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MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
May 5, 2004 -- 7:00 P.M.
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approve Minutes: April 7, 2004
4. Citizens Requests and Comments on Items Not on the Agenda
CITIZENS: BEFORE SPEAKING, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM,
AND GIVE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE MINUTES
5. Planning Cases VR2004-003 and CU2004-001
Public Hearing and Consideration of Resolutions 756-04 and 757-05 Relating to a Variance for
a Tall Fence and a Conditional Use Permit for an Oversized Garage.
Address: 2208 Lois Drive
Applicants: Michael Read
6. Planning Cases MA2004-002, ZC2004-001 and DE2004-001
Public Hearing and Discussion Regarding a Major Subdivision, Zoning Amendment and
Development Review for a Proposed Retail Development
Address: 2800 County Road 10
Applicant: The Velmeir Companies
APPLICANTS: YOUR ATTENDANCE AT THIS MEETING IS REQUESTED.
PLEASE NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT
763-717-4020 IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
7. Next Planning Commission Meeting: May 19, 2004
8. Adjourn to Agenda Session.
AGENDA SESSION
1. Review Minutes: April 21, 2004
2. Staff Reports
3. Chairperson and Planning Commissioners’ Reports
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Item No: 5
Meeting Date: May 5, 2004
Type of Business: Public Hearing
City of Mounds View Staff Report
To: Mounds View Planning Commission
From: James Ericson, Community Development Director
Item Title/Subject: Public Hearing and Consideration of a Variance for a
Fence in Excess of Front Yard Height Allowances and
at 2208 Lois Drive; Planning Case No. VA2004-003
Introduction:
Property owner Michael Read is requesting a height variance for a six-foot fence to be
located in his front yard. Mr. Read indicates that the tall front yard fence is needed for
privacy purposes. The property is at the end of Lois Drive just before the cul-de-sac. The
lot is zoned R-1, Single Family Residential, is 15,681 square feet in area and has 147 feet of
street frontage. Adjacent to the lot to the west is Judicial Ditch #1 which runs under Lois
Drive through Greenfield Park. A two-car garage is attached to the house to the west and
there are two smaller outbuildings in the back yard.
Discussion:
Fences in residential districts are allowed to be up to eight feet tall in rear and side yards.
Any fence section that extends beyond the front face of the home toward the street (or
streets, for corner lots) shall not exceed four feet in height. An example of this is shown in
the diagram below.
Read Variance
May 5, 2004
Page 2
Variance Considerations:
For a variance to be approved, the applicant needs to demonstrate a hardship or practical
difficulty associated with the property that makes a literal interpretation of the Code overly
burdensome or restrictive. Minnesota statutes require that the governing body (the Planning
Commission, in this case) review a set of specified criteria for each application and make its
decision in accordance with these criteria. These criteria are set forth in Section 1125.02,
Subdivision 2, of the City Code. The Code clearly states that a hardship exists when all of
the criteria are met. Establishing a hardship for a fence is more problematic in that typically
the need for a taller fence is based on social factors rather than the physical features of a lot.
The hardship criteria are as follows:
a. Exceptional or extraordinary circumstances apply to the property which do not apply
generally to other properties in the same zone or vicinity and result from lot size or shape,
topography or other circumstances over which the owners of the property since the effective
date hereof have had no control.
The motivating basis for this variance request is not property based but socially
based. As a result, this particular criteria and some others to follow are not
particularly applicable. The homes on this cul-de-sac have typical setbacks and
nothing of a physical nature presents an extraordinary issue for the applicant.
b. The literal interpretation of the provisions of this Title would deprive the applicant of rights
commonly enjoyed by other properties in the same district under the terms of this Title.
While the literal interpretation of the provisions of the Zoning Code would not deprive
the applicant of typical rights enjoyed by other properties in the same zone, the
applicant seeks relief to be able to use his property in a more comfortable manner.
c. The special conditions or circumstances do not result from the actions of the applicant.
The applicant indicates that he would rather not install a six-foot tall fence in his
front yard however the actions of others have prompted the request.
d. Granting the variance requested would not confer on the applicant any special privilege that
is denied by this Title to owners of other lands, structures or buildings in the same district.
Granting the variance would not confer upon the property owner a special privilege in
that every property owner has the right to apply for a variance to seek relief from the
literal application of the zoning codes. While true that the Planning Commission has
not before granted approval for a tall fence, one such request was granted by the
City Council.
e. The variance requested is the minimum variance which would alleviate the hardship.
Economic conditions alone shall not be considered a hardship.
Read Variance
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The applicant is requesting a two-foot variance to have a six-foot tall fence where a
four-foot fence is permitted. The applicant indicates that six feet is the minimum to
alleviate his hardship.
f. The variance would not be materially detrimental to the purpose of this Title or to other
property in the same zone.
Granting a variance to allow the six-foot tall fence all the way to the front of the
property could, in any other area, pose a problem in terms of vehicle visibility. One of
the reasons tall fences are not allowed in front yards is to ensure motorists have
ample opportunity to be aware of their surroundings to improve safety. Another
reason is to foster neighborhood aesthetics—tall fences surrounding properties do
not project an open and inviting environment. That said, given the limited number of
properties in this area that could be affected, a taller fence would not necessarily be
detrimental to the purpose and intent of the Zoning Code.
g. The proposed variance will not impair an adequate supply of light and air to adjacent
property or substantially increase the congestion of the public streets or increase the danger
of fire or endanger the public safety or substantially diminish or impair property values within
the neighborhood.
The proposed fence would block the view of the property to the east, however no
other properties would be affected. Property values however would not be impacted
by the proposed fence.
Recommendation:
After holding the public hearing and taking testimony from staff, the property owner and
affected neighbors, the Commission will need to direct staff in one of three ways
regarding this request:
1. Draft a resolution to approve the variance as requested or as mutually amended.
2. Draft a resolution to deny the request based on the lack of demonstrated hardship or
practical difficulty.
3. Seek out additional information to clarify the request.
Respectfully submitted,
_____________________________________
James Ericson
Community Development Director
Zoning Map
* Properties not indicated with a particular zoning designation are zoned R-1, Single Family Residential.
Photographic Documentation
This is a view of the subject property and the area between the two
homes in which the fence would be located. The brown vertical line is
intended to generally represent the fence. (is not to scale.)
Aerial View
Site Plan
This line represents the east side of the
applicant’s property, along which the
applicant would like to install a six-foot tall
fence. That part of the fence in front of the
house would require approval of a variance.
The part of the fence behind the house is
permitted.
Item No: 6
Meeting Date: May 5, 2004
Type of Business: Public Hearing and Discussion
City of Mounds View Staff Report
To: Mounds View Planning Commission
From: Kristin Prososki, Planning Associate
Item Title/Subject: Public Hearing and Review of a Proposed Major Subdivision,
Rezoning and Development Review of Land Located at the
Southwest Corner of the Intersection of County Highway 10
and Silver Lake Road; Planning Case MA2004-002, DE2004-
001 and ZC2004-001
Introduction:
The Velmeir Companies, represented by Jim LaValle, has submitted an application for a major
subdivision, rezoning and development review of the land at the southwest corner of the
intersection of County Highway 10 and Silver Lake Road, the former Amoco gasoline station.
