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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/26/2000 Agenda & Packet • MOUNDS VIEW Parks & Recreation Commission April 26, 2000, 6:30 p.m. City Hall Agenda 1. Call to order Frank 2. Approval of minutes Frank (Exhibit A) 3. MVCC/YMCA update Terri *(Exhibit B) 4. Request for Silverview path(contd.) .Terri (Exhibit C) 5. Sunnyside Playground Terri (Exhibit D) 6. Traffic Controls along Highway 10 .Rich (Exhibit E) 7. Park planning77797 All 8. Other business 9. Next meeting: • Available at meeting THANK YOU FOR CALLING IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND (763)717-4042 • • MOUNDS VIEW Exhibit A Parks& Recreation Commission March 29, 2000, 6:30 pm Minutes Commissioners present: Sherry Gunn, Frank Silvis, Rich Sonterre, Stan McDonald, Mike Szczepanski, Tony Zuk, Dawn Little, Theresa Lexcen, and Dave Long. Staff present: Terri Blattenbauer(YMCA) and Mike Ulrich(Public Works) A motion was made to approve the minutes from February 23, by Rich, seconded by Stan. John Hammerschmidt,the Bridges Golf Course Manager was present to inform the Commission of the Big Woods Planning Study. John discussed and showed maps of the course with normal rainfall and record rainfalls. He shared with the commission that it is up to Mounds View to decide what is done with land that is delineated wet lands. He asked for input on the direction of this project. Also,the status of Ardan Park was discussed, and movement of the compost site. The site can only be changed if the City adds and changes the driving range. There is also potential for the north side of Highway • 10. John indicated either 9 more holes, or an 18 hole chip 'n putt. There was side discussion on general questions the Commission had such as the billboards and the debt incurred, usage fees, and year round training. The Commission was asked to complete a questionnaire regarding the study. Mounds View Resident, Cliff Ash was present at the meeting. Cliff expressed appreciation for the paved trail around Silverview pond and for quick staff responses to his phone calls. He also wanted to communicate some concerns to the Commission: • The old portion of Silverview path is cracking • Tires in the pond by Scotland Green • New seeding is needed next to new path • Water lillie issue on pond(Parks Dept. has info. From Cliff on how to treat) • West side of the pond needs trimming Stan concurred with Cliff as to the cooperation by this volunteer group of individuals. Stan also mentioned the idea of having a liaison with the Commission, Public Works and the Silver Lake Woods Association. His point was to continue to utilize these individuals who are willing to help. Rich mentioned that a clean up day City-wide in conjunction with the Association may be a solution. A letter written by a resident and given to Commissioners was discussed, relative to the safety of the new path surrounding Silverview pond. The resident suggested making it a • walking path only. The group decided this was too restrictive for people,that signage and paint could identify proper direction and etiquette. • Stan made a motion to direct Mike Ulrich,Public Works Director,to make a recommendation to the Commission in April based on discussion and feasibility, towards a solution to the issue. Seconded by Dave. Motion carries. Mike Ulrich, Director of Public Works will be attending Commission meetings monthly. There is much confusion and frustration for the Commission without access to City information. Mike's attendance will hopefully alleviate this problem. Stan questioned redefining what it is that this group does. Since the YMCA came in, structure has changed, as well as,the flow of information. The group agreed on the importance of the budget and the need to find a vehicle to increase the park dedication fund. Staff informed the Commission of the upcoming summer programs, and what the new enhancements are for 2000. Summer playgrounds are extending to an 8 week program, adding 1 hour in the afternoon,value added components, increase in fees, collaborative with New Brighton to provide a program on the south side, and additional field trips. A manufactured home park is a new addition for the summer. A program will be developed at the Arden Manor park for