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RAMSEY COUNTY,MINNESOTA
GATEWAY TO THE NORTH 2401 HIGHWAY 10
MOUNDS VIEW, MINN. 55112
784-3055
June 17 , 1987
Good Day:
The department is hopping with activity both in programs and park
projects. The main topic of discussion at this meeting will be the
park use issue. I would like to carpool at 6: 30 p.m. from City Hall
to Oakwood Park where we can see firsthand the complaint site. Poor
Oakwood Park is one of our least developed and forgotten parks.
The tennis courts are in the final stages of development at
• Groveland Park. Some of the amenities have been put up at Woodcrest
but lots of work is needed still. The grasses and trees in the
parks are burning up before our eyes and the ballfields are like
powder deserts. We need rain!
If you have a chance, please cruise the parks before the meeting
date. Activities begin June 22. As always, please call if you are
unable to make the June 25 meeting. My phone number is 784-3055 ,
ext. 20.
Sincerely,
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Mary Saarion, Director
Parks, Recreation and Forestry
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CITY OF MOUNDS VIEW
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• PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
THURSDAY, JUNE 25, 1987
AGENDA
6:30 p.m.
Mounds View City Hall
Counci Chambers
II. CALL TO ORDER
✓II . REVIEW OF MAY 28 , 1987 COMMISSION MINUTES
yiII . AGENDA ADDITIONS
JIV. CHAIRPERSON' S REPORT
V. COUNCILMEMBER' S REPORT
✓VI . DISCUSSION OF USE OF PARKS
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VVII . OLD BUSINESS
vA. PORTABLE CLASSROOM UPDATE
vB. SUMMER PROGRAM UPDATE
V6. WOODCREST PARK UPDATE
GROVELAND PARK UPDATE
.L. "FESTIVAL IN THE PARK" UPDATE
1. COMMUNITY THEATER UPDATE
dG. CITY HALL VOLLEYBALL COURTS/LEAGUE UPDATE
VIII . ADJOURNMENT
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MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE
MOUNDS VIEW PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
CITY OF MOUNDS O S VIEW J
COUNTY OF RAMSEY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
• May 28 , 1987
Mounds View City Hall
Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order at 6: 55 p.m.
by Chairperson Wayne Burmeister after viewing
a video tape entitled "Spirit of Recreation" .
ROLL CALL Commissioners present : Commissioner Rowley,
Starr, Silvis and Chairperson Burmeister.
Councilmembers present: Councilmember Hankner
re Administra-
tivef present: Director Saarion, Admin stra-
tive Assistant Linke
Guests : Mary Mitchell
MINUTES A motion was made by Commissioner Silvis,
seconded by Commissioner Rowley to approve the
minutes as written. Motion passed unanimously
4 ayes, 0 nays.
CHAIRPERSON' S REPORT None
• COUNCILMEMBER' S
REPORT Councilmember Hankner reported that the
council will be conducting a survey regarding
possible use of the portable classroom
building around various park sites in the
City. The survey will find out who is living
around the parks and what specific programs
are of interest to them.
SPRING/SUMMER
BROCHURE Director Saarion reviewed the spring and
summer recreation programs and answered
questions from the Commission.
MUSKRATS AT SILVER
VIEW PARK Director Saarion stated that she had contacted
the Department of Natural Resources regarding
the muskrat problem at Silver View Park. They
referred her to a licensed trapper. Staff
indicated that there is a large population of
muskrats in Silver View Park causing erosion
to the banks of the pond and that muskrats
also carry disease that are transmitted to
humans. Because of this, staff felt that the
animals should be trapped and disposed of .
• However, the cost is quite high. Chairperson
Burmeister advised Director Saarion to
investigate the alternatives to paying a
licensed trapper, i .e. allowing trappers in
during hunting season, and report the results
to the Commission at a later meeting.
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WOODCREST PARK Staff reported that the tot lot was started
and should be done by June 22.
GROVELAND TENNIS •
COURTS Staff reported that two sheets of asphalt had
been layed on May 28 and the fencing is next.
The surface work was scheduled to begin the
week of June 6.
OTHER BUSINESS The commission inquired about the depth of
Spring Lake and whether or not the St. Paul
Waterworks would be adding any water soon.
Staff said that the Waterworks Department was
watching the levels and would be adding water
shortly before opening the beach.
COMMENTS FROM THE
FLOOR Resident Mary Mitchell ( from the Silver View
Park area) asked the commission about their
plans to complete the trail around Silver View
pond. The commission informed her that the
first priority will be to finish the section
along Mr. Trettel ' s yard and connect to the
easement. The second priority is to finish
the path from Long Lake Road to County Road H2
along the Scotland Green Apartment area. The
third priority will be to finish the section
along the southwest side of the path.
