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� f , =5-' 1 Commissioner -Madden said he had. certainly- tried to .accurately'convey the Com- • 2 mission's concerns about the sign request when- he reported those minutes to the 3 Council and he reminded the Commission members that it had been his own suggestion 4 that the Karate studio request- be laid over for. 30 days because the applicant 5 had failed to appearat the hearing in spite of the letter from the Manager 6 notifying him that his presence would be required at the Commission hearing on 7 his request. However, Commissioner Madden. said, the other Commission members had 8 prevailed because, he said, they had,been 'told the applicant had a lease and they 9 believed they shouldn't hold him .up from opening on -the lease date., so the decision 10 was made that the matter should -be sent, instead, to the Council , with a recom- 11 mendation for denial so the Council could decide .whether the applicant had a 12 valid reason for not showing up at the Commission hearing. 13 14 Commissioner Madden said when the. applicant appeared before the Council the next 15 week, he told them he had gotten the date wrong and was in the midst of a divorce, 16 which the Commissioner said, the -Council accepted as an excuse for his absence. 17 The Commissioner added that the- sense of the direction -he had gotten from the four 18 other Commissioners had been to "give the guy a chance to get his application 19 approved the next week". 20 21 Commissioner Hansen said 'he wasn'tquestioning how the minutes were reported, 22 but "the bottom line is that I talked to Dave Childs three weeks ago and he said 23 the Curtis Mathes owners were going to be' cited right away". Since this had not 24 happened, Commissioner Hansen asked the Manager just what the status of the case 25 was, but before Mr. Childs could given an answer, the Commissioner stated that 26 "regardless what that reply might be, I believe this is just another example • 27 where at least half of the Commission foresaw there might be problems with this 28 request and, the Council , whether in good faith or not, had been too accommodating 29 to a business which they believed would be great for the shopping center and which 30 they didn't want to lose". 31 32 Mr. Childs' response was that he had, over the last 15 years, worked for five 33 different city councils and planning boards and had concluded that "this Council 34 listens to this Planning Commission more than any other I 've ever worked with". 35 He said "the number oftimes the Council has overturned what the Commission had 36 recommended, or ignored that-'recommendation, -had been minimal as compared to 37 what had happened. in other communities". The Manager said further that St. 38 Anthony is the only City he knows of where the "Council actually receives the 39 Commission recommendation directly from. a Commission representative", and he con- 40 cluded by saying, he believes in most cases, the Council listens to the Commission 41 and agrees with their recommendations a lot more times than he had ever observed 42 another Council doing. 43 44 Commissioner Hansen said he wasn '=t saying the Council didn't listen, he was just 45 questioning whether the Commission's feelings about issues had been accurately 46 reported to them. The Manager told him he was certain that in both these cases, 47 the Commissioners" concerns had been gotten across- accurately, but it had been 48 his observation that understandings of various issues could change from week to 49 week--often depending on whether or' not the applicants were able to give the -Council 50 a better understanding of the issues involved -than they had given the Commissioners 51 the previous week. • 52 53 In regard to the sign problem, the- Manager told Commissioner Hansen that, after 54 he had talked to' the Commissioner, the Police had, been sent to the store to 55 inform the owners that if they didn't take the signs down, they would be cited