afternoons. The Pinewood collaborative is changing to add more features than just the physical piece to their summer school program. Other programs being offered are: VB & BB camp, youth soccer clinic, baseball, softball, dance,preschool, swimming lessons, family nights in the park, babysitting certification, leagues, adult dance, and Sr. programs,teen nights,trips, Lakeside Beach, and birthday parties. A summary of the Playground focus group was reviewed. The focus group • essentially confirmed what was perceived. An update on program numbers indicate strong registration for spring sign up. The Park improvement wish list was briefly discussed. The list will again be addressed at the next meeting. In other business, Rich shared a memo regarding traffic controls along County 10. He has asked the Commission to support his request to the City council to change and improve traffic control measures. After much discussion, a motion was made. Stan made a motion to table this item until the next meeting, and also, for Mike Ulrich to fax the letter to Ramsey County for review. Seconded by Mike S. Motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m. Next meeting: Wednesday,April 26, 2000, 6:30 pm at City Hall • • Elizabeth Nelson 2669 Scotland Court #205 Mounds View,MN 55112 April 25, 2000 Dear Elizabeth, I wanted to respond to you regarding your follow-up letter regarding the Silver Lake trail system. Over the past week I have done some investigating into the trail and the history that led up to the decision to pave the remaining portions. During these investigations I have learned the following: A) The idea to pave the remaining pathways at Silverview Park was posed at a spring 1999 Parks Commission meeting. The idea was met with broad based enthusiasm,primarily because the commission thought that this work would make the park and the path more appealing and user friendly. B) Upon the initial idea to use newly allocated park dedication funds to pave the remaining sections of path,representatives of the city first met with the management of Scotland Green and the association members from the townhomes on the north side of the lake. This walk through meeting exp- lained where the pathways would run and how the surrounding land would be kept. The question of opposition or suggestion was posed to both groups. There was none. In fact Scotland Green was very pleased with the plan and offered to move any items necessary, including the playground equipment (property of Scotland Green, not the city). C) On April 30th, 1999 the City Council approved a public hearing to address any issues regarding the paving of the remaining pathways. D) On May 13th, 1999 the Parks Department sent out a memo to the residents living in the area surrounding Silverview Pond regarding the hearing. E) On May 26th, 1999 a well attended public hearing took place to discuss the the issue. Public support for the path was overwhelming if not unanimous. With the support of the community,the council passed the allocation of funds to pave the path. I have found that much of the intent of the original proposal was to improve the usability of the pathways. Increased usability was also a theme echoed at the public hearing and at the private meetings held with Scotland Green management and the Townhome Association. I feel that any restrictions placed on the pathways would work against the idea of greater usability and I do oppose restricting safe, enjoyable and healthful forms of recreation in our city parks. I am a strong supporter of the"safe"portion of the preceding sentence. I would support, and will attempt to initiate, steps made to make • each and every Mounds View City park a safe park. Including the defined direction and • side of walking verses biking and skating as previously presented to the Parks Commission. I sincerely hope that you see the reasons for my position on this issue. Your efforts to bring this issue of safety to our attention are commendable and all of the dialogue between us has been polite and sincerely enjoyable. I hope you will continue to contribute with your observations and input. Respectfully, Rich Sonterre Mounds View Parks Commissioner • • . • • • YMCA of Greater Saint Paul 1999 Financial Assistance Financial Branches Cateaory Total Total Total