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C= TY O F S T _ ANTHONY .
PLANY�2NG COMM= SS =ON AGEIN,DA.
S EPTEMBE R 1 5 1 9 8 7
7 _ 30 P _ M _
I . Call to Order.
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II . Roll Call.
III . Minutes.
A. Planning Commission Minutes - August 18 , 1987 .
IV. Designate Commission Representative to the Council
Meeting on September 22 , 1987 .
V. Public Hearings.
A. 7 : 35 P.M.. - Village Properties (Ken Solie) , 2916
Pentagon Drive, request for
amendment to City Zoning Ordinance.
(This request had been tabled at
the last Planning Commission
meeting. )
B. 7 : 50 P.M. - American Amusement Arcades, 850
Decatur Avenue, Minneapolis,
request to operate an amusement
arcade at Apache Plaza.
VI . Miscellaneous.
VII . Adjournment.
C= 11C-Z O F S T . ANTHONY
P L ANN=N G C OMM= S S=ON M 2 NUT E S
AUGUS T 3- 8 , 1 9 8 7
1 The meeting was opened by Chair Franzese at 7 : 30 P.M.
2 Present for roll call: Franzese, London, Wingard, Hansen,
3 Wagner, Werenicz, Madden.
4 Also present: David Childs , City Manager
5 JULY 21, 1987 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
6 Motion by Hansen, seconded by Wagner to approve with the following
7 changes:
8 Page 3 , line 34: Substitute 11300" for "3200" . .
9 Page 4 , .line 3 : Delete "but" .
10 Page 4 , li-ne 34:' Substitute "asked" for "ask" .
11 . Page 5, line 3 : Correct typo. "proposed:'..
12 Page 5 , line 17 : Correct typo "thast
�13 Page 6 , line 33 : Substitute "in" for "on" .
4 Page 7 ; line 3 : Substitute "residence" for "resident" .
15 Page .. 7 , line 22 :. Substitute "Jake" for "Jay" .
16 Page 8 , line 31: Correct typo "about" .
17 Page 11 , line 2 : Correct typo 11$9 ,00011 .
18 Page 11 , line 9: Correct typo "there" .
19 Page 12 , line 39: Insert "was" after "project" . .
20 Motion carried unanimously.
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22 FRANZESE TO REPRESENT COMMISSION. AT AUGUST- 25TH COUNCIL .MEETING
23 The Commission. Chair indicated she would be able to report the minutes
24 of this meeting at -the above. -
25 PUBLIC HEARINGS
26 Request for Zoning Ordinance Amendment for' Additional Caretaker Unit in
27 Mini-Warehouse Facility Postponed Until September
28 At 7 : 43 P.M. , the Chair opened the hearing on the above by reading the
29 notice at the hearing which had been published in the. August 5th
30 Bulletin and mailed to owners of record of properties - within 350 feet of
31 the subject property. No one present reported failure to receive the
32 notice or objected to its content.
1033 Staff Report
34 Mr. Childs reported Ken -Solie had called him that day and suggested
35 that, since neither he nor Jerry Cowan could make the meeting that
36 evening, action on their request be delayed another month. The
37 applicant had also indicated delaying the matter another month would be
38 no problem.
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1 Commission Action.
2 Motion by Wingard, seconded by Hansen to postpone action on Village
3 Properties ' Ordinance amendment request until the Commission' s September
4 meeting.
5 Motion carried unanimously.
6 OTHER BUSINESS
7 Supreme Court Decision Related to - "Taking Property" Might Not Be As
8 Threatening to Municipalities as First Assumed
9 Because it was too early to hold the next public hearing, Mr. Childs
10 asked if the Commissioners had any further questions on the conclusions
11 drawn in the Gene Franchette & Associates study he had included in the
12 Commission agenda packet.
13 Developers to be Selected for Final Phase of Kenzie Project
14 Mr. Childs reported the following about the above:
15 *the H.R.A. ' had received four "good" proposals from reputable
16 firms to complete the above project;
17 *this final phase had originally envisioned acquiring and demolish- '*
18 ing the old St. Anthony Village Shopping Center and replacing it
19 with 300 units of rental housing at market rate for persons -55
20 and over;
21 *a more recent market study had said the market was just not there
22 for that type of project but rather 200 units with 100 senior and
23 100 general occupancy units would meet the tax increment and
24 market requirements for the project;
25 *the Lang/Nelson company had proposed to build two three story
26 buildings in a phasing process with part senior and the other
27 part non-senior with underground parking;
28 *The P.J. Gaughan Company, who had built the LaBelle Park condos
29 in Columbia Heights, is proposing to, all in one phase, con-
30 struct two, three story buildings with the same mix and with
31 underground parking;
32 *Sherman Boosalis , another Twin Cities ' developer, had -indicated
33 they wanted to construct, in phases, 240 units of half senior and
34 half non-senior in two three story buildings;
35 *Kraus Anderson in combination with Walker Methodist Residences
36 and the Stuart Companies .-had proposed a project with two 4 story •
37 buildings and a retail commercial strip of 17 , 000 square feet.
38 Walker would provide 80 units of senior housing; Stuart proposes
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1: ' . : •100 units €or: gefteral occupancy and Kraus Anderson would construct
2 the commercial portion,. .
, ' 3 The Manager said the H.R.A: would be reviewing those :proposals, looking
4 at each developers' financial strength and judging the proposals on how
5 they related--*to the design guidelines, etc. , which had -been established
6 for the project. He said- he -expected two of these companies to be.