The site has 5.54 acres. The parcels are currently zoned B-3, R-3 and R-4. The applicant is
requesting that portions of the R-3 and R-4 parcels be rezoned to B-3. The proposed use for
the development is a CVS Pharmacy.
Background:
This site at 2800 Highway 10 is currently vacant and was formerly a BP Amoco gasoline
station. Three underground storage tanks, the associated piping and contaminated soils were
removed from the site on June 7, 2001.
Subdivision Discussion:
The applicant is proposing to develop a CVS Pharmacy on the former Amoco site. The plat
area involves four parcels, with the former Amoco site consisting of two parcels that would
be combined along with portions of two surrounding parcels (collectively referred to as “CVS
parcel”). The CVS parcel (Lot 2 on Preliminary Plat) would consist of the two Amoco parcels
and a small triangular shaped piece from the parcel directly south of it, which is owned by
Michael Fox. In addition, the CVS parcel would also have a portion of the lot directly to the
west of it, which has roughly fifty-five (55) feet of frontage on Highway 10, but then gets
significantly wider two hundred fifty (250) feet to the south. The CVS parcel would absorb
thirty (30) feet of the long narrow portion and approximately 23,622 square feet for on-site
ponding. The CVS parcel would have a total area of 95,092 square feet. Silverview Terrace,
the 23-unit apartment building owned by Michael Fox (Lot 3) would decrease in size to
53,165 ft square feet. The property located at 2832 Highway 10 (Lot 1), otherwise known as
the Pak Building, would be altered by adding additional square footage from the flag shaped
lot. This lot would increase in area to 56,313 square feet. The building on Lot 1 does not
currently meet the side setback requirements; adding the additional square feet will allow the
building to conform to code. The plat shows that Lot 1 also gains a long, narrow strip of land
(roughly 25’ by 480’) extending to the south. The “tail” of Lot 1 is unusable space and may
pose maintenance problems in the future. Staff has communicated to the applicant that the
“tail” be deleted from Lot 1 and added to Lots 2 and 4. Lot 4 of the plat is the remnant parcel
left from the original flag lot. The plat as submitted would land-lock Lot 4, rendering it
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May 5, 2004
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unusable unless it is further subdivided and added to an existing lot. The current landowners
have expressed a desire to leave the parcel natural to act as a buffer from the new
development area, however there is a possibility that Lot 4 could be used in the future for
additional ponding for the area. Lot 4 has a proposed area of 36,687 square feet. Staff
recommends Lot 4 be renamed Outlot A.
The Zoning Code requires that R-4, High Density Residential and R-3, Medium Density
Residential lots have a minimum area of 11,000 square feet. Lot 4 (to be renamed Outlot A)
will remain zoned R-3 and will have an area of 36,687 square feet, although the lot could
decrease in size if the CVS pond needs to be expanded. Lots 1 and 2 will be zoned B-3,
Highway Business. Code only requires that the lot size be sufficient for the building to meet
the required setbacks. Lot 1 has an existing building that does not meet the side setback
requirement of ten (10) feet on the east side. The proposed plat would add twenty-five (25)
feet to the east side, thereby allowing the building to meet that setback requirement. The
CVS Pharmacy is proposed for Lot 2. The building satisfies all setback requirements and
therefore the lot meets the size requirement.
As shown on the plat, Lot 3 (Silverview Terrace) would NOT meet the City’s minimum lot
area requirements. The Zoning Code requires that there be 2,500 square feet of land for
every dwelling unit on the lot. Silverview Terrace has 23 dwellings, thus the minimum area
for the complex is 57,500 square feet. At 53,165 square feet, the lot would be 4,335 square
feet below the minimum. To correct this deficiency, staff would recommend that the shared
lot line between Lots 3 and 4 be shifted to the west by approximately 15 feet. Lot 4 will
maintain the R-4 zoning designation.
Plat Format. The preliminary plat itself is lacking in detail and will need to be further refined
to reflect all of the data necessary for preliminary plat submissions. Further, the general
notes indicated on the plat do not match up with the plat, as if the notes were left over form a
previous plat design. The following is a list of revisions that will be necessary before action
can occur on the preliminary plat:
• Name of the Plat
• Existing and Proposed Legal description of the properties
• Existing and proposed lot dimensions
• All existing lot lines need to be shown
• Survey data, including measured distances and corner angles
• Easement over pond area
• Shift common lot line between Lots 3 and 4 to the west by approximately 15 feet
Park Dedication Fees: Park dedication fees are applicable for this subdivision, in an amount
equivalent to ten percent of the market value of the land being developed. Lot 2 of the plat,
the CVS parcel, is the only Lot that would be more intensely developed than its current use.
Therefore, Staff recommends that the park dedication fee be applied to the market value of
proposed Lot 2 based on per square-foot land value of $8.05. Lot 2 has an area of 95,092
square feet thus has a value of $765,490. The park dedication fee for this development is
$76,549 which amounts to 10% of the land value. The City Council however has the
discretion to choose another method for determining the value of the property and may
choose to exercise that right when they are reviewing the plat.
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May 5, 2004
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Development Review Discussion:
Setbacks: As stated, the proposed building does meet setback requirements. Below is a
chart displaying the required and proposed building and parking setbacks for the CVS
building:
Building Setbacks Required Proposed Compliance
Front (Highway 10) 30 feet 75 feet Yes
Front (Silver Lake Rd) 30 feet 115 feet Yes
Side (south) (abuts Res.) 20 feet 21 feet Yes
Rear (west) 20 feet 46 feet Yes
Parking Lot Setbacks
Front (Highway 10) 5 feet* 5 feet Yes
Front (Silver Lake Rd.) 5 feet* 5 feet Yes
Rear (west) 2 feet* 65 feet Yes
*This property was granted a parking setback variance in November of 2003.
Parking: The proposed site plan shows a total of 88 regular parking stalls and 3 handicapped
parking stalls. The Code requires one stall for every 100 square feet of retail sales area,
plus one for every employee. The CVS Pharmacy would have 9898 square feet of retail
area and roughly 7 employees during one shift. Based on Code requirements, this
development would be required to have 106 parking stalls. The proposed parking does not
satisfy this requirement. The Code, however, has a provision for proof of parking. Section
1121.14 of the Zoning Code allows a reduction in parking area if approved by the City
Council. To be considered for a reduction, there are requirements that must be met,
including that the space must be designated as proof of parking and not used for other uses.
In addition, the number of reduced spaces cannot exceed 15% of the required amount. In
this case, 15% of the required amount is 16 stalls. The proposed parking is 18 stalls short of
the requirements, therefore, in order to meet the code requirements, 2 additional stalls will
need to be added and a proof of parking area will need to be designated with room for 16
stalls. Staff is recommending that the 2 additional spaces be added along the northeast side
of the building. The proof of parking could possibly be located near the pond area, if that
area were redesigned to accommodate it.