Participant Assistance Total Units- 1998 Units- 1999 Individuals Paid Granted Cost SKYWAY Adult 289 235 235 36,189.00 64,345.00 100,534.00 Family 83 47 165 12,000.00 23,544.00 35,544.00 S P Family 51 63 222 14,593.00 28,307.00 42,900.00 Senior 0 4 4 564.00 852.00 1,416.00 Youth 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 Day Camp 32 37 37 10,071.00 11,848.00 21,919.00 Child Care 0 4 4 12,960.00 12,960.00 25,920.00 TOTALS 455 390 667 86,377.00 141,856.00 228,233.00 EAST Adult 34 34 34 5,572.00 9,836.00 15,408.00 Family 29 15 64 3,413.00 5,659.00 9,072.00 S P Family 43 47 141 8,819.00 13,556.00 22,375.00 Senior 2 2 2 461.00 451.00 912.00 Youth 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 Day Camp 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 Child Care 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 TOTALS 108 98 241 18,265.00 29,502.00 47,767.00 MIDWAY Adult 116 153 153 28,334.00 44,194.00 72,528.00 Family 61 95 364 22,827.00 44,037.00 66,864.00 S P Family 66 38 124 8,044.00 13,268.00 21,312.00 Senior 1 9 9 1,546.00 2,222.00 3,768.00 Youth 2 62 62 2,916.00 8,472.00 11,388.00 Day Camp 16 31 31 10,485.00 8,065.00 18,550.00 Child Care 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 TOTALS 262 388 742 74,152.00 120,258.00 194,410.00 Page 1 Financial Branches Category Total Total Total Participant Assistance Total Units- 1998 Units - 1999 Individuals Paid Granted Cost NORTHEAST Adult 31 34 34 6,103.20 14,419.80 20,523.00 Family 43 42 184 13,459.28 23,622.72 37,082.00 S P Family 124 100 341 23,979.45 55,566.55 79,546.00 Senior 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 Youth 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 Day Camp 16 18 18 4,848.00 8,887.00 13,735.00 Child Care 1 1 1 396.00 315.00 711.00 TOTALS 215 195 578 48,785.93 102,811.07 151,597.00 NORTHWEST Adult 41 29 29 5,616.00 10,877.00 16,493.00 Family 71 60 244 20,297.00 31,740.00 52,037.00 S P Family 91 56 170 13,327.00 27,569.00 40,896.00 Senior 4 6 6 852.00 1,947.00 2,799.00 College-Youth 3 1 1 72.00 276.00 348.00 Day Camp 18 20 20 1,490.00 4,957.50 6,447.50 Child Care 115 79 79 91,942.92 87,924.88 179,867.80 TOTALS 343 251 549 133,596.92 165,291.38 298,888.30 SOUTH Adult 57 55 55 7,836.00 18,926.00 26,762.00 Family 48 56 238 17,626.30 26,887.70 44,514.00 S P Family 74 74 217 19,575.70 34,884.30 54,460.00 Senior 0 1 1 153.60 230.40 384.00 Youth 0 2 2 200.00 180.00 380.00 Day Camp 54 44 44 5,645.08 10,087.92 15,733.00 Child Care 0 2 2 61.00 224.00 285.00 TOTALS 233 234 559 51,097.68 91,420.32 142,518.00 • P. • i r • Financial Branches Category Total Total Total Participant Assistance Total Units - 1998 Units- 1999 Individuals Paid Granted Cost SOUTHWEST Adult 21 21 21 3,392.10 7,617.90 11,010.00 Family 39 38 157 12,426.00 21,144.20 33,570.20 S P Family 55 50 160 10,690.00 24,290.00 34,980.00 Senior 1 2 2 314.30 544.70 859.00 Youth 9 3 3 158.40 633.60 792.00 Day Camp 21 28 28 1,967.70 4,299.30 6,267.00 Day Care 40 34 34 10,021.00 7,909.00 17,930.00 SACC 129 160 160 39,038.00 36,197.00 75,235.00 TOTALS 315 336 565 78,007.50 102,635.70 180,643.20 SOUTHEAST Adult 38 45 45 6,136.30 18,827.70 24,964.00 Family 50 67 281 18,757.30 37,063.40 55,820.70 S P Family 108 100 346 21,647.20 48,670.80 70,318.00 Senior 2 6 6 975.00 1,899.00 2,874.00 Youth 8 6 6 168.00 372.00 540.00 Day Camp 79 90 90 5,593.54 10,177.46 15,771.00 Child Care 36 38 38 688.20 1,364.80 2,053.00 TOTALS 321 352 812 53,965.54 118,375.16 172,340.70 ST. CROIX VALLEY Adult 32 21 21 2,937.40 5,992.60 8,930.00 Family 52 37 146 9,170.80 17,326.20 26,497.00 S P Family 75 46 143 9,908.60 16,213.40 26,122.00 Senior 5 5 5 1,106.40 885.60 1,992.00 Youth 8 3 3 144.00 488.00 632.00 Day Camp 32 21 21 7,242.10 10,916.90 18,159.00 Child Care 48 63 63 9,419.98 6,033.70 15,453.68 TOTALS 252 196 402 39,929.28 57,856.40 97,785.68 MOUNDS VIEW Youth 0 27 27 169.80 536.20 721.00 Teen - Program 846.00 869.00 1,715.00 TOTALS 0 27 27 1,015.80 1,405.20 2,436.00 Page 3 Branches Category Total Total Total Participant Assistance Total Units- 1998 Units - 1999 Individuals Paid Granted Cost BRANCH TOTALS Adult 659 627 627 102,116.00 195,036.00 297,152.00 Family 476 457 1,843 129,976.68 231,024.22 361,000.90 S P Family 687 574 1,864 130,583.95 262,325.05 392,909.00 Senior 15 35 35 5,972.30 9,031.70 