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1 Commissioner. Werenic.z.. added that none of the above had faulted • 2 Arcade Amusement' s management. per se -and he .was told - "you do .run a 3, fine business" , but it ' s just. that. type of business which seems to 4 gather certain crowds and -. .the problems associated with those . 5 crowds. 6 :The Commissioner said to put the crowds of teenagers who would .be 7 attracted to, this type of .business and the problems associated -with 8 that right next to the older drinking crowdcould lead to nothing 9 but trouble. He asked how Mr. Heilicher was going to prevent the 10 younger customers from asking the. bar patrons to get liquor for 11 them from the off-sale store close by. 12 The arcade representative told him "kids are going to get liquor 13 if they want to no matter what" and he did not perceive this 14 establishment would be contributing any further to that problem. 15 Commissioner Werenicz told him he perceived the arcade would be 16 providing another source for them. Mr. Heilicher reiterated that 17 no other space had been available to them at Apache and said "if 18 you have a problem with Friday and Saturday nights and you want us 19 to close with the mall, we can accommodate that. " 20 When Commissioner Werenicz told him he perceived the three pool 21 tables would attract more of the long term "hanger outers" , Mr. 22 Heilicher disputed that assumption, saying that had not been a 23 problem in his other establishments and rather, they had senior 24 citizens coming in to play pool in the daytime and fathers and 25 sons have an increased interest in the game since the movie "The 26 Color of Money" had come out. " He said there had been a surge of 27 interest in the game and his place, which is not a bar, has 28 attracted a lot of people to come in and play in the arcades. He 29 perceived these places offered a good place for kids to come and 30 play pool under close supervision. 31 Chair Franzese said she would hate to have her three teenage 32 sons , who just love pool, go to this location, which is right next 33 to rhe bar, because they wouldn ' t be associating with only kids who 34 play the games but people who have been drinking from next door. 35 Mr . Heilicher said he couldn' t see why the bar patrons would want 36 to come in to play pool, but added if they do, they wouldn' t be 37 the only adults in the place because many young adults like to 38 play the more sophisticated games they have in their establish- 39 ments. He said his people maintain "complete control" and he was 40 certain there would be no problems for her boys. 41 The other proponents then spoke and answered questions as follows : 42 Cavanaugh told Commissioner Wingard all the other spots available 43 in Apache were too large for the arcade which only re- 44 quires about 1 , 800 square feet ; 14