Drainage: The site would be serviced by a series of catch basins that drain into an on-site
infiltration pond. There would be a culvert in the infiltration pond that connects to a larger
adjacent pond. The larger pond has been designed to contain water up until the 100-year
storm level. If the water level were ever to reach the 100-year level or higher, there is a
culvert at the high water mark that would then drain the overflow water to the Highway 10
median. The developer has been given permission by Ramsey County to utilize the median
for this purpose. Before any construction is to occur, the developer will need to submit to the
City copies of all required county permits. The Public Works department and SEH, the City’s
engineering consultant, are reviewing the grading and draining plans, although staff is not
anticipating any problems with the drainage as proposed. The developer submitted the
plans to Rice Creek Watershed on April 8, 2004. City approval will of course be contingent
upon Rice Creek Watershed’s approval.
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May 5, 2004
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Utilities: Sanitary sewer lines are present in the Silver Lake Road right of way and water is
present in the Highway 10 and Silver Lake Road right of way. The proposed lots would be
served by underground electric and phone, as required by the City’s subdivision regulations.
The City’s Fire Marshal is reviewing the plans to verify if the current hydrants on site are
adequate for the proposed development.
Building Exterior: The proposed CVS building has a 13,013 square foot footprint. The height
of the building is 23 feet with the entryway height extended up to 29 feet. The materials used
would be a combination of brick and EFIS (Exterior Finish Insulation System). EFIS has been
used in other recent projects in Mounds View, including the LandCor retail and office
buildings near the theater. The main entrance of the building is oriented toward the corner
of the property and will be accentuated by a taller roof treatment and a slight archway. Along
either side of the main entrance are nine windows. The slight arch is carried throughout the
exterior of the building and adds nice detail to the EFIS material. Brick columns frame many
of the arches and help to break up the façade of the building.
Landscaping: A landscaping plan was submitted on April 20, 2004. The plan calls for a total
of twenty-six (26) trees and sixty-four (64) shrubs. In addition, the plan also shows118
perennials, plus mixed annuals to be added by the owner. All disturbed areas will have sod,
including the area surrounding the pond. The City Forester is currently reviewing the
proposed landscape plan and will provide comment on the proposed species. City approval
of the development review will be contingent upon the forester’s approval.
Garbage Enclosure: A garbage enclosure is shown on the plans on the north side of the CVS
building. The enclosure is roughly eight (8) feet in height and is located so that it will not
obstruct the drive-through traffic. Specific plans for the enclosure were not submitted,
however, the elevations show a material similar to chain link. Staff is recommending that the
City require the enclosure to be constructed of the same materials as the building. In
addition, there is also a compactor on sight that will be screened with the same material as
the garbage enclosure. Chain link fencing is not permitted enclosure material.
Lighting: A photometric analysis of the site was submitted for review. Section 1103.09 of the
Code states that all lighting shall be hooded and that any light that casts light on a public
street shall not exceed one (1) foot-candle as measured from the center line of the street. In
addition, it states that light cast on residential property must not exceed four-tenths (0.4)
foot-candles. Although the street center line is not shown, based on measurements, Staff
concludes that the foot-candle reading is no greater than four-tenths (0.4) at the Highway 10
center line and five-tenths (0.5) at the Silver Lake Road centerline. Residential property is
located to the south of this parcel. While the foot-candle readings are slightly higher than
what the Code allows at the property line, staff believes the minimal light spillage would not
affect the residents in that the dwellings are separated from the CVS site by the bank of
garage stalls and a distance of 175 feet. While the specifications of the lighting to be used is
included, the pole height is not indicated.
Signage: A sign plan was not submitted at this time, however, the Code allows properties
within the B-3, Highway Business district to have one hundred (100) square feet of wall
signage per occupant and two hundred (200) square feet of ground signage per building. It
appears that the signage shown on the elevation plans would exceed City allowances.
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Traffic: The proposed development will increase the number of vehicles traveling through the
intersection of Silver Lake Road and County Road 10. The developer indicates that a typical
CVS Pharmacy generates roughly 195 vehicle trips per day. The site is currently vacant, but
the previous use was a gasoline station. Estimated vehicle trips per day for a gasoline
station are 845. Although the proposed development will add more traffic than the current
use, it will not have as much of a traffic impact as the previous use. While many CVS
customers will be use the right-in right-out onto County Road 10, those coming from the
south on County Road 10 or from the north on Red Oak Drive will need to pass through the
intersection which is controlled by Ramsey County. Even with the additional traffic resulting
from the development of a CVS, staff does not anticipate degradation in the “level of service”
at the intersection.
There are two proposed access points to the CVS site. One access is off of County Road10,
one hundred ninety-five (195) feet from the east corner of the lot (nearest to intersection).
The second access point is from Silver Lake Road and is one hundred thirty-eight (138) feet
from the east corner of the lot. These access points should allow for good traffic flow
through the parking area and drive-through. Staff believes that the two curb cuts will provide
sufficient access and egress from the proposed site.
Rezoning Discussion:
When considering a rezoning, the Planning Commission must determine two things: whether
the proposed zoning is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and whether or not it would
be detrimental to the surrounding neighborhood. The Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use
Map designates this area as mixed use planned unit development (MU-PUD). An MU-PUD
is defined as, “Land containing a building or buildings with significant amounts of residential
uses in combination with commercial and/or office uses.” Although the site is not being
rezoned to PUD, this designation is somewhat consistent with the proposed subdivision in
the sense that a CVS Pharmacy would contribute to adding the commercial component to
the residential area.
Staff does not feel that the proposed rezoning would be detrimental to the surrounding area
because the proposed uses are similar to the surrounding uses. The area in question is
located on Highway 10, which typically has commercial uses adjacent to it. Lot 3 will
continue to be zoned R-4, which helps to buffer the commercial use. In addition, this area
has been used in the past as a commercial property and it was not detrimental to the
surrounding areas at that time.
The table below shows the current and proposed zoning of each of the four lots.
Current Zoning Proposed Zoning
Lot 1 B-3 and R-3 B-3
Lot 2 B-3, R-3 and R-4 B-3
Lot 3 R-4 R-4
Lot 4 R-3 R-3
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Public Comment: Thus far, Staff has only received one comment from the public. Jerry
Jaker of the Minnesota Institute of Public Health voiced a concern that the new development
would generate more traffic at an already busy intersection. He stated that his employees
already have a difficult time with the intersection under current circumstances and adding a
retail store to the area would create additional traffic problems. Public Works staff have
indicated that the amount of traffic from the CVS site should not worsen the existing
situation, however the intersection could be scheduled for an assessment and could be
redesigned with new traffic lights to improve flow if the County feels it is necessary Staff will
monitor the situation and take appropriate action if problems arise.
Recommendation:
Hold the public hearing and discuss the proposed preliminary plat and the associated issues
surrounding the subdivision and rezoning. Unless otherwise directed, Staff will prepare a
resolution of approval for consideration at the Commission’s next meeting on Wednesday,
May 19, 2004.