15,004.00 Youth 30 104 104 3,828.20 10,957.80 14,801.00 Day Camp 268 289 289 47,342.42 69,239.08 116,581.50 Child Care 200 187 187 115,468.10 108,822.38 224,290.48 Day Care 40 34 34 10,021.00 7,909.00 17,930.00 SACC 129 160 160 39,038.00 36,197.00 75,235.00 Teen - Program 0 0 0 846.00 869.00 1,715.00 TOTALS 2,504 2,467 5,142 585,192.65 931,411.23 1,516,618.88 CAMPS DU NORD Resident Camp 310 211 211 12,080.00 39,808.50 51,888.50 TOTAL 310 211 211 12,080.00 39,808.50 51,888.50 ST. CROIX Day Camp 18 13 13 605.00 1,035.00 1,640.00 Resident Camp 137 145 145 22,692.25 41,987.75 64,680.00 Adv. Learning Ctr 1,177 1,066 1,066 18,051.00 10,666.00 28,717.00 Environmental Ed. 340 1,640 1,640 31,080.00 15,007.00 46,087.00 TOTAL 1,672 2,864 2,864 72,428.25 68,695.75 141,124.00 WIDJIWAGAN Enviro. Ed. Groups 366 366 129,976.00 10,215.00 140,191.00 Resident Camp 528 110 110 79,592.00 78,444.00 158,036.00 TOTAL 528 476 476 209,568.00 88,659.00 298,227.00 CAMP TOTALS 2,510 3,551 3,551 294,076.25 197,163.25 491,239.50 GRAND TOTAL UNITS 5,014 6,018 GRAND TOTAL INDIVIDUALS 8,291 8,693 GRAND TOTAL DOLLARS - 1999 879,268.90 1,128,574.48 2,007,858.38 TOTAL DOLLARS - 1998 713,698.25 1,125,247.40 1,838,945.65 • P. • III MVCC/Recreation Update April 26, 2000 March/April Programs 2000 1999 Difference Preschool 34 34 0 Preschool Dance 8 11 -3 1st& 2nd Grade "Sports" 10 NA +10 Sunnyside Track 65 65 0 Pinewood Track 102 90 +12 Homeschool PE 12 NA +12 Little Sluggers 47 28 +19 T-Ball 40 46 -6 8-Ball 39 33 +6 Superball 28 21 +7 rd th 3 & 4 Softball 13 20 -7 5th& 6th Softball 16 16 0 Jr. High Softball 20 29 -9 Swimming Lessons 100 125 -25 Senior Dining 15 Ave. 12 Ave. +3 • Senior Exercise 23 Ave. 15 Ave. +8 Line Dancing 22 18 +4 55 Alive-4 Hour 59 58 +1 55 Alive-8 Hour 26 NA +26 Parents Night Out 9 NA +9 Softball Teams- Men 31 32 -1 Softball Teams-Women 5 6 -1 Totals 724 659 +65 Youth Open Gym 10+/day (Average)** Open gym varies day to day. On Adult Open Gym 25+/day (Average) half days & weekends we have Adult Open Volleyball 8+/day (Average) more. Summer Programs • Summer Playground programs at Hillview, Groveland and Lambert • Collaboratives with Pinewood School, Ardan Manor,New Brigton Parks and Recreation. • Playground Trips • Basketball Camp 0 • Volleyball Camp • • Soccer Clinic • Dance • Preschool Programs • Youth Baseball • Swimming Lessons • Babysitting Classes • Teen Nights • Ballroom Dance • Concerts in the Park • Walking Club • Adventure Camp • Lakeside Beach • Birthday Parties • Family Nights • 4 on 4 Basketball League • 55 Alive Courses • Senior Exercise • Senior Dining Exhibit C Elizabeth Nelson • 2669 Scotland Court, #205 Mounds View, MN 55112 April 16, 2000 Terri Blattenbauer, Program Executive YMCA/Mounds view Community Center 5394 Edgewood Drive Mounds View, MN 55112 Dear Terri, Unfortunately, I doubt I'll be able to attend the next Parks & Recreation meeting on April 26. I've been very ill with a walking pneumonia that seems to be particularly resistant to complete healing. May I ask you to please do as you did before, to circulate this follow-up • letter? All I can say is that I'll be there if I can. Thanks, Terri, for all. Si;cerely, / - Eliza•eth A. Nelson 612/783-0345 cc: Rich Sonterre 5060 Red Oak Drive Mounds View, MN 55112 • To: The Mounds View Parks & Recreation Commission cc: His Honor, The Mayor City Council members Re: The newly-paved path around Silver View Lake Thank you for taking my letter into consideration at your last meeting. I especially commend Rich Sonterre and other commissioners for trying to work out a compromise for the newly-paved path around Silver View Lake. Although I admire that effort, I would be remiss if I did not make a further attempt on behalf of walkers. As I thought about it, it occurred to me that some things shouldn't be compromised; some thing can't be compromised. So, I hope you'll give serious consideration to further thought/observation/evidence, along with my plea to designate the path a "walking only" path, and to do so quickly. I live right on the path. My computer is situated near a window that overlooks the path, and most of the day (for over ten years), I have (had) the opportunity to observe what occurs along my part of the path. In the past I have observed walkers as I will never see them again if