7 interviewed prior to the Council meeting. and during the H.R.A. meeting
. 8 scheduled to 'be'• held August 25th, with possibly one of them being
- .9 selected at that time. . If one. developer is named that evening, :they . .
10 would be given * 30 days to workout a Redevelopers Agreement for doing-
11 the project., If no agreement is worked out by then, the next highest. .
12 ranking contractor would_ be -contacted to try to negotiate an acceptable
. 13 agreement with the H.R.A. , according to Mr. Childs. He added that all
14 four developers had appeared to meet all minimum requirements for a
15- "solid" developer with the financial strength to do a project which
16 would meet the tax increment needs of the . City and all wanted to get
17 started right away.
. 18 With public hearings required before both the Commission and Council
19 once a developer is selected, and the time it would probably take to
20 acquire the land, Mr. Childs said he thought it would probably not be
21 before spring when construction could start, even though a few of the
V2 firms had indicated a willingness to get going by February. The Manager
23 then invited the Commissioners to look at the copies of the proposals
24 which are available' at .City Hall.
25 The Manager then brought the Chair -up to date on the new retail . center
26 being constructed west of the Apache Mall, saying he understood the
27 building had been constructed to the point where tenants could finish
28 them to their own needs. The next public hearing scheduled for that.
29 evening was opened at 7 : 50 P.M. , as scheduled.
30 CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARINGS -
31 .Request for Temporary Office Facility for Minnesota Scientific Gains
32 Recommendation for Approval Under Certain Conditions
33 *The Chair read the notice of the -hearing, which had been published in
'34 the August 5th Bulletin and 'sent to all property owners of record within
35 350 feet of the. sub.ject property. No one present reported failure to,
36 receive the notice or objected -to its content.
37 Application: for a Special Use Permit to allow:Minnesota Scientific. . .
38 to locate- a .12 foot X 56 ,foot temporary mobile office on
39 -the east: side of -the building they lease from Donatelle
40 Properties at 3839 Chandler Drive,- until December, 1988 .
41 - Supporting
&2' Documents: July. 29th letter , from'.the -Minnesota Scientific President,
43 Bruce LeVahn;
4 •
1 Mr' -• Childs' August 14th. memorandum related to..the.•
2 .request proposing.-conditions which he• perceived. should
3 be imposed if . the Commission decides to recommend.
4 approval.
5 Staff report:._ Childs reiterated the advice .in his memo as well as the
6 • direction- from the City Attorney that the matter should-
7 be handled under a Conditional Use Permit since the City '
8 doesn' t -specifically address- temporary structures of this
9 type; o .
10 said a -permit of this type would._not assume the use is
11 allowed and would give the City the option of imposing
12 ' reasonable conditions upon- its use, thus giving the Com- -
13 mission and Council two decision points;
14 included .in the Commission' s task that night would be to
15 determine whether the use is allowed at all and to recom-
16 mend the conditions under which the Council should grant
17 a temporary permit to the applicants for the detached
18 mobile structure they were requesting;
19 reported there had been no calls either for or against
20 _ the proposal.
21 Proponent: Mr. LeVahn repeated information. he had given in his.
22 letter related to the reasons his firm needs the extra
23 housing before they move to larger facilities Dona-
24 telle has promised to provide in New Brighton when
25 ' their lease expires;
26 indicated his firm' s sales and marketing - offices would
27 be located in the mobile structure which would have to be
28 sited at least four feet away from the building to. allow.
29 access;
30 reported he had viewed one of the Gelco Space mobile .
31 offices that day and had seen for himself that the pro
32 posed structure would be the - same length as the-building.
33 " itself so it would present a- pleasing appearance which
34 would not- be detrimental to the neighborhood;
35 said he would- be willing to skirt the structure if . the
36 City wanted him to.
37 Commission
38 reaction:- Madden -questioned whether••the front of the building
39 actually faced Foss Road..rather than Chandler Drive .and
40 . wondered -if the temporary structure couldn' t be located .
41 . on the west side;.
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1 acknowledged that. there was -a dock on that .side but said
2 , by doing- that, the trailer would not be next to:.the . resi-
3 dence ,on Chandler Drive;
4 was told by' the •firm' president the building' s address is
5 . Chandler Drive -and even though there might. be an access.,
6 on the far south .side : of the- building,. the Chandler Road
7 access would be easier in the winter;
8 Hansen was told the distance .the trailer could be sited
9 from the- building would depend on the type of wall
10 materials used and that the codes would be checked
11 regarding that _point before a building permit would be
12 issued;
13 questioned why the request had not reflected the firm' s
14 intent of moving when . the. lease expired in October;
-15 was told by Mr. LeVahn that, with the kind of rents
16 Gelco charged, there was little chance the trailer
17 would be left on the site once Minnesota Scientific had
18 moved. '
•L9. Wingard was told by Mr. LeVahn that the existing ash
20 tree should not be disturbed when the trailer . is put in
21 place and that any sod which is damaged, would be- re 22 placed when his firm moves.
23 Franzese was told by Mr. Childs that he had been unable
24 to find records for specific permits for similar uses
25 although he recalled a request for a trailer next to
26 Central Engineering while that firm' s building was
27 . being expanded and that the trailer Elmwood Church had
28— indicated they needed during °construction had never been
29 put on that site.