Ms. Mitchell stated that because the •
comprehensive plan indicated a bridge would be
installed and that the path would not be
completed around the pond, she felt it
should be abided by. Commissioner Starr
informed Ms. Mitchell that the plan was not
realistic at this time and should be revised
to reflect the current budgetary limitations .
Ms. Mitchell asked the commission to please
inform her and the other residents around
Silver View Park before any construction of a
trail is begun. Chairperson Burmeister
indicated that the commission would do so.
ADJOURNMENT A motion was made by Commissioner Silvis,
seconded by Chairperson Burmeister to adjourn
the meeting at 7: 50 p.m. Motion passed
unanimously 4 ayes, 0 nays.
Respectfully submitted,
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Maj Saarion, Director
Parks, Recreation and Forestry
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MEMO TO: MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
• PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
FROM: MARY SAARION, DIRECTOR
PARKS, RECREATION AND FORESTRY
DATE: JUNE 8; 1987
RE: OAKWOOD PARK FIELD USE
Attached please find letters sent to Mayor Linke and Wayne Burmeister, Park
and Recreation Chairperson regarding use of Oakwood Park field. The problem
has been in existence since 1981 and still seems to be a problem according to
Mr. Kops.
Following Mr. Kops letters is a memo written by me. I wish to bring this
issue up so that we can make a definite policy decision. I believe this is a
policy issue as to regulations of intended use of residents in City
• parks.
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Mr. Wayne Burmeister
Chairman, Mounds View Parks
and Recreation Commission
2401 Highway 10
Mounds View, MN 55112
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May 29 , 1937
Dear Sir:
A hazardous situation exists at Oakwood Park, for which our
Di.r(ar,i..c)rr, M.-try r,.-1,4 she Cannot he
r y)•):r•; i;)l a :30 she has recommended I contact you.
Having lived adj,3C3nt to the :-;ofi:h.t1.1 fi.c?ld at Oakwood Park
for nine years, I have grown accustomed to "foul ticks"
hitting my house, garage, and vehicles.
I began complaining to Bruce Anderson, our. former Parks
Director, several years ago when a;liil.i- ter) t:1)�.1.1- cOrims beyrin
to dominate this i)all_fi.el.c1, increasing the rlrinli)Orr or, r.or1l
ticks" striking Emmy ito 1 ,
Bruce had his department move hoirte plate back about two
feet, to cut down on the angle; but ; 11 endeavor
accomplished nothing.
Finally, during the Public Hearings i'r)rr i:li<'. P.ar% ievy
Referendum, I obtained Bruce' s publicly spoken promise to
rfn(;L.r)ici a backstop cage similar to the one at Greenfield
Park.
Unfortunately, it was cont inyeni: on Lilo lbaSc4i1A9 or Lhe
Referendum, of which we both know the outcome-
As only 600 residents voted affir)kl-iLiv<?l,y; riO other
money available, the new backstop was never built.
• Fr)1rr? Cli.d try to . l.i.r?viai'.c i.hca .; i.i. {,t' Y{; i:iV)r1J11; l)�
scheduling only T-Ball at Oakwood Park, making the
spring/summer ()r i.•m i i)o.:•i i,cml_i_i ;: L-.7%-"" F_ree
( T am enclosing copies of past correspondences between Bruce
A ' . )
Anderson myself. )
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1987 is a completely different situation.
• After observing a baseball practice at Oakwood P,Arrk, �.
contacted Mary Saarion at the Parks DeparLin-rti-. on 11,11/. 20,
and received a very negative, patronizing response to rri.i
irirlr{i riO4
"These Mounds View residents have as much r. i.tjht to use the
.t.11yon. x " 4ee1uiec1 to ho :t t!.ti.i.Otlr; rc?,iiai'rs rroirl ,
city official who has been heavily involved in
baseball/sofi:al_1 solvldcll i.r1IJ i,'rlrc)tl=Jllt:)tli: Litre!;(1 1)i.sL several
years.
(Mary Saarion has been aware of the itav,:-trt1I, •ii-. O,ticwoo(l Park •
bcause I personally dealt with her during Bruce' s personal
absences. )
T pointed out to Mary i:ho tjilidelines of the
Monads View "City Wide Park System Master Plan" , assembled
by : lilrltirc:;•-T,t1deut •i id, \:;:;t)c13tes, Inc. , the site analysis
r()r- (1.t1i1'I0o1 trig cl,e)trl.j `+i rl.'ft?}: i:1i-&t the softball field is
",)r1r1.1J li.c
tt.-3i'� � r, )r• ;I,� 1•-Ll i, h :31)f tball."