you open this path to bikers and skaters: • I remember two young mothers with their babies in strollers, walking along two-abreast, chatting gaily...freely...without the fear that something mechanical might come AT them from around the bend. They will never be able to do that again...freely. • I remember a family of five; the parents were walking briskly and the three children were—well, doing what children do—hopping, jumping, fooling around, chasing each other, on and off the path... freely...without the threat of something suddenly speeding AT them. They will never be able to do that again...freely. • I remember a holiday, Thanksgiving Day, I think, a day when one eats a hearty meal and then feels the need to work it off. An older couple were walking along with someone who might have been their grandson. They were strolling three abreast, chatting happily...not having to be alert for a • fast-moving object coming AT them. They will never be able to do that again...freely. • Page 2 • And every day, I see children playing in the playground (not one foot from the path!). Do you really think they will be aware of signs and symbols and arrows? Walking should be a safe and free excursion, an opportunity for mind, body and spirit to sample all that nature freely gives, an exhilarating and joyful experience—stress-free, fear-free, safe. To compromise that is to defeat its very purpose. Why then, would we consider depriving walkers? Are we being overly sensitive to the possibility of opposition? I recall the meeting last year when we discussed paving the path. Commission members expressed their surprise when there was no opposition. With almost twenty-five people attending, NOT ONE was opposed to the paving of the path. The expectation failed to materialize. Could we not now designate the path for walkers only? IDIF opposition occurs, we can reassess. We can deal with it when and IF it becomes a reality...and not an imagined factor. Are we coming at the problem from an erroneous angle? Do we think we're depriving bikers and skaters of something...when in reality, they never had it in the first place? This has always been a walker's path! If anything, we are depriving walkers of the safe, stress-free, nature-bound path that has been theirs for over ten years! I don't know where bikers and skaters have biked and skated in the past. But,just because the path "is now there," is simply not a logical reason to give it over to them. Things don't have their place. When you build a volleyball court, you don t draw a line down the center and offer half of it to tennis players. When you construct a softball field, you don't invite volleyball players to hoist their net in the center of it. Subtly, we're dealing with the same issues, here. • My contention is that rapidly-propelled bodies (skaters) and fast-moving • Page 3 mechanical vehicles (bikers) have no ethical reason (no right!) to endanger or to discomfit walkers on a path that has been theirs for over ten years. I urge you—each member of the Parks & Recreation Commission—to safeguard this path for walkers, now. Therefore, I, Elizabeth A. Nelson, move, that the newly-paved path around Silver View Lake be designated a "walking only" path. (If this is not legal, or according to protocol, I hope one of the commissioners will make the motion for me.) Res ectfully submitted, Eliza. : A. Nelson Mounds View Resident • 612-783-0345 IP Exhibit D nrryskie Elementary School • committee March 29, 2000 Terri Blattenbauer Mounds View Park & Recreation 5394 Edgewood Drive Mounds View, MN 55112 Dear Terri, We are writing this letter to request your help in funding a new playground for Sunnyside Elementary School. We would appreciate your time and consideration. We have a twelve member committee that has been working for almost two years on this project to include careful planning and analysis of our equipment needs on our playground. We believe our 525 students at Sunnyside need and deserve a safer, more accessible and more exciting • playground. The structures we have now are over 11 years old and extremely worn as they have had very heavy use. One is a wooden structure that causes many slivers and scrapes on a daily basis and the other structure is metal with peeling paint and rust. Both pieces of equipment meet