Respectfully submitted,
Kristin Prososki
Planning Associate
Attachments:
1. Application
2. Zoning Map
3. Location Map
4. Photographs
5. Plans Submitted on 4/14/04
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Item No: 6
Meeting Date: May 5, 2004
Type of Business: Public Hearing and Discussion
City of Mounds View Staff Report
To: Mounds View Planning Commission
From: Kristin Prososki, Planning Associate
Item Title/Subject: Public Hearing and Review of a Proposed Major Subdivision,
Rezoning and Development Review of Land Located at the
Southwest Corner of the Intersection of County Highway 10
and Silver Lake Road; Planning Case MA2004-002, DE2004-
001 and ZC2004-001
Introduction:
The Velmeir Companies, represented by Jim LaValle, has submitted an application for a major
subdivision, rezoning and development review of the land at the southwest corner of the
intersection of County Highway 10 and Silver Lake Road, the former Amoco gasoline station.
The site has 5.54 acres. The parcels are currently zoned B-3, R-3 and R-4. The applicant is
requesting that portions of the R-3 and R-4 parcels be rezoned to B-3. The proposed use for
the development is a CVS Pharmacy.
Background:
This site at 2800 Highway 10 is currently vacant and was formerly a BP Amoco gasoline
station. Three underground storage tanks, the associated piping and contaminated soils were
removed from the site on June 7, 2001.
Subdivision Discussion:
The applicant is proposing to develop a CVS Pharmacy on the former Amoco site. The plat
area involves four parcels, with the former Amoco site consisting of two parcels that would
be combined along with portions of two surrounding parcels (collectively referred to as “CVS
parcel”). The CVS parcel (Lot 2 on Preliminary Plat) would consist of the two Amoco parcels
and a small triangular shaped piece from the parcel directly south of it, which is owned by
Michael Fox. In addition, the CVS parcel would also have a portion of the lot directly to the
west of it, which has roughly fifty-five (55) feet of frontage on Highway 10, but then gets
significantly wider two hundred fifty (250) feet to the south. The CVS parcel would absorb
thirty (30) feet of the long narrow portion and approximately 23,622 square feet for on-site
ponding. The CVS parcel would have a total area of 95,092 square feet. Silverview Terrace,
the 23-unit apartment building owned by Michael Fox (Lot 3) would decrease in size to
53,165 ft square feet. The property located at 2832 Highway 10 (Lot 1), otherwise known as
the Pak Building, would be altered by adding additional square footage from the flag shaped
lot. This lot would increase in area to 56,313 square feet. The building on Lot 1 does not
currently meet the side setback requirements; adding the additional square feet will allow the
building to conform to code. The plat shows that Lot 1 also gains a long, narrow strip of land
(roughly 25’ by 480’) extending to the south. The “tail” of Lot 1 is unusable space and may
pose maintenance problems in the future. Staff has communicated to the applicant that the
“tail” be deleted from Lot 1 and added to Lots 2 and 4. Lot 4 of the plat is the remnant parcel
left from the original flag lot. The plat as submitted would land-lock Lot 4, rendering it
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unusable unless it is further subdivided and added to an existing lot. The current landowners
have expressed a desire to leave the parcel natural to act as a buffer from the new
development area, however there is a possibility that Lot 4 could be used in the future for
additional ponding for the area. Lot 4 has a proposed area of 36,687 square feet. Staff
recommends Lot 4 be renamed Outlot A.
The Zoning Code requires that R-4, High Density Residential and R-3, Medium Density
Residential lots have a minimum area of 11,000 square feet. Lot 4 (to be renamed Outlot A)
will remain zoned R-3 and will have an area of 36,687 square feet, although the lot could
decrease in size if the CVS pond needs to be expanded. Lots 1 and 2 will be zoned B-3,
Highway Business. Code only requires that the lot size be sufficient for the building to meet
the required setbacks. Lot 1 has an existing building that does not meet the side setback
requirement of ten (10) feet on the east side. The proposed plat would add twenty-five (25)
feet to the east side, thereby allowing the building to meet that setback requirement. The
CVS Pharmacy is proposed for Lot 2. The building satisfies all setback requirements and
therefore the lot meets the size requirement.
As shown on the plat, Lot 3 (Silverview Terrace) would NOT meet the City’s minimum lot
area requirements. The Zoning Code requires that there be 2,500 square feet of land for
every dwelling unit on the lot. Silverview Terrace has 23 dwellings, thus the minimum area
for the complex is 57,500 square feet. At 53,165 square feet, the lot would be 4,335 square
feet below the minimum. To correct this deficiency, staff would recommend that the shared
lot line between Lots 3 and 4 be shifted to the west by approximately 15 feet. Lot 4 will
maintain the R-4 zoning designation.
Plat Format. The preliminary plat itself is lacking in detail and will need to be further refined
to reflect all of the data necessary for preliminary plat submissions. Further, the general
notes indicated on the plat do not match up with the plat, as if the notes were left over form a
previous plat design. The following is a list of revisions that will be necessary before action
can occur on the preliminary plat:
• Name of the Plat
• Existing and Proposed Legal description of the properties
• Existing and proposed lot dimensions
• All existing lot lines need to be shown
• Survey data, including measured distances and corner angles
• Easement over pond area
• Shift common lot line between Lots 3 and 4 to the west by approximately 15 feet
Park Dedication Fees: Park dedication fees are applicable for this subdivision, in an amount
equivalent to ten percent of the market value of the land being developed. Lot 2 of the plat,
the CVS parcel, is the only Lot that would be more intensely developed than its current use.
Therefore, Staff recommends that the park dedication fee be applied to the market value of
proposed Lot 2 based on per square-foot land value of $8.05. Lot 2 has an area of 95,092
square feet thus has a value of $765,490. The park dedication fee for this development is
$76,549 which amounts to 10% of the land value. The City Council however has the
discretion to choose another method for determining the value of the property and may
choose to exercise that right when they are reviewing the plat.
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May 5, 2004
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Development Review Discussion:
Setbacks: As stated, the proposed building does meet setback requirements. Below is a
chart displaying the required and proposed building and parking setbacks for the CVS
building:
Building Setbacks Required Proposed Compliance
Front (Highway 10) 30 feet 75 feet Yes
Front (Silver Lake Rd) 30 feet 115 feet Yes
Side (south) (abuts Res.) 20 feet 21 feet Yes
Rear (west) 20 feet 46 feet Yes
Parking Lot Setbacks
Front (Highway 10) 5 feet* 5 feet Yes
Front (Silver Lake Rd.) 5 feet* 5 feet Yes
Rear (west) 2 feet* 65 feet Yes
*This property was granted a parking setback variance in November of 2003.
Parking: The proposed site plan shows a total of 88 regular parking stalls and 3 handicapped
parking stalls. The Code requires one stall for every 100 square feet of retail sales area,
plus one for every employee. The CVS Pharmacy would have 9898 square feet of retail
area and roughly 7 employees during one shift. Based on Code requirements, this
development would be required to have 106 parking stalls. The proposed parking does not
satisfy this requirement. The Code, however, has a provision for proof of parking. Section
1121.14 of the Zoning Code allows a reduction in parking area if approved by the City
Council. To be considered for a reduction, there are requirements that must be met,
including that the space must be designated as proof of parking and not used for other uses.