30 Neighbor
31 Concerns: Bill Graff , 3824 Foss Road N.E. , ' indicated his only con-
32 cern was that when Minnesota Scientific moved out of
33 that the trailer be removed at the same time;
34- added, however,• that since Mr. LeVahn.had assured the
35- Commission that•would be :done; he•- would not be .against
36 the 'City granting the permit.
37 No other persons were. present to provide further input and the- Chair
•. 38 -closed the' hearing at 8 : 03 P.M., for Commission consideration of a
39 recommendation ,-to the Council. .
6
1 Commission Action
2 Motion by Wingard, seconded by Wagner to recommend the Council grant .a
• 3 Special Use Permit. .to Minnesota Scientific which would allow the company.
4 to temporarily install the .-672 square.,foot- mobile office they propose
15 on the east side of their building -at 3839 Chandler Drive, on the
6 condition that:
7 *the trailer would be removed within 10 days of the date of Minne
8 sota Scientific moves: .from their current building, but in any
9 event, the permit be issued for no later than December, 1988 ;
10 *the structure meets all applicable building, electrical, fire
11 and placement codes;
12 *the trailer be properly skirted and otherwise installed to be
13 aesthetically pleasing to the neighborhood;
14 *no trees be removed from the site to accommodate the structure;
15 *the area where the trailer is sited be resoded or reseeded as
16 needed, once the structure is removed;
17 *the permit only apply to the operations of Minnesota Scientific .
18 and -that immediate removal should be required should they._cease
19 operations prior to the expiration of the permit.
20 In recommending the permit be granted., the Commission. finds there have
21 been no expressions of neighborhood objection to the. permit .and the only
22 person who spoke at the - Commission hearing was the next- door neighbor
23 who said he . had no objections to the permit per. se, but..was only
24 concerned that the trailer be removed at the- same time Minnesota
25 Scientific- vacates the premises .
26 Motion carried unanimously.
27.- City' s Negotiations. on Parkview Building Reported .
28 When Commissioner Wingard had indicated he would like to see the City
29 find an acceptable site in St. Anthony to which Minnesota Scientific
30 could relocate rather than having Donatelle.-construct a building for
31- them in, New Brighton, Mr.-. Childs, facetiously suggested -the-. Parkview
32 building- might have the -10 ,000 square feet of . space Mr. LeVahn was
33 looking for.
34 In a more.' serious vein, -the..Manager. _gave the; above report which had been..
35 requested by Commissioner Hansen, tellinq. the..,.Commissioners that:. .
36 *a while 'agb, District ' #282 had. approached the City to .ascertain •
37 its interest in acquiring that building;
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1 *he and-several Councilmember-s -had been :authorized..to. negotiate
2 with- the School -Board' s -representatives;
3 • *the City had- come up with a package which was basically what .the
4 —school wanted at that time, and which the City- agreed to,- under
5 ' .which the City would build :a parking lot and play ground for the
6 school and would maintain the grounds around the school• for the
7 - next two years, which would -cost between $80 ,000 and .$90 ,000 ,to
8 do;
9 . *some time later, the School Board indicated they needed an ap- _
10 praisal made- of the building and had a study made of what it would
11 cost them to move out of Parkview which turned out to be $273 , 000
12 of which the- School District only has about $20 ;000 each for the
13 next two years ;
14 *the School District said they were willing to pay about $60 ,000
15 of the moving costs, which put the school and the City about
16 $120 , 000 apart.
17 The School' s appraisal indicated the land was worth. about $240 ,000 and
18 the building itself about $.70 ,000 . The School District study had
19 suggested a desirable use of the property would be to demolish the
0 building and erect single family homes on the site and they appear to be
1 considering doing that as one of their options.
22 Mr. Childs indicated the City had begun to question whether, it would be
23 worth the City' s while to spend $200 ,000 for the building and then
24 another $200-250 , 000 to convert a •portion of the building for the Fire
25 Department and to make the other improvements the City would want to,
26 including putting 'on a new roof and making the necessary changes to the
27 heating system. He said firm figures on doing that should be available
28 by the :end of the week.
29 In the meantime, the School is jockeying around lots of ideas,, including
30 tearing; down ' the .building which the Manager perceived could be very
31 interesting because that would force the eviction of the City.
32 If the City does not remain in Parkview, Mr. Childs said some
33 arrangements would have to be made to add on the -existing fire station -
34 or construct a new building, or find some alternate space somewhere.
35 The 'City Manager -pointed out that the, City had given -the- Parkview
36 property to the School District on the condition it be -used only for
37 school 'purposes back in 1951. However., that' condition had been _negated
38 by the rule of law which says such -a condition is only good for -30 years
39 which means the City' s rights expired. in 1981 . the . City' s position
40 remains -that -since St. Anthony had given the .School District the land
41 : for the school-, it= •doesn' t make sense. to spend. -tax payers -,money to get
02 it---back.. - -He -said the school ' s: initial argument . for even charging
43 Anything for the building in the .f:i-rs.t place -had been that New Brighton
44 :tax ' payers were. alto -involved and-,.the School Board was only trying to .
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1 satisfy� their interests. Having..gon-e from .zero to the new high .
2 figures , °Mr. Childs said he didn' t know where .the. City would end up, . .but
3 the full bodies of both the City Council and School Board would meet in
4 a joint session to try to talk about their respective positions sometime.