code from the era in which they were purchased but do not compare with today's stronger and safer equipment for children. The new equipment we are planning for is accessible to young children as well as physically challenged students. This is not the case with our current playground. Our new playground will include three phases. The first, an eight swing swingset one being handicapped accessible was completed in the spring of 1999. Sunnyside has not had swings for many years. This equipment has provided an activity that is not only fun but relaxing and calming as it meets the very special needs of a number of our students. The second and third phases replace the aged large playground areas we currently have. Each of these areas are estimated to cost roughly $33,000. Our plan is to save as much money as possibe by having volunteer parents do the installation and by using community help with needed excavation. We have worked with three companies in the planning stages and have selected the Miracle Recreation Company to provide us with the best quality and durability at a fair price. To date we have raised $21,000 toward the goal of purchasing phases two and three equipment. Through special fund raising events with our staff, students and parents we have • collected over $10,000 This represents student council, PTA, Sunnyside Carnival and a lot of general constituencies. Currently we have over $12,000 donated from local agencies that include $5,000 from the City of New Brighton, $2,500 from the Mounds View Lions, and $2,500 from the Mounds View / New Brighton Chamber of Commerce just to name a few. We have plans to work closely with a number of agencies in search of support for our playground needs. • Sunnyside School has approximately 525 students in grades Kindergarten through Grade 5. About 80% of our students live in the Mounds View community with 20% residing in New Brighton. Additionally, 33% of our students receive Free and Reduced lunch. We have a wonderful group of students that we feel deserve a safe and fun playground. Sunnyside is very lucky to have a dedicated group of parents and staff that would like to make this possible. We hope that you are willing to help. We are seeking a donation from The City of Mounds View to assist us with this project. We are requesting $5,000, however, any donation will be appreciated. If you have any questions or would like to meet with us, please call. We would love to show you our current playground and our plans for the new ones. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, II Doy\ 11118-e2". .., Don Mollan Cell: 651-470-2678 Home: 651-780-5323 Playground Committee Co-Chair Sunnyside Elementary School 2070 W. County Road H New Brighton, MN 55112 651-784-5226 0 Exhibit E To: Parks Commission Members • From: Rich Sonterre, Parks Commissioner Re: Traffic Controls Along Cnty. 10 March 29, 2000 I would appreciate your support to make a request of the city council that would change and improve the traffic control measures along County Road 10. Specifically, I would ask the council to support a plan in which immediate dialogue between the City of Mounds View, Ramsey County and The State D.O.T. would take place to; 1) Change the traffic controls at the intersection of Edgewood Dr. and County Road 10 so that southbound traffic on Edgewood would . have both a green light and green turn arrow, while northbound traffic would be held at a red light. Then after an acceptable period of time, the northbound traffic would be given the same signal while southbound traffic was held at a red light. 2) Change the pedestrian cross walk lights to coincide with the pattern of the stoplights. I believe that this change would significantly reduce the level of confusion and congestion at the intersection, as well as make the crossing of County Rd. 10 less hazardous. Ideally, this method of traffic control would be implemented at every intersection along County road 10 from County Rd. H to Silver Lake Rd./Red Oak Dr. • Thank You. 0 ,-.:,_..--,==__,_____,_ -_ _ 1 2-1=, v, r- c _ - 3 dols __ __ ,,,,g ( • q-"' 1.1.4 Q X x -0- - -* - __ .-4::,.-4::, -I, 57`bP ...----7\/vil 0 0 • G ` N 0 C:t'44L 1:01 z =:, Q � ---171'-.,- ---717:- :,.2 a �,w�� X ILS7::::11-11:71- `� �-o-- �o-- a-4- a- - V • \--ge:, 1111MMI711 ==