In addition, the number of reduced spaces cannot exceed 15% of the required amount. In
this case, 15% of the required amount is 16 stalls. The proposed parking is 18 stalls short of
the requirements, therefore, in order to meet the code requirements, 2 additional stalls will
need to be added and a proof of parking area will need to be designated with room for 16
stalls. Staff is recommending that the 2 additional spaces be added along the northeast side
of the building. The proof of parking could possibly be located near the pond area, if that
area were redesigned to accommodate it.
Drainage: The site would be serviced by a series of catch basins that drain into an on-site
infiltration pond. There would be a culvert in the infiltration pond that connects to a larger
adjacent pond. The larger pond has been designed to contain water up until the 100-year
storm level. If the water level were ever to reach the 100-year level or higher, there is a
culvert at the high water mark that would then drain the overflow water to the Highway 10
median. The developer has been given permission by Ramsey County to utilize the median
for this purpose. Before any construction is to occur, the developer will need to submit to the
City copies of all required county permits. The Public Works department and SEH, the City’s
engineering consultant, are reviewing the grading and draining plans, although staff is not
anticipating any problems with the drainage as proposed. The developer submitted the
plans to Rice Creek Watershed on April 8, 2004. City approval will of course be contingent
upon Rice Creek Watershed’s approval.
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Utilities: Sanitary sewer lines are present in the Silver Lake Road right of way and water is
present in the Highway 10 and Silver Lake Road right of way. The proposed lots would be
served by underground electric and phone, as required by the City’s subdivision regulations.
The City’s Fire Marshal is reviewing the plans to verify if the current hydrants on site are
adequate for the proposed development.
Building Exterior: The proposed CVS building has a 13,013 square foot footprint. The height
of the building is 23 feet with the entryway height extended up to 29 feet. The materials used
would be a combination of brick and EFIS (Exterior Finish Insulation System). EFIS has been
used in other recent projects in Mounds View, including the LandCor retail and office
buildings near the theater. The main entrance of the building is oriented toward the corner
of the property and will be accentuated by a taller roof treatment and a slight archway. Along
either side of the main entrance are nine windows. The slight arch is carried throughout the
exterior of the building and adds nice detail to the EFIS material. Brick columns frame many
of the arches and help to break up the façade of the building.
Landscaping: A landscaping plan was submitted on April 20, 2004. The plan calls for a total
of twenty-six (26) trees and sixty-four (64) shrubs. In addition, the plan also shows118
perennials, plus mixed annuals to be added by the owner. All disturbed areas will have sod,
including the area surrounding the pond. The City Forester is currently reviewing the
proposed landscape plan and will provide comment on the proposed species. City approval
of the development review will be contingent upon the forester’s approval.
Garbage Enclosure: A garbage enclosure is shown on the plans on the north side of the CVS
building. The enclosure is roughly eight (8) feet in height and is located so that it will not
obstruct the drive-through traffic. Specific plans for the enclosure were not submitted,
however, the elevations show a material similar to chain link. Staff is recommending that the
City require the enclosure to be constructed of the same materials as the building. In
addition, there is also a compactor on sight that will be screened with the same material as
the garbage enclosure. Chain link fencing is not permitted enclosure material.
Lighting: A photometric analysis of the site was submitted for review. Section 1103.09 of the
Code states that all lighting shall be hooded and that any light that casts light on a public
street shall not exceed one (1) foot-candle as measured from the center line of the street. In
addition, it states that light cast on residential property must not exceed four-tenths (0.4)
foot-candles. Although the street center line is not shown, based on measurements, Staff
concludes that the foot-candle reading is no greater than four-tenths (0.4) at the Highway 10
center line and five-tenths (0.5) at the Silver Lake Road centerline. Residential property is
located to the south of this parcel. While the foot-candle readings are slightly higher than
what the Code allows at the property line, staff believes the minimal light spillage would not
affect the residents in that the dwellings are separated from the CVS site by the bank of
garage stalls and a distance of 175 feet. While the specifications of the lighting to be used is
included, the pole height is not indicated.
Signage: A sign plan was not submitted at this time, however, the Code allows properties
within the B-3, Highway Business district to have one hundred (100) square feet of wall
signage per occupant and two hundred (200) square feet of ground signage per building. It
appears that the signage shown on the elevation plans would exceed City allowances.
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Traffic: The proposed development will increase the number of vehicles traveling through the
intersection of Silver Lake Road and County Road 10. The developer indicates that a typical
CVS Pharmacy generates roughly 195 vehicle trips per day. The site is currently vacant, but
the previous use was a gasoline station. Estimated vehicle trips per day for a gasoline
station are 845. Although the proposed development will add more traffic than the current
use, it will not have as much of a traffic impact as the previous use. While many CVS
customers will be use the right-in right-out onto County Road 10, those coming from the
south on County Road 10 or from the north on Red Oak Drive will need to pass through the
intersection which is controlled by Ramsey County. Even with the additional traffic resulting
from the development of a CVS, staff does not anticipate degradation in the “level of service”
at the intersection.
There are two proposed access points to the CVS site. One access is off of County Road10,
one hundred ninety-five (195) feet from the east corner of the lot (nearest to intersection).
The second access point is from Silver Lake Road and is one hundred thirty-eight (138) feet
from the east corner of the lot. These access points should allow for good traffic flow
through the parking area and drive-through. Staff believes that the two curb cuts will provide
sufficient access and egress from the proposed site.
Rezoning Discussion:
When considering a rezoning, the Planning Commission must determine two things: whether
the proposed zoning is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and whether or not it would
be detrimental to the surrounding neighborhood. The Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use
Map designates this area as mixed use planned unit development (MU-PUD). An MU-PUD
is defined as, “Land containing a building or buildings with significant amounts of residential
uses in combination with commercial and/or office uses.” Although the site is not being
rezoned to PUD, this designation is somewhat consistent with the proposed subdivision in
the sense that a CVS Pharmacy would contribute to adding the commercial component to
the residential area.
Staff does not feel that the proposed rezoning would be detrimental to the surrounding area
because the proposed uses are similar to the surrounding uses. The area in question is
located on Highway 10, which typically has commercial uses adjacent to it. Lot 3 will
continue to be zoned R-4, which helps to buffer the commercial use. In addition, this area
has been used in the past as a commercial property and it was not detrimental to the
surrounding areas at that time.
The table below shows the current and proposed zoning of each of the four lots.