5 during the week after -Labor Day. It would be after that meeting that
6 the City would make a decision .about whether to spend lots of money to
7' take' over Parkview or to move elsewhere, in which case, it would be up
8 to the School District to figure out what to do with the building.
9 Commissioner Hansen reported he had attended all the School Board .
10 meetings where the issue had- been discussed and decided that,. . if it came
11 down to making a cul du sac and building from 9 to- 11 homes on the
12 property, it would become an issue in which not only -the Council but the
13 Planning Commission would be involved. He, therefore, said-he believed
14 it was imperative that the Commission be kept informed.
15 Mr. Childs said he didn' t think the School Board members who might be
16 seriously thinking of taking on a big development project like that had
17 really understood the costs they would incur doing that. The Manager
18 added that it -might be hard. to sell the taxpayers on tearing down a
19 building which, although it might need some repairs, certainly w.asn't
20 dilapidated or falling down at this stage.
21 Commissioner Hansen pointed out that the School Board seemed to be •
22 working with figures which indicated it would cost $100 ,00.0 to repair
23 the roof where the City had an estimate indicating it would only cost
24 between $60 ,000-$62 ,000 . He said he assumed from this , that the City
25 had a lot better grasp on what it would- cost to convert, rather than to
26 redevelop the property.
27 Mr. Childs said he wanted to be certain his figures were.-accurate
28 because "that' s the kind of thing people never forget. " Commissioner
29 Hansen agreed, saying the City kept better minutes of its meetings so
30 extravagant claims like the roof repair figure could never be made.
31 The Commissioner said he sensed that when the School District realized
32 the change could never be made this fall, the whole process. had slowed
33 down. Mr. Childs said that would give both parties the opportunity to
34 get their cost estimates together and would give people a better chance
35 to talk about the issues which are involved.
36 In reference to the empty lots on what was the school property across
37- the street, the Manager told Chair- Franzese-,construction, of a home on
. 38 one of the lots was going" to start next week and he didn' t. know why the
39 other property.owners were so slow in building. .
40 Staff Is :Working on- .Ways of Cutting Down on Flooding Damage
41 When Commissioner Wingard :-suggested: it might have been. when water- was up
: 42 -to the doorsteps of :one of -the newly built houses in the Hertog
43 ,Develo P ment that the owner. decided to- put it up :for-.sale. Mr. : Childs. •
44 ind cated• on the wall map the •,Iocation•:of landlocked land between 31st
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1 and 3:2nd Avenues and ,.Coolidge. :Street and Silver . Lake .Road fora which
2 staff. was seeking -proposals form two engineering- firms -to do a.
3 feasibility study on digging. out a _holding pond behind some, of those
4 houses in which to store , some: of the rain which accumulates in. that.:area
. 5 after every heavy rainfall. This .might alleviate some. of the flooding
6- problems people have experienced::over - the years, although it' would be
7 almost impossible to prevent all :-the- problems they experienced with the
8 last - two "rains of the century, ',' -he added.
9 The Manager assured Commissioner Wingard that staff had not just
10 forgotten about those problems --and. were also considering the purchase of
11 75 manhole cover liners which- would prevent storm water from seeping
- 12 into the sanitary sewer system at: the same time it let sewer gas .out.
13 Mr. Childs said each liner would cost the City $40 but it was perceived
14 that would be a good expenditure when the damage to homes from sanitary
15 sewer lines backing up is considered.
16 City Ordinance Already Provides Vehicles for Dealing With Vicious
17 Animals
18 Mr. Childs indicated the above in response to a question from the Chair
19 related to Pitt Bull Terriers .— He read the sections in the Ordinance
20' which authorized the killing of the animal if the Police or Animal
021 rescue workers are not able to safely take them alive. Commissioner
22 Werenicz reported he ' knew of a' Minneapolis "crack house" in North
23 Minneapolis where he and the Minneapolis "entry team" would be
24 conducting a search which no doubt would end in- the elimination of just
25 such a guard dog.
26 ADJOURNMENT
27 Motion by Hansen, seconded by Madden to adjourn the meeting at 8 : 30 P.M.
28 Motion carried unanimously.
29
30 Respectfully submitted,
31 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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APPROVAL :
September 11 1987 )
TO :
Plan i Commission
FROM :
David M. Childs City Manager
T T EM : AMERICAN AMUSEMENT ARCADES. - AMUSEMENT DEVICE REQUEST
This is a request from American Amusement Arcades- to operate--an -
amusement arcade at Apache Plaza in the location formerly used by the
St. Anthony off-sale liquor store.
Amusement establishments are permitted conditional uses in the Zoning
Ordinance and as such, the Commission should determine in their
deliberations whether certain conditions are necessary or desirable
for this proposed operation.
The applicant does not plan to serve food or beverages in the .
operation.
The number of machines is currently limited by the number of licenses
available. The applicant will be using the amusement device licenses
currently held by Apache Plaza Ltd. The Commission may want to
further limit the number of devices as part of the conditions (say
40, 50, 60, etc. machines) . This would be based on the fact that
licenses could become available as other locations do not renew them.
City Ordinances presently call for a maximum of 106 amusement device
1•icenses to be issued in St. Anthony.
No calls have been received for or against this request, but the
Commission may have their own questions of the applicant.
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Fee: $100 . 00
• CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
Application for Conditional Use Permit
(other than day care center) .