Tier rt!s 'en,:le was to shuffle the responsibility onto your
;3/1 )111. B l -.11ii :, - Lht yy 1.: in your
court.
This ballf ield is an accident waiting 't o happen, especially
with a kid' s playground nearby, ?.red if serious injury or
property damage does neetlr. , T will 1.etltl my support and
i:e:3i.i moray as to lam :indifference and possible negligence
i_ri ,o1_vei1
0.1 i.hO i)-$.rL tlr dOt0td4 7 t •ri tt rt.t]i.als.
A ;,;;,.r)i1i.i-y Insurance policy is painful enough for a local
t, : L 1 •les such as
cJt)Vc?r'r1ult+rti: i:c) }ic?tlllr'c=, t,�,� i trl�t :i i.1r,.1i i :) 1� i., t,
this to jeapordize our community.
Another t1H.11(j7r ) ts; t ) tli : • created by these ball games that •
has never been addressed is the parking situation.
With no defined 12i-.r1:.7.,1g spectators park on
both sides of the street by the bal-lfield, creating a
traffic hazard on Oakwood T)riv t Ir' lite duration of a game.
T have observed on countless occasions passing vehicles
ha i .rlcj to :icr000h to .t 1t,t1.i ", ! 1. ?c1 child
scooted out from between two parked cars.
In siiia.iati.olt, to -i.l.1.014 Mary :1.1.11'i.t1r1 "t:.1Li.O. 1)1.0.11011. " i.11
scheduling ball teams at Oakwood Park without r,,IJ i rl t1)
communi.l:y sa:fei"'T i.4 i. igeL .-i:t•.! Litt! tt:;e noa is clic i)r)1gi),
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Mounds View, MN 55112 •
cc: Mayor Linke
Mary Saarion
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RAMSEY COUNTY,MINNESOTA
GATEWAY TO THE NORTH 2401 HIGHWAY 10
MOUNDS VIEW,MINN. 55112
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS, 784-3055
RECREATION AND FORESTRY
July 21, 1981
Mr. Richard Kops
2147 Oakwood Drive
St. Paul , MN 55112
Dear Mr. Kops:
After speaking with our park maintenance department regarding the backstop
problem at Oakwood Park, we concluded that an additional extension would
probably not resolve the problem.
It would appear that the foul balls that are striking your home are going up
• over the existing backstop as "high foul ticks", which could not be stopped
by a fence extension.
Staff's thought is to move the homeplate back about two feet towards the rear
of the backstop to reduce the angle of deflection.
Should this not resolve the problem, we will take a look at adding additional
height or wings to the backstop.
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If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call at 784-3055, extension #41.
Sincerely,
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Bruce K. 'nderson, Director
Parks, Recreatio and Forestry
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June 11, 1935
Mr. Cruce Anderson
Parks and ;recreation Director
City of Mounds View
2401 dighwey 10 •
Sounds View, ;9i; 55112
Dear Mr. Anderson:
I've enclosed a copy of your last writton communication concerning the
"uackotop problem" at Oakwood Park.
This will be the seventh summer of owninci iiy hobo, located aL 2147 Gekwoou,
ralonnaide 3aLwocd Park, and cy patience is finally ueariny thin.
moving hor.e plate back two feet never solved the problem, as I've related
to you several times since your letter of 19:.1.
:ecause of two recent incidents, I no longer will pay lip service to your
suggestion of soeking reimbursements from the city after damac;es occur.
tri the evening of iey27, ;eraorial Jay, I was in my front yard while a city
:sponsored baseball teary was practicing on the field below.
One of the batters hit a ?foul tick" which sailed over miry head, landing by
the fence which borders my property with 2139 Oakwood.
• The ball hod been airborne the entire width of rig), property, a distance of
over one hundred feet back from horse plate.
Afes nights later, while this sane baseball team was practicing again,• a
"foul tick" bounced off ray kitchen window fifteen minutes before I was to
sit down and eat dinner.
These are only the latest, and coincidentally, tho moat physically threatening
incidents, as my borne, narege, and vehicles have sustained countless "hits"
over the years!
Mr. Anderson, the time for a solution to Chia problem is WWI
I believe being a homeowner in ;rounds View and a taxpayer in this county and
state entitles me to sone degree of protection from nine and twelve inch
drojiectileu.
Sincerely,
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cc: Mayor Linke
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• September 4, 1986
Mr. Bruce Anderson
Parks and Recreation Director
City of Mounds View
2401 Highway 10
Mounds View, Mn. 55112
Dear Bruce:
This letter is in appreciation for the steps you took this
summer to minimize the danger from " foul ticks" from
organized baseball teams playing at Oakwood Park.
