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c3 . 1 - -said his notes of - the Commission hearing indicated the abstentions ? 2 had been prompted° by the. two -Commissioners . approvi.ng the .concept but 3 disapproving of the 'limitation of the hours ; 4 said he perceived they had not wanted to have the �use denied 5 -altogether and therefore voted 'to abstain rather than vote against 6 ' it; 7 disputed that the tenant -or customer mix in Apache was different than 8 - in any other community shopping center , including Southdale , where 9- his firm operated an amusement center for 26 . years ; Brookdale where 10 they operated until the space was needed for a liquor establishment ; 11 or Ridgedale where they have operated since the center was opened; 12 said as a parent -he is glad to have .his child go to a supervised 13 establishment; 14 said if his child goes to any of the Picadilly Circus arcades , she 15 would be in a place where smoking is :.not permitted, which would .not 16 be true of the Apache Bowling Alley or any other bowling alley where 17 not only is smoking allowed, but there is wine or beer served right 18 where the same- video games are played in that type of establishment. 19 Commissioner London said he perceived Mr . Pink might have correctly 20 characterized John Madden' s view because he was one of ' the •21. Commissioners who had proposed an amendment which would allow the 22 arcade to be open for different hours than the mall. However , he 23 disputed Mr . Pink' s assumption about his own abstention because his 24 vote indicated "I didn' t like anything about the arcade and 25 realizing there was no way of defeating the -motion, just . 26 abstained. " 27 Councilmember Ranallo said that vote had not been a "bad thing" with 28 him and pointed to the fact that the Council had not followed the 29 Commission' s recommendation about the second caretaker unit , 30 perceiving 'that was an advisory on which the Council had to make its 31 own decision. 32 applicants admit Having to Call Police to Their Arcades 33 Councilmember Ranallo then asked Mr . Heilicher whether he -was saying 34 he had never had to call the police to any of his arcades . when the 35 Picadilly Circus owner said he didn' t believe they ever had to do 36 that , Mr . Pink corrected him by saying he believed it would be 37 "inaccurate to say that in 26 years we have never had to call the 38 police to any of our establishments . " However , he added, . that he 39 didn' t think there was a business in town which didn' t have to call 40 the police for shoplifting, etc . 41 Councilmember Ranallo told Mr . Heilicher he had nothing against 42 American Amusement and knew nothing about their management style , .43 but that he did know for certain that there had been police calls 11