Applicant �fr1Er%.'i^Arl �11)� .�r,.p�id''i C �C�� ��I�� r�+�"'�t�= Phone ���'
Address �S� � C u2 I��J( 1z �`�cLO�rl VA!1_.-_"1 �ti1f1 ✓''1a-1
Status of ,applicant. (owner, buyer, renter, agent, etc. ) 4VVN=
Legal description of property in question l{ �' L!� �To'2_ #i�
Street Address
Zoning district in which property is located Co MY 'i i/2 Cl�i L
Conditional use proposed A YN1 U SS NEE P/T
Minnesota statutes and City ordinances -require that the following conditions
be satisfied before a conditional use may be authorized:
Yes No
1 . The proposed conditional use is one of -the conditional
uses specifically listed for the zoning district in
which it is to be located.
2 . The proposed conditional use, will not be detrimental to
the. health , safety or general welfare of persons resid-
ing or working in the vicinity or injurious, to property
values or improvements in the vicinity .
3. The proposed conditional use is necessary or desirable
at the above location to provide a service or a
facility which is in the interest of publi'c ' conveni-
ence and will contribute to the general welfare of the
neighborhood or communit
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Signature of App, it
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That part of the Southwest Quarter '(SW 1/4) of Section _Thirty-One (31), Township
Thirty (30.), Range Twenty-Three (23) , - described as follows:
commencing at the point of intersection of the Northerly right of way'line of
the Soo Line Railroad and the Fast line of said Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4.).;
thence Northerly along the East line of said Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4) a
distance of fifteen hundred forty and ninety-four hundreths (1540.94) feet;
thence Westerly deflecting to the left ninety degrees zero foiar .minutes
(90°04' ) , a distance of two hundred nine and fifty-five. hundreths (209.55) feet;
thence Southerly deflecting to the left eighty-nine degrees (89°) , a distance of
one hundred fifty (150) feet; thence Westerly deflecting to the right
eighty-nine degrees (890) a distance of seven hundred thirty-twd and
eighty-eight hundreths (732.88) feet to an intersection with a line parallel
with and one hundred eighty-three (183) .feet Southeasterly of the center line of
Lakeview Drive; thence Southwesterly along said parallel line three hundred
three and forty-five hundreths (303.45) feet to an intersection with a line
parallel with and ten hundred twenty-one (1021) feet East of the West line of
said Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4) ; thence South along said line parallel with the
West line of said Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4) , a distance of fourteen hundred
forty-one and ninety-six hundreths (1441.96) feet to the Northerly right-of-way
line of said railroad; thence Easterly along said right of way twelve hundred .
thirty-five and eighty-two hundreths .(1235.82) feet to the point of beginning.
Said premises are subject to the 'following: •
1. Easement of record created by instrument in Book 1467, page 461;
2. Easement over the Westerly 20 feet and Southerly 20 feet created by
instrument in Book 1663, page 355;
3. Easement for Silver'_Lake Road over the Easterly 87 feet thereof;
4. Utility easement over the West 67 feet of the East 100 feet of the Southeast
Quarter (SE 1/4) of the Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4) of Section 31, Township
30, Range 23;
5. Utility. easement over.the West 42 feet of the East 75 feet of the Northeast
Quarter (NE 1/4) of the Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4) of Section 31, -Township
30, Range 23.
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READIES CON PAINT
August, '31, 1987
850 Decatur. Avenue North Minneapolis, MN 55427
(612) 544-5050
City Council of St. Anthony,
3301-Silver Lake Road,
St. Anthony, MN 55418
Attn: David Child, City Manager
Dear Council Members:
American Amusement Arcades, dba Piccadilly Circus, proposes to open an
1800 .square foot amusement arcade in Apache Plaza. The location was
formerly the Apache Liquor Store.
The arcade would have 34 coin operated games, including 3 pool tables,
2 skeeballs, a photo machine and various video and pinball machines.
The approximate layout of the games is enclosed.
The hours of business would be similar to the other arcades operated by our
company, such as Ridgedale, Northtown, Eden Prairie, Har Mar, Signal Hills,
Brooklyn Park, Maplewood and Terrace Mall, usually the hours of the Mall.
If there is an outside entrance, we may stay open until midnight on Friday
and Saturday nights.
American Amusement Arcades is owned jointly by Advance-Carter Co.. Inc. and '
Twin City Novelty Co. Inc. , whose owners have been in business in the Twin ,
Cities for over 50 years. It is only recently that the two companies have merged.
I will be looking forward to appearing before the Planning Commission on
September 15, 1987.
S c ,
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Daniel Heilicher
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CC: Norman Pink
Gene Winsted
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CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday,
September 15, 1987, at 7 : 50 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the
City Hall,, 3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the
purpose:
Consideration of. a request from American Amusement
Arcades dba Piccadilly Circus, 850 Decatur Avenue North_ ,
for a conditional use permit to allow operation of an
Amusement Arcade at Apache Plaza in the space formerly
occupied by the St. Anthony off-sale liquor store. The
proposal would utilize 34 amusement devices at that
location.
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be .heard at said time and place. Questions regarding this
matter may be referred to the City Manager, 789-8881.