Current Zoning Proposed Zoning
Lot 1 B-3 and R-3 B-3
Lot 2 B-3, R-3 and R-4 B-3
Lot 3 R-4 R-4
Lot 4 R-3 R-3
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Public Comment: Thus far, Staff has only received one comment from the public. Jerry
Jaker of the Minnesota Institute of Public Health voiced a concern that the new development
would generate more traffic at an already busy intersection. He stated that his employees
already have a difficult time with the intersection under current circumstances and adding a
retail store to the area would create additional traffic problems. Public Works staff have
indicated that the amount of traffic from the CVS site should not worsen the existing
situation, however the intersection could be scheduled for an assessment and could be
redesigned with new traffic lights to improve flow if the County feels it is necessary Staff will
monitor the situation and take appropriate action if problems arise.
Recommendation:
Hold the public hearing and discuss the proposed preliminary plat and the associated issues
surrounding the subdivision and rezoning. Unless otherwise directed, Staff will prepare a
resolution of approval for consideration at the Commission’s next meeting on Wednesday,
May 19, 2004.
Respectfully submitted,
Kristin Prososki
Planning Associate
Attachments:
1. Application
2. Zoning Map
3. Location Map
4. Photographs
5. Plans Submitted on 4/14/04
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Zoning Map
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May 5, 2004
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Photographs of Existing Conditions
Photo of vacant Amoco building, looking northwest
Looking west at the Amoco site
PROCEEDINGS OF THE MOUNDS VIEW PLANNING COMMISSION
CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
RAMSEY COUNTY, MINNESOTA
Regular Meeting
April 21, 2004
Mounds View City Hall
2401 Highway 10, Mounds View, MN 55112
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1. Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Chair Stevenson at 7:00 p.m., April 21, 2004.
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2. Roll Call
Members Present: Commissioners Miller, Stevenson, Song, Hegland, Zwirn and Johnson
Members Absent: Scotch (excused)
Also Present: Community Development Director Ericson and Planner Prososki
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Index to Minutes Page
Planning Case MA04-001 2
Hidden Hollow Preliminary Plat
Procraft Development
Planning Case VR04-002 11
7717 Long Lake Road The Phoenix Residence, Inc.
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3. Approve Minutes
a. March 17, 2004
MOTION/SECOND: Johnson/Miller. To Approve the Planning Commission Minutes for
March 17, 2004 as Presented.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 0 Motion carried.
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4. Citizens Requests and Comments on Items Not on the Agenda
None.
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5. Planning Case MA04-001
Community Development Director Ericson indicated that this item is a public hearing and
consideration of the preliminary plat for the Hidden Hollow major subdivision. He then
explained that the City and the development team have been working on this project for a year
and a half.
Director Ericson indicated that the site in question is 9.36 acres south of H2 adjacent to the
western City limits and the proposal is for a 17 lot major subdivision for single family residential
homes.
Director Ericson indicated that there would be 4 homes within this area that remain after the plat
and then pointed them out on the map.
Director Ericson explained that the existing pond would be reworked to allow for better drainage
for water off of H2 and the entire development.
Commissioner Song arrived at 7:06 p.m.
Director Ericson indicated that the lots would range in size from 11,600 square feet up to 29,000
square feet. He then said that the City and the developer had originally discussed vacating the
Pleasant View Drive right of way but the City has decided to protect the existing utilities and not
vacate the right of way.
Director Ericson reviewed the storm water management plan for the development and noted that
all drainage will be handled on site.
Director Ericson indicated that Rice Creek Watershed District would review the site and if there
is any question on the ponding will make a requirement for re-sizing, but the City is reasonably
confident that the drainage plan as presented will be acceptable to Rice Creek.
Director Ericson indicated there is only one street and it is to be named Hidden Hollow Court
and it will satisfy City requirements for streets.
Director Ericson indicated that the City does not anticipate an issue with traffic for this
development.
Director Ericson indicated that the development was renamed from The Woods of Mounds View
because a significant number of trees will be removed due to the balancing of soils and the
amount of grading that needs to be done on the site.
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Director Ericson indicated that as a condition of approval, the developer will be required to
replant trees at two trees per each front yard.
Director Ericson indicated the soils have been reviewed through soil borings and they are
suitable for development with a foot or two of organic soil down to four feet in some places. He
then said that the City has a high water table but with the soil balancing on site all of the
basements of the new homes would be above the water table. He further commented that the
City’s engineers are reviewing the plan to make sure there are no issues with it.
Director Ericson indicated this has been a project that has been in the works for years and he
thanked residents that have been involved with the project and invited anyone interested to voice
concerns and ask questions as the City wants to make sure that all concerns are addressed.
Director Ericson indicated there would be another public hearing before Council to review the
same preliminary plat with any changes that have occurred through the Planning Commission
recommendation.
Chair Stevenson opened the public hearing at 7:19 p.m.
David Veenstra of 3000 County Road H2 asked why the pond is being deepened and the trees
destroyed to make a second pond.
Director Ericson indicated the pond is being expanded to address runoff from H2 and to handle
runoff from the site itself. He then explained that the water is captured by catch basins and piped
through the development to the first pond to allow for solids to settle out before it flows through
to the next pond.
Director Ericson indicated that while there will be trees lost on the property, the determination
was made to save the trees on either side of the pond to screen it from adjacent properties and
that is why the pond was elongated rather than widened.
Mr. Veenstra said he feels the City is destroying a beautiful woods and losing all of the filtration
that the trees provide and he is sick about it. He then said he thinks it is an environmental
disaster and does not think you get any better ground water this way because trees do a better
job. He further said he thinks this is insane.
Mr. Veenstra asked how power would be brought to his property.
Gary Nordness, representing ProCraft, or, member of development team, indicated that they will
be working with Xcel Energy on how to place the power and then said that it would be up to Mr.
Veenstra whether he wants his power to remain on the pole or be run underground.
Mr. Veenstra asked why he was never approached by the developer on this matter.
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Mr. Nordness explained that they were waiting to finalize the plans before meeting with Mr.
Veenstra.
Mr. Veenstra asked why he was never asked whether he wanted to sell out.
Darren Sylvander, representing ProCraft Homes, explained that Mr. Veenstra did not have land
available behind his house that they could have purchased. He further explained that Mr.
Veenstra’s home is too nice to purchase and knock down making it not cost effective to add his
property to the project. He also indicated that information was provided about the potential
development to Mr. Veenstra when the project began.
Mr. Veenstra indicated he did receive the paper but was never approached to discuss it. He then
said he feels this will destroy a beautiful environment and be an absolute disaster.
Gary Mann of 3009 Wooddale Drive asked what the new height of the land would be.
Director Ericson reviewed the plan and indicated the area of substantial elevation change would
be along the newly created road but the backyards would remain about the same.
Mr. Mann asked whether the City has considered a “ghost plan” and the potential impact of this
development on the surrounding lots and their potential for future development.
A resident commented that he had asked the Mayor to do that and it has not happened. He then
said their concern is to make this an integrated plan that does not limit development potential for
the residents to the south of this area.
Mr. Mann commented that the wetland to the south of this property has been filled and asked
how that would affect the neighbors for future development.
Director Ericson indicated that the wetland stays a wetland as delineated but, with development,
there are ways to work with that and fill it and provide additional wetland in other areas. He then
said that the City has been informed of potential issues with the owner of the property to the
south and filling of the wetlands. He further commented that there remain options for
development of the properties to the south.