As you well know, I won' t be content until a suitable
backstop is constructed, but I understand the budget
constraints within with you must run your department .
By only allowing organized T-ball teams to play at Oakwood
Park, there is virtually no danger from "foul ticks" from
city-sponsored teams.
Thanks again, Bruce, for being so patient dealing with my
constant inquiries.
• Sincerely,
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MEMO TO: MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSIONERS
FROM: MARY SAARION, DIRECTOR
PARKS, RECREATION AND FORESTRY
DATE: JUNE 4, 1987
RE: CLARIFICATION OF FIELD USE POLICY
I would like to offer some information to further explain the situation as
described by Mr. Kops letter concerning use of the Oakwood ballfield.
The Parks, Recreation and Forestry Department currently administers the
reservation of fields for practice use. The policy currently states that any
city league team, Mounds View Athletic Association team or City resident may
reserve a field. Fields can be reserved one week in advance and a maximum of
two practices per week for 1- 1/2 hours each is allowed. The process of
reserving a field is simply to call in the request and pick up the permit
notice beforepractice.
the p ac ice.
The purpose of permits is to discourage duplicate usage and to guarantee a
field so that teams can plan a practice ahead of time and be guaranteed of
that practice time and space.
Permits are a convenience, but permits are certainly not required for use of
fields by teams or residents. A field unused is open for anyone to use. The
department cannot monitor the use of fields at all times.
The incident that Mr. Kops refers to in his letter is regarding a 5-6th
grade baseball team coached by Mr. Keith King. Mr. King called and reserved
Oakwood field for a practice. The next day Mr. King called and talked to
Administrative Assistant Sharie Linke explaining that Mr. Kops came down to
the field and said they could not practice there and should leave. The
incident began with a right field foul ball which was hit into Mr. Kops '
backyard.
Mr. Kops called the office and first talked to Administrative Assistant
Linke. He called later and talked to me demanding that I tell teams that
they cannot play at Oakwood Park field. It is at this time that I told Mr.
Kops that I did not feel authorized to discriminate usage of fields and felt
that the Council and Commission may wish to explore a field usage
• policy.
This summer, 65 adult teams, 18 youth teams, 11 MVAA teams, a North Suburban
Church League and Mounds View Jaycees League use the City fields for
practices and games. This excludes the neighborhood "pick up" games. This
is a total of approximately 98 organized teams requesting use of
approximately 13 - 16 fields within the City (some fields overlap and
therefore only one field can be played on at a time, i.e. Edgewood baseball
field overlaps Edgewood 412 softball field. ) This year the additional loss of
the two Red Oak fields is being experienced. Needless to say, the fields are
getting heavy use of which they are intended.
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I would ask the Council and Commission to consider the field use policy for
the City of Mounds View. The City must decide whether parks are indeed
• intended for resident use or if a policy needs to be made describing use
criteria for each park site facility. Should the Park and Recreation
Department have the authoirty to deny use of fields by residents and/or
teams? These are policy decisions which need to be addressed if Mr. Kops
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request is to be considered.
In this particular situation, former Director Bruce Anderson attempted to
remedy the problem by placing the homeplate further towards the backstop. An
attempt to reserve only t—ball or youth softball teams was made, but since
this makes up only ten teams of the 98 City teams, the demand for use is
great. Most coaches are very careful to choose a field which matches his/her
team's abilities. For example, adult kittenball teams and youth softball and
baseball teams are certainly well matched for Oakwood field. Longer hitting
teams may use the field for infield practice and fly ball practice and forego
the hitting.
When observing Oakwood Park, right field foul balls or first base over—throws
are understandable. However, it is infrequent that youth baseball or adult
softball players hit foul tips that travel back beyond the backstop.
Unfortunately, the Park and Recreation Department does not have budgeted
funds to purchase a deluxe backstop such as the one at Greenfield Park.
Greenfield Park field is used by 14 — 16 year old baseball players who have
the ability for hitting such foul tips. These players would not and have not
requested Oakwood field because Oakwood does not match their needs.
• • It is my opinion that the Park and Recreation Department does not have the
right to deny use of a field by resident or league teams. It is the Park and
Recreation Department 's experience that teams use fields to their own ability
and usefulness. Foul balls occur at Oakwood Park, I am sure, but the
severity of the situation does not warrant, in my estimation, the denial of
use by teams.