David M. Childs
City Manager
Publish: September 2, 1987
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L`1A1L1NU L1J:1' P'. Al.rtE YLALt% kAME'Ri(i AN AMU-.-'DEMENT) of b i
Sentinel Management Co. Twin' Ci_ty Federal . Tires Plus
5151 Edina Industrial Blvd. 3899 Silver Lake. Road 3800 Silver Lake Road
Edina, MN 55435. St. Anthony, MN 55421 , St. Anthony, MN 55421
Re: Equinox Apartments
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Zantigo Cadwa.11ader Real Estate Ken Lee
3704 Silver Lake. Road 3901 Silver Lake Road 3904 Penrod Lane
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
C-. G. Rein Ken Solie Bill Kelly
94 Sibley Memorial Highway 2817 Silver Lane 1707 Summit Avenue
St. Paul , MN 55118- - St. Anthony; MN 55421 Minneapolis,. MN 55403
Re: paache Office Building
.Apache Car Wash American Family Insurance Pizza Hut
3725 Stinson Boulevard 3800 Apache Lane 3901. Stinson Boulevard
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St: Anthony, MN 55421
Baker's Square J. T. Vargas Hardees
3701 Stinson Boulevard 3909 Silver Lake Road 4004 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Apache Mobil .Service
4000 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421
August 14, 1987
To: Members of the City Planning Commission
From: David M. Childs, City Manager
Re: Request from Ken Solie for amendment to the City Zoning
Ordinance.
Through the attached letter, Ken Solie is requesting that the
City Zoning Ordinance as it relates to caretaking units for mini-
storage warehouses be amended to allow two such caretaking units.
The current language in the Zoning Ordinance allows a caretaking
unit as a conditional use only. The language is as follows:
7 . Dwelling unit of not more than 600 square feet and one
bedroom for use as a residence for a caretaker for a
-mini-warehouse facility. No such dwelling unit shall be
occupied. -by ' a person other than a bona - fide caretaker of
a mini-warehouse . facility and the caretaker' s spouse and
dependent children. For purposes of this subsection, the
• term "mini-warehouse" shall mean a building or buildings
designed and intended for warehouse use by three or more
different tenants.
The applicants have recently purchased the mini-warehouse
facility previously owned by Bernie Blanske and located at the
intersection of Foss Road and Chandler Drive. This is the only
mini-warehouse facility located in the City at this time. They
state. that they wish to add another caretaking residence to .the.
present facility. I indicated to them that could not be
accomplished without an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance.
One major question that needs to be addressed is whether a
facility this small really needs two on site resident caretakers?
It should also be noted that if an amendment to the Zoning
Ordinance is approved by -the Commission and the City Council, the
applicants would then have to return to the Commission and City
Council for approval of the new conditional use permit before
such a unit could be allowed.
Because this is a request for -.- an amendment to the text of the
Ordinance, it should be noted that the City Attorney advises that
the notice of the amendment is made by publication and posting
only and not by mailing to residents.. -Such a -mailing would. later
-be required for a. Conditional -. Use Permit hearing :-if such an
• amendment is actually made to the Ordinance. To date we have
received no calls either for or against this request.
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday, August
18, 1987 , at 7 : 35 P.M. in the Council .Chambers of the City Hall,
3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the purpose:
Consideration of a -request from Ken Solie, Village
Properties for an amendment to the language of the City
zoning Ordinance, Section 10 , Subd. 3, Item 7,
relating to a permitted conditional use in the Light
Industrial (L.I . ) zoning classification. The proposed
amendment would allow not -more than two dwelling units
of not more than 600 square feet and one bedroom for
use as a residence for a caretaker for 'a mini-warehouse
facility as a permitted conditional use. - (The- current
Ordinance allows one caretaking dwelling unit. )
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at said time and place. Questions regarding this
matter may be referred to the City Manager, 789-8881.
David M. Childs
City Manager
Publish: August 5 , 1987
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VILLAGE ® FtT'I S P.O. BOX 18875
N.E.
2916 PENTAGON DRNE,N.E.
MNNEAPOUS,MN 55418
Jule 9, 1987
Dave Childs
City Manager .
City of St. Anthony
3301 Silver Lake Road
St . Anthony; Minnesota 55418
Dear Dave:
I understand that Jerry Cowan has spoken with you about obtaining
a Special Use Permit to allow the use of an area of the -:St .
Anthony Self Storage building as a second caretaker unit. We
would like to request that - you initiate whatever action is
necessary to apply for this permit .
Jerry has been meeting with Larry Hamer to determine what
remodeling -is required to allow such a use and we will comply with
his recommendations.
Please contact me at .378-5069 or Jerry at 636-1646 if you need.
additional information.
Thank /You,
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Kenneth Solie
cc : Jerry Cowan
C T '-C-Z, O F S T.. ANTHONY
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AUGUST 1 1 1 9 8 7
1 The • meeting was opened at 7 : 30 P.M. with the Pledge- of Allegiance.-.led by
2 Mayor Pro Tem Ranallo. •. An Executive Meeting with attorneys;.from Briggs
3 and Morgan related to water contamination litigation had -preceded the
4 meeting at 6 : 30 P.M.
5 Present for roll call: Ranallo, Marks, Enrooth., Makowske.
6 Absent: Sundland.
7 Also present: David Childs, City Manager
8 Larry Hamer, Public Works Director
9 JULY 28 , 1987 COUNCIL MINUTES
10 Motion by Marks ' seconded by Enrooth .to approve the above with -the.
11 following changes:
12 Page 9, line 19: Insert "prior to the July 23rd storm" after
13 "things" . -
�4 Page 13 , line .22 : Correct typo "just
15` Motion carried unanimously.
