
2. Hiring and retaining employees will become more difficult if there are propane related
smells that are pervasive and noxious.
3. Having an undesirable use adjacent to our property will have a negative impact on its
value.
4. The presence of chemicals at the facility may pose an environmental risk to the adjacent
wetland area and a safety risk to our building and employees.
5. Will the movement of rail cars or impact between rail cars introduce vibration into the
ground? Fedtech performs precision waterjet cutting with large computer controlled machines
that rely on anchoring to the concrete floor for stability. Any vibration from the rail cars will
adversely affect the accuracy of the parts that are cut.
I am against this proposal. The propane facility should be relocated to an area that is distant from
existing businesses and residences. Regarding the rail spur, what guarantees are there that there
will be no vibration introduced into the Fedtech building from car movement or abrupt stopping
of cars.
Sincerely,
Eric Chalmers
October 4, 2006
To: Jim Ericson
Community Development Director
City of Mounds View
From: Eric Chalmers
Fedtech
4763 Mustang Circle
Mounds View, MN 55112
Re: Proposed Relocation of Ferrellgas
This letter is intended to present concerns that I have regarding the proposal to add a rail spur and to
locate Ferrellgas on the Tyson Company property just to the west of the Fedtech property. This location
borders our employee parking area.
I am a co-owner of the Fedtech property. There are over one hundred people working in the building in a
number of businesses that include precision machine shop, machine assembly and electrical equipment
service.
The areas of concern that I have regarding relocating Ferrellgas and adding the rail spur are as follows:
1. Propane fumes from the facility may adversely affect employee health. We have several
employees that have chemical sensitivity issues. We cannot afford to lose these employees and if
there are health issues will we be compensated.
2. Hiring and retaining employees will become more difficult if there are propane related smells that
are pervasive and noxious.
3. Having an undesirable use adjacent to our property will have a negative impact on its value.
4. The presence of chemicals at the facility may pose an environmental risk to the adjacent wetland
area and a safety risk to our building and employees.
5. Will the movement of rail cars or impact between rail cars introduce vibration into the ground?
Fedtech performs precision waterjet cutting with large computer controlled machines that rely on
anchoring to the concrete floor for stability. Any vibration from the rail cars will adversely affect the
accuracy of the parts that are cut.
I am against this proposal. The propane facility should be relocated to an area that is distant from existing
businesses and residences. Regarding the rail spur, what guarantees are there that there will be no
vibration introduced into the Fedtech building from car movement or abrupt stopping of cars.
Sincerely,
Eric Chalmers
MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
RESOLUTION NO. 875-07
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
COUNTY OF RAMSEY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO
ALLOW FOR STORAGE OF FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS AT 4815 MUSTANG CIRCLE;
PLANNING CASE NO. CU2006-009
WHEREAS, 7T’s Management, LLC. has applied for a conditional use permit to
allow for storage of flammable liquids; and,
WHEREAS, the subject property, located at 4815 Mustang Circle, is zoned I-1,
Industrial, and is legally described as follows:
Mounds View Industrial Park No. 3, Subject to Easements; Lot 7, Block 1
WHEREAS, the Mounds View Zoning Code allows storage of flammable liquids as a
conditional use in Industrial districts; and,
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has reviewed the following documents
regarding this proposal:
1. Staff Report
2. Application
3. Zoning Map
4. Aerial View
5. Comp Plan Future Land Use Map
6. Proposed Site Plan
7. Futrell Fire Design review of Ferrellgas Risk Management Plan
WHEREAS, the City of Mounds View has contracted with Futrell Fire Design &
Consult, Inc. to review the risk management plan submitted by the applicant.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning
Commission makes the following findings of fact related to the conditional use permit
request:
1. The proposed location of the flammable liquids is within 700 feet of the
Townsedge Terrace Manufactured Home Park.
2. Fire Department response time for water application exceeds the time
outlined for development of extremely hazardous conditions as outlined
under NFPA 58.
Resolution 875-07
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3. Limited Fire Department access: Mustang Drive is the only road access into
this industrial park, and the Fire Department would be greatly constrained in
their ability to access all sides of this site due to the geography of the
neighboring park land and large industrial buildings that surround this
property.
4. The Futrell report indicates that the adjacent metal cutting and fabrication
businesses would be additional external hazards to the propane facility.
5. The request would not be consistent with the Mounds View Comprehensive
Plan in that the property at 4815 Mustang Circle is designated as Light
Industrial on the Future Land Use Map.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning
Commission recommends denial of the conditional use permit for the retail propane gas
facility:
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the Mounds View Planning Commission directs
staff to forward this resolution to the City Council prior to approval of the minutes.
Adopted this 7th day of November, 2007.
_____________________________________
Gary Stevenson, Chairperson
ATTEST:
____________________________________
James Ericson,
Community Development Director
(SEAL)
Item No: 6A
Meeting Date: November 7, 2007
Type of Business: Commission Business
City of Mounds View Staff Report
To: Mounds View Planning Commission
From: Heidi Heller, Planning Associate
Item Title/Subject: Planning Commission Term Expiration
The term of one commission member—Sherry Gunn-- expires at the end of the year. Sherry
was appointed to fill the one year remaining on Al Hull’s seat due to him being elected to the
City Council. The next term length for this seat will be the full three years. The City will
advertise the vacancy, with applications due by December 10, 2007.
The Planning Commission will review any applications at the December 19th meeting, and the
City Council will make the official appointment on January 14th.
Sincerely,
_________________________
Heidi Heller
Planning Associate