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By TAMMY SMITH-Fsc -- , .discussion of the classroom's place- be the need to,build a small parking
Staff..Writie ment until last"Week's meeting.' lot,which many of th "r$`sidents up''
However, the council felt it needed pose, claiming that the park is foo
The City of Mounds View is taking the additional,time to make a better small to add a parking lot and a
its time in deciding where to place choice. building without destroying the
the portable classroom it received So far,Random Park has received children's play area.Another disad- .
recently as a gift from District 621. the most consideration by the noun- vantage is the lack of water.and
At the June 8 meeting, thecouncil., cil.Advantages include a play strut- toilet facilities in the..area, which •
• ,voted to table discussion of the ture for children, access from Long would cause problems due to the,
classroom until its July 13 meeting Lake Road, a low vandalism rate, number of children''using the!
to allow them to evaluate all the and its small size that would lend classroom who would be needing
possible park locations. itself to the use of the classroom. such services.
Previously,the council had tabled The main disadvantage appears to The classroom has been tern-
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em. porarily placed in City Hall Park un-
til a permanent location has been
• • , • • decided upon.
' "We need to make our choice very
carefully," Councilmember Sue
Hankner warned. "I'm not sure
- • Random Park is the right place or
that City Hall Park is the answer. I
• • ' don't see there's a great big rush." ' ,
• • Councilmember Gary Quick
. , agreed with Hankner, adding that
• the tabling also gives them time to
• look for another location in Random
' • • . Park that would be closer to Long
' • • Lake Road.
' In addition to looking into another
site at Kandom Park, the council •
• will seek information on Wellhouse
3, as well as additional information
'from the chief of police and Ramsey
County staff concerning the possible
• alternatives. -
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METRO MONITOR, June 1987 5
Plans for nawon ark Mississippi move forward
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To serve north - basically underserved," said Council parks planner Proposed North Mississippi Regional Park
Grant Scholen.
More picnic areas, walking paths, boating accessV a
Minneapolis, Brooklyn and fishing areas are needed to adequately serve j, kt` r �94
people in north Minneapolis, Brooklyn Center and the —
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surrounding suburbs, according to the study. --11* ' �
Center, suburbs Trails over the Camden and Interstate Hwy. 694 , Al
bridges will connect the park to Anoka Riverfront 1
etch your fishing pole and pack your picnic Regional Park on the east bank of the Mississippi.
basket. Twin Citians soon may be able to So far, the park plan has won approval from the gNpy�q�DUNZ`C
enjoy anew regionalpark alongthe Missis-
sippi
Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board, the Suburban ,� " x�� RIVERFROKT
1 Yg Hennepin Regional Park District, Anoka Countyand '4"�N' $ RECrIONAL PARK
River, if plans for the park win P g a
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approval from the Metropolitan Parks and Open Space Brooklyn Center. Theplan is set for discussion b YY the
Commission and the Metropolitan Council early this Metropolitan Parks and Open Space Commission in
June, with Metropolitan Council consideration t y ^.r
summer. 3Raoru YK ANTE a h�:
The proposed North Mississippi Regional Park sometime during July. KwtKf.APous li p
would occupy 87 acres along the west bank of the '
Mississippi, between the Camden bridge in North The park—to offer boating 1. ;,,
Minneapolis to Interstate Hwy. 694 in Brooklyn access, walking paths and 3
Center (see map). z
Although portions of the park are now accessible, picnic and fishing areas— .::
major new developments could be open to thepublic 4 4
as early as 1990. P may be open by 1990. � yr. �,
Following a request bythe Minnesota State 4°'`' , ' �4yf""` FR1MAR'
q Pending approval from both bodies, land WEBBER PARK a / NUNNeAPOUS
Legislature, the Council studied the idea of a regional acquisition for the park could begin this year for U
park on the Mississippi north of Minneapolis' Camden some of the property. Development of a trail from the - �-- -
area and found a clear need for a park there. The Camden Bridge to 45th Av. N. will also be a high 42"4Ave.N• +t ----P�Possu
population is more than adequate to justify a regional priority, according to the park's master plan. ;a TRA"s
park in this area, according to the study. The price tag for acquiring land and developing the �- NNEer;,`5"
The park would be accessible to large numbers of park would be at least $7 million. Funding for *floATAccES5
people, with more than 230,000 people living withinA7° """
regional parks is obtained through the state legislature. :–,-4 PRoPoszo
five miles of the proposed site. "The park is relatively The current 45,000-acre regional park system twesr5A K
well situated to serve disadvantaged populations," the includes 28 parks, 10park reserves and four trail QO"^'"T"^'N
study said. MiNNF1Pot 7,,,,:d e No-
t.
"Compared with the rest of the region, this area is corridors. ■ ', ,`'-<n, — '=d PARK
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