16 LICENSES/PERMITS/PETITIONS
17 Motion by Marks , seconded by Makowske to grant .the following contractors
18 licenses as listed in the August 11 , 1987 Council agenda packet:
19 Pacific .Pool/Minnesota Package Products, Oakdale
20 Manions Master Roof, Minneapolis
21 Lloyds Home Improvements, Columbia Heights
22 Belair Builders, New Brighton
.23 Heikkila Home Repairs, New Brighton
.'24 . Motion carried unanimously.
25 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Enrooth to grant temporary 3. 2 beer.
26 permits to the following in accordance, with the applications included- in
27 the August 11 , 1987 Council agenda packet:
28 *Dennis Fagerlee,. .3407 Croft Drive for the .Barna. Guzy law .
29 -. firm picnic to be held in Central Park from .August 12th from:
30 = 5 : 00 P.M. until dark; .
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1 *Allan Pearson, 3300733rd Avenue N.E. , for the Honeywell soft-.
2 ball and volleyball tournaments to be held in . Central, Park
3 August 22nd from 8 : 00 A.M. until 5: 00. P.M..;
4 *Robert Davies , 3001-29th Avenue N.E. , for the village Originals
5 picnic to be .:heid in Central Park from noon to _7 : 00 P.M. ,
6 September 12th.
7 Voting. on the motion:
8 Aye: Ranallo, Enrooth, Makowske.
9 Nay: Marks.
10 Motion carried.
11 CLAIMS
12 Motion by Marks , seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of all the
13 verified -City- accounts payable listed for July 31 , 1987 in the August
14 11 , 1987 Council agenda packet as well as those for August 11 , 1987
15 which had been distributed prior to the meeting.
16 Motion carried unanimously..
1.7 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $405 . 10 to
18 the Dorsey & Whitney law firm for legal services during June, 1987 .
19 Motion carried unanimously.
20 'Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Makowske to approve payment of
21 $24 , 896 . 08 to the Metropolitan Waste Control Commission for July sewer
22 services .
23 Motion carried unanimously.
24 REPORTS
25 Short-Elliott-Hendrickson Report on Foss Street Lift Station
26 The. above was given by Don Christopherson, l who indicated he was,.the
27 Manager of. the General ;.Civil Department of the engineering company as.
28 ' well as a member *-of its Board of.., and :one of the major ,
29 stockholders. Mr. Christopherson introduced Jim Roth,` who --he said was
30 the -engineer who had done the major part of the legwork involved in the
31 report.
-32 Mr'.:•"Christopherson summarized the .study his firm had prepared which the
33 Couricilmembers had been provided .pr.eviously.
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1 A. Lift Station Should Be Replaced
2 He said his firm' was. recommending a new 1-ift station be constructed
3 next to. the existing one and estimated the.- cost of doing that- would_
4 "be '$198, 000 . The reasons he gave for replacement were •.that:
5 *the station had been built in 1962 and, with both pumps in opera
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6 tion�, only 1 , 000 gallons per minute were being pumped with a head
7 of 59 feet, where the original -design had called for a pumping .
8 capacity of •1 , 200. gallons per minute for each pump to serve the
9 area north of 37th Avenue N.E. , once it was fully developed,;
10 *there may have been a problem with the original head computa-
11 tions which differed greatly from the figures the engineers had
12 come up with now;
13 *the soil around the station was very corrosive, which has dam
14 aged the structure and • its current .location near the potato chip
• 15 factory may have overtaxed the facility;
-16 *by delaying replacement for two or so years , the City would be
17 just pouring more money into repairs for which parts are very
18 'difficult to find, or not being manufactured at all anymore;
*the pump would likely be overloaded during periods of very wet
20 weather like the storm the City experienced July 23rd;
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22 *life of a new station would be between 25 and. 40 years;
23 *the well is not unsafe at this time but - should be replaced
24 before it gets into that condition.
25 B. Force Main Would Not Require Immediate Replacement
26 The engineer said, although the above equipment was old and had
27 less friction rate than was desirable, it was still in reasonably
28 good condition, however, because it would cost a great deal to dig
29 down to actually verify this condition, Mr. . Christofferson, .recom-
30 mended that, ' if the City upgrades. any of the adjacent streets, . a
31 sample of the force main and the surrounding soil be taken to be
32 sent to the. Cast " Iron - Institute, who will do the tests free of
33 charge.
34 C. Public Works Director Concurs.: with .Engineering Study
35 Mr,. ,Hamer told -Cdunciimember, Makowske. the report "only echoed." what
36 he had -been telling the Council for: the last seven years . . .He
37 acknowledged that. the, City, had. go.tten that many more years out of
8 the. old -facility,- but indicated he was disappointed.. money had not
'been,`put away -over --that period to make the necessary replacement
40 now.
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1 The Director told Councilmember Enrooth every time a pump is down
2 for repairs, it costs the City at least $600 to get it back in
3 operation. He also verified Mr . Christofferson' s report about
4 parts being hard to find by saying the bowl he had recently pur-
5 chased was no longer being manufactured and the only reason he was
6 able to get a replacement was that the bowl just happened to be in
7 " storage. -Mr. Hamer also warned that the next time the station goes
8 down, a new pump would have to be put in to maintain the necessary
9 output. It was his contention that to replace the floor to prevent
10 vibrations would be very expensive and making any repairs on a
11 facility as old as this one "would only be a gamble. " The Director
12 concluded by telling the Council the City already has the property
13 for relocation and it would be at least a year before a new faci-
14 lity could be put in place because the transition would have to be
15 coordinated to provide an even flow during construction.