Mr. Mann asked what the status is of the development of the Brennan property because he is
concerned about finalizing this development and limiting potential development options for the
neighbors to the south.
Director Ericson indicated that there is nothing pending but he has spoken with Mr. Brennan
about his plans and been told he is not sure what he wants to do or when. He then said that the
City communicated with him information about the fill and the issue with the wetlands in an
effort to bring him into this but he was not interested in having a soil analysis done when the
borings for this project were done. He further commented that all the City can do is address the
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issues with regard to the Hidden Hollow plat but the City is aware of issues with the land to the
south.
Commissioner Johnson asked if someone to the south has filled wetlands without proper
procedures.
Director Ericson said that there has been fill brought onto the property and that has been a long-
standing practice at the property prior to Mr. Brennan owning it. He then said that City Public
Works had an agreement with the prior owner for dumping street sweepings. He further
commented that he has been told that it may not be good fill and may have to be hauled out.
Commissioner Johnson asked if anyone was notified about the fill brought in there.
Director Ericson indicated that communication has been made but the issue is that it does not
show up on the City’s wetland maps otherwise the City would not have authorized having fill
brought out there. He then said that he is not clear on what was brought out there but now they
are aware that there is a situation that will need to be addressed.
Commissioner Johnson asked if Rice Creek knows about it.
Mr. Mann indicated the neighbors notified them and brought them out a year or so ago and Barb
Haake and the head engineer for Rice Creek commented that it was too late. He then said that he
is concerned that the actions of that property owner and the decisions made by the City on this
development will adversely affect the ability of the neighbors to the south to develop their
properties.
A resident in the audience commented that filling the wetland can affect the flow of water and
adversely affect the neighbors.
Chair Stevenson explained that water does not flow in that direction.
Director Ericson indicated that Rice Creek will be looking at the integrity of that wetland and
what impact this development will have on it.
A resident in the audience indicated he is concerned about flooding to his property.
Director Ericson explained there would be no flow to the south because the elevations are such
that any overflow goes to the storm sewer that is already there. He then said that the
development is designed to make sure the water stays on the site.
Commissioner Zwirn indicated that when this was initially discussed, there was discussion of
natural flow of water from north to south but then during the presentation it was said that water
would be pumped up to the north to the ponding area. He then asked for further clarification.
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Director Ericson explained that the street elevates slightly as it goes toward the cul-de-sac so that
the water flows back toward H2 and is captured in the catch basin and the pipes are tilted
downhill to cut through the development and end up at the pond on the northeast corner.
Commissioner Zwirn asked for clarification on whether the identified wetlands in Lots 9 and 10
will be protected and secured with fencing.
Director Ericson indicated that those areas would be protected. He then indicated that Rice
Creek Watershed District has requirements for protecting a wetland with silt fencing and
setbacks to protect the wetland. He further commented that the City, residents and Rice Creek
would be keeping an eye on this to make sure the wetlands are protected.
Commissioner Zwirn asked whether the wetlands show up at Rice Creek.
Director Ericson indicated he is not sure what Rice Creek has for an inventory.
Mr. Nordness indicated that they had a wetland delineation study done on the property and it is
identified in green on the map. He then said there is a separate study that they did for the City to
delineate and identify where they were.
Commissioner Zwirn commented that it has been identified as a wetland for a number of years
and the fact that someone took it upon themselves to fill it concerns him.
Mr. Nordness indicated he is not sure how far they went with the delineation but the dotted area
outside of the plat is definitely wetland.
Commissioner Zwirn commented that anything done in that area will have an impact on people
to the south or southeast.
Mr. Nordness indicated that nothing will drain into the wetland after the development because
they are protecting that wetland.
Commissioner Hegland asked if the delineation is after the fill was brought in.
Director Ericson indicated the delineation did not extend all the way into the other property but
did go to the south to a certain point.
Mr. Nordness commented that the identifying of the wetlands was based on FEMA maps and the
actual delineation was done based on Sunde Engineering and an outside engineer. He then said
he does not know how far south they went but the FEMA map shows it distinctly and that is why
the delineation was done.
Commissioner Zwirn asked whether there is any kind of protection or assurance that the
developer will truly work to save all trees possible, other than a comment that they will do so.
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He then said that a carte blanche to cutting down trees does not appeal to him and he would like
a way to assure that as many are saved as possible.
Director Ericson indicated the City asked that all trees larger than a sapling and other than brush
or scrub trees be marked. He then said that any trees located where the elevation remains
essentially the same after the soil correction would most likely remain but those that are located
where the elevation is changed will be removed. He further commented that the City does not
have a tree preservation ordinance but is working with the developer to save as many as possible
and that is evident in that the developer has agreed to save trees on the periphery of the project.
Commissioner Miller indicated the Resolution states that the developer shall plant two trees and
sod the front yards.
Director Ericson explained that a condition of obtaining the certificate of occupancy would be
that the sod and two trees be planted.
Director Ericson indicated that the Resolution states that trees shall be preserved wherever
possible but there is no real protection should Procraft clear cut the site. He then said that
Procraft has taken the position that trees add value to the project and they would like to save as
many as possible.
Commissioner Johnson asked if the trees to be replanted are of a minimum size.
Director Ericson indicated that the City Forester would be consulted as to the type of tree and
there is usually a minimum size requirement.
Chair Stevenson commented that the City could include in the Resolution as specific size for the
trees and that type is to be determined by the Forester.
Mr. Nordness indicated that the preliminary development agreement and the revised
development agreement currently being negotiated states the number of trees and the minimum
size of one and a half inches.
Director Ericson indicated that Staff would review the document to make sure it is consistent and
appropriate.
Jerry Blanski of 2933 Wooddale Drive asked what type of long range planning was done for the
area to minimize negative impact to the neighbors to the south and allow for future development.
Director Ericson indicated that the City has had numerous long range plans and looked at the
opportunity of subdividing every way possible including all properties possible going back to
1997 or 1998 with various configurations. He then said that there remain a number of
opportunities for future development to the south. He further commented that approval of this
development may place certain restraints on the development to the south but it does not in any
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way prevent development from happening and there are still opportunities for residents to the
south to develop their properties.
Mr. Blanski expressed concern that the City is building all of these small ponds rather than
looking at drainage for a larger area and limiting the ponds. He then asked whether there would
be fencing around the ponds and what they would look like and who would maintain them.
Mr. Nordness indicated that it is their intention to rework the existing pond and it will be
elongated and narrower than it is today and will riprap and sod or seed the ponds.
Mr. Blanski expressed concern that when there is a dry year there will be nothing there but dead
grass and asked whether it would be rocked or what would be done.
Mr. Nordness explained that riprap would be installed to stabilize inlets and outlets and they are
proposing crown vegetation for seeding as it is used a lot on highways for controlling erosion.
He then explained that crown vegetation is a low growing vegetation that is always green and it
works well. He further commented that there is no intention to fence the pond.
