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City Council Regular Meeting Minutes November 13, 2007 Page 6 Councilmember Thuesen asked City Engineer I-lubmer to discuss the pros and cons relative to the need to dig up concrete versus asphalt for maintenance. City Engineer Hubmer compared the processes, maintenance costs, and work involved with each. He explained that digging up and replacing concrete requires greater area of street replacement, and curing and maintenance time. He explained that a smaller area of asphalt could be dug up to complete the repairs and generally completed in one day. 9 Discussion ensued on the concrete versus asphalt cost ratio. 10 11 Councilmember Horst requested City Engineer Hubmer speak to the technologies Public Works 12 might require with the two different street materials. 13 14 City Engineer Hubmer replied wholesale maintenance is contracted out for both asphalt and 15 concrete as it is more cost effective. He stated the City did not have the equipment, nor was it 16 cost effective for a City the size of St. Anthony to own it. 17 18 Discussion ensued on concrete streets in other cities. City Engineer Hubmer commented 19 Minneapolis is replacing concrete streets with concrete streets; however, he is not aware of any 20 other cities doing the same. 21 22 Mayor Faust invited Task Force members to speak. 23 24 Mr. Brian Rude, Task Force Member, reviewed several points from the task force report. He 25 commented concrete would cost 6.8 percent more than asphalt. He explained that the cost for 26 concrete is spent up front and saved in the end. He explained how this equates to cost savings for 27 the residents on concrete streets and the City. He raised issues that were not addressed by the 28 Task Force or City Council, such as the overall maintenance cost of concrete streets for the past 29 50 years. He stated the PCI chart was not discussed in detail. Ile stated it has to do with 30 drivability and not maintenance. He commented that people on concrete streets would prefer to 31 keep them. He stated the only city that does a lifecycle analysis is Minneapolis. He commented 32 that in his discussion with other Cities, they were surprised that it is only 6.8 percent difference 33 in cost over asphalt. I -Ie indicated that residents are waiting to see the financial information and 34 their chance to express their opinions and hopes Council is open to hearing their comments. 35 36 Mr. Allen Otte, Task Force Member, stated he had three concerns as to how this information 37 would be used. He indicated that first, he believes that a bias is created as all members live on a 38 concrete street; secondly, members of the task force are not on the fixed income; and third, no 39 one living on the existing asphalt community were on the task force. I -Ie stated he agrees that 40 Resolution 7-22 passed in January 2007, was the right decision and sees nothing in the report 41 that causes him to change his opinion. He urged Council to make the decision logically and not 42 emotionally. 43 44 Mr. Dennis Cavanaugh, 2909 St. Anthony Blvd, spoke in support of replacing concrete with 45 asphalt. He provided his perspective on the streets of St. Anthony. He stated the bottom line is 46 that St. Anthony is a small community with two road material — 60 percent asphalt and 40 C1