Mr. Blanski expressed concern for kids playing on or near the ponds and the safety of that. He
then said he is concerned what the ponds would look like and whether there are easements or if
they are on private property.
Mr. Nordness indicated the ponds are on private property but there would be easements to
maintain them.
Mr. Blanski asked whether the water would flow over or under ground between the ponds.
Mr. Nordness indicated it would be over ground in places, under ground in others.
Chair Stevenson indicated he had found a discrepancy on the preliminary plat on the vicinity plat
the road is marked with an incorrect name.
Mr. Nordness indicated that is being corrected.
Commissioner Song asked whether the City has considered a significant rainfall and whether the
system as designed can handle it. She then said that when it rains hard in her neighborhood the
water flows over the curb and to the backyard when the storm sewer is full.
Mr. Nordness indicated the City Engineer and Bonestroo has designed this for a 100 year flood
incident but if there is something beyond a 100 year flood there would be overflow into the
existing storm sewer system.
Judy Witbeck of 3009 County Road H2 asked whether anyone looked at moving the road to its
junction with Spring Lake Road rather than having it offset.
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Mr. Nordness indicated it was originally planned to have that road come through and line up
directly with the street but the gentlemen who owns the property did not want to sell it so that
made it not possible to do so.
A resident asked whether there have been any protections considered to keep vehicles from
sliding into the pond during the winter.
Mr. Nordness indicated they would work with the City and address any potential danger issues
but the pond does belong to the City.
Mr. Blanski asked whether the radius of the curb could be looked into to allow more room to
make a right turn out onto H2 because at Knollwood your front end ends up in oncoming traffic
if you are not very careful.
Mr. Nordness indicated that the street would be a public street and built to City standards.
Director Ericson indicated that there have been issues with the reconstruction of H2 and he will
discuss the matter with the Public Works Director.
Mr. Mann commented that he is concerned that approval of this development limits the potential
for development to the south and he would like the City to consider holding off on approval for
further information and analysis of the development potential to the south.
Mr. Nordness commented that from their standpoint they feel they have gone above and beyond
what is required by most developers in considering all possible scenarios.
Mr. Mann agreed that it seems the developer has done what is expected and the development
sounds like it will be a quality development but, once the decisions are made on this
development their ability to develop is limited and they would like the City to consider a larger
plan for the entire area rather than just this parcel.
Director Ericson indicated that he would like to see more areas developed to bring more housing
units and a larger tax base to the City, but there are those residents who feel that larger lots and
trees make Mounds View a nice community to live in and they are not interested in developing
their properties. He then said that this development will impact future development to the south
but there remain opportunities to develop.
A resident in the audience asked if there is access so they would not be landlocked.
Director Ericson indicated there is the Pleasant View Drive easement on the western portion of
the property and, in speaking with Mr. Brennan, he would be possibly interested in dedicating an
additional 30 feet for a small cul-de-sac, so there are opportunities.
Paul Vik of 2940 County Road H2 said he feels it is a shame that this area will be torn down as
there are a lot of old trees and the area is very cool. He then recommended that the
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Commissioners take a walk back there so they are aware of what the City is losing. He further
commented that he was offered a buy out but likes his lot and wants to stay in Mounds View.
Mr. Vik asked the Commission to be very careful that all things are considered especially with
ponding and drainage and the overall effect that this development will have on future
development to the south before approving it. He further commented that this would landlock
his property for future development, but he wants to stay where he is.
Chair Stevenson indicated that his wife grew up in the area so he knows the area and it is very
nice.
Commissioner Johnson commented that when a development is done the developer is
responsible for the water on the site and it has to be contained on site. He then said that he feels
confident that with three engineering firms things are being handled properly.
Commissioner Zwirn indicated he is skeptical about the entire thing and he has some serious
reservations. He then said he would like to table this to the next meeting to allow for more
information and further clarifications on how this development will impact the people to the
south.
Commissioner Zwirn said he feels that after the fact is too hard to deal with to rectify anything
and he would like to have the information first and make the decisions based on the professional
advice.
Commissioner Johnson indicated the resolution says that all the approvals are contingent upon
Rice Creek and the engineers.
Chair Stevenson indicated that there is not much more information that would become available
as most has already been received.
Economic Development Coordinator Backman confirmed that most of the information has been
obtained by the City.
Chair Stevenson closed the public hearing at 8:30 p.m.
MOTION/SECOND: Johnson/Miller. To Approve Resolution 754-04, a Resolution
Recommending Approval of the Hidden Hollow Preliminary Plat.
Director Ericson read the stipulations for approval and indicated that Staff would consult with
the City Forester concerning the tree requirements.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 1(Zwirn) Motion carried.
Director Ericson indicated that this matter is scheduled for City Council action on May 10, 2004
and residents will be noticed of the meeting.
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6. Planning Case VR04-002
Chair Stevenson opened the public hearing at 8:35 p.m.
Planner Prososki indicated that the prevailing setback is 41 feet on this block and the applicant
has requested a reduced front yard setback of 32 feet to allow for the construction of a state
licensed residential facility operated by The Phoenix Residence.
Planner Prososki indicated the dimensions of the lot and the additional setback requirements of
the lot do make it difficult to build on. She then said that Staff received one letter in opposition
and that was provided to Commissioners at this meeting.
Commissioner Johnson asked whether everyone was notified.
Planner Prososki indicated that all residents within 350 feet were notified by mail and it was
noticed in the paper.
Chair Stevenson thanked the applicant for making changes from 11 feet to a 9 foot variance. He
then asked Staff to address the letter of opposition and why the City should allow the variance to
allow the building forward of the 41 feet.
Planner Prososki indicated that Staff feels there is a hardship due to the smaller lot dimensions
and prevailing setbacks and it makes it somewhat difficult to build on the lot without a variance.
Chair Stevenson explained that a traditional setback would be 30 feet but this block has 41 feet.
Chair Stevenson closed the public hearing at 8:40 p.m.
MOTION/SECOND: Song/Miller. To Approve Resolution 755-04, a Resolution Approving a
Variance to Allow for a Thirty-Two Foot Front Yard Setback for a New Home at 7717 Long
Lake Road.
Ayes – 5 Nays – 1(Zwirn) Motion carried.
Commissioner Song asked what The Phoenix Residence does.
The representative from The Phoenix Residence indicated that they serve persons age 18 years
and older with physical and development disabilities. She then provided information on the
organization to the Commissioners.
Commissioner Zwirn indicated he had voted in opposition to the variance because he was in
opposition to the other two on the street and he wished to remain consistent. He then said that he
has nothing against The Phoenix Residence but feels that, aesthetically, it throws off the look of
the entire block.
Mounds View Planning Commission April 21, 2004
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7. Next Planning Commission Meeting: May 5, 2004
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8. Adjournment to Agenda Session
There being no further business before the Planning Commission, Chair Stevenson adjourned the
meeting at 8:47 p.m.
(The meeting immediately adjourned to the Agenda Session)
Respectfully submitted,
Jim Ericson
Community Development Director
Transcribed by:
Joan Lenzmeier
TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.