16 D. Station .Replacement Cost to be Considered for 1988 Budget
17 The Mayor Pro Tem indicated he perceived it would be up to the City
18 Manager and Public Works Director to figure out how the replace-
19 ment could be paid for and return with their recommendations when
20 the 1988 budget is considered during the August 26th work session. •
21 Councilmember Enrooth commented that he perceived Exhibit B of the
22 report gave an excellent overview of the City' s sanitary sewer
23 system and would probably be valuable reference to be utilized
24 whenever the City considers making changes in the system to avoid
25 the same kind of problems experienced with the July 23rd storm.
26 COUNCIL REPORTS
27 Makowske Returns From Brainerd Training Session with Valuable Governing
28 Aids
29 Councilmember Makowske said the materials she had received during the
30 excellent government training sessions she had attended July 29th and
31 30th were already being distributed among the Councilmembers. She
32 indicated there were several forms she was modifying for use in St.
33 Anthony.
34 Councilmembers Invited 'to Attend August 19th RCLLG Meeting on Bingo and
35 Pull Tabs
36 The Councilmember indicated she would be attending the above and
37 perceived the meeting theme might be of interest to the rest of the
38 Council. Councilmember Makowske held up the report on the Minnesota
39 League of Cities conference in Rochester , which included her picture.
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1 No Big Issues Being Considered by League' s Legislative Committee
2 Councilmember Ranallo made the above observations about the LMC Federal
3 Legislative Committee on which he serves and whose meetings he has been
4 recently attending. He.. promised to alert the Council if anything
5 "earthshaking" developed.
6 DEPARTMENTS AND COMMITTEES
7 The Council considered the report from the City prosecutor ' s law firm on
8 matters conducted at the Hennepin County District Court July 15 , 1987
9 in which they represented St. Anthony. Mr. Childs told Councilmember
10 Marks he had requested the City prosecutor keep track of any arrests
11 they made which involved persons with bench warrants against them.
12 However, he reiterated that there would be no notification of the City
13 if such arrests were made outside St. Anthony. The reports on City
14 arrests would probably start coming in next month, according to the City
15 Manager.
16 CITY MANAGER REPORTS
17 August 4 , 1987 Staff Meeting Notes
Councilmember Marks said he appreciated the City Manager' s instructions
to City personnel to use a little extra patience and restraint when
20 dealing with residents ' complaints during periods. of extreme heat such
21 as had been experienced recently. The Councilmember said he perceived
22 the City was in the service business and it was well to keep that
23 service orientation in mind.
24 Mr. Childs explained that the "upgrading of the tennis courts" reported
25 by Mr. Hamer only involved resurfacing and that lighting would be an
26 item to be considered in the budget.
27 Councilmember Makowske indicated she perceived Mr. Hamer ' s suggestion
28 for utilizing landlocked property near 31st and 32nd Avenues for a storm
29 drainage retention basin was an excellent one which should would like to
30 see pursued, if feasible.
31 Applicant to Represent the City on the East Side Hennepin County Human
32 Services Committee to be Interviewed August 25th
33 Peggy Swonger, 3525 Stinson Boulevard, whose letter of application to
34 fill the open position on the above committee had been included in the
35 agenda packet, will be invited to meet with the -Council at 7 : 20 P.M.
36 just prior to their meeting that evening.
37 City Manager Gives Parkview Facility Update
WCouncilmembers had been provided copies of. Mr. Childs ' August 7th
39 memorandum indicating staff had compiled figures for part of the costs
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1 of making necessary repairs for the -.City. to- acquire the above facility
2 from the school district. He said he hoped to have estimates of the
3 remaining costs for the Council' s August-.25th meeting..
4 A summary of the appraisal of the building .,as received by the school,
5 'district ' was attached to his memo in the agenda packet. The appraiser .
6 estimated the value of the property to be $310 ,000 , .which included a
: � 7 land value. of $240 , 000 . Mr. Childs reminded the Councilmembers that the
8 City had given the land to the school district in. 1951 for':the. purpose
9 of "using it for a school" with a reservation that it should revert to
10 the City "whenever it' stopped being a school" . However , he added, the
11 k30 year limit on that reservation may .have expired, making. this a point
12 which -would probably have to be negotiated.
13 The Manager reported the School- District figured it would cost them
14 $270 ,000 to move up to the Middle School building and have indicated
15 they don' t have those dollars available right now. He said it is
16 therefore important for the City to encapsulate in general terms just
17 what it would cost the City to move its facilities into Parkview so a
18 value judgement could be made whether the move is worth the effort.
19 Representatives of the City and School District would then have to meet
20 to present their different positions. Mr. Childs perceived it might be
21 just prior to those negotiations that a joint meeting between the entire
22 Council and -School Board -might be helpful.
23 City Officials Invited to Attend, Army' s Community Meetings' on TCAAP
24 Environmental Remedial Action Program
" 25 Mr. Childs advised that the August 6th invitation sent. to him by the
26 Twin City Army Ammunition Plant representative had been intended for all
27 City officials'. The first of the meetings was scheduled for the
28 morning of August 18th and-.Councilmember -Ranallo. -commented. .that .the Army
29 had apparently not taken into consideration the fact that most of the
30 municipality officials had' regular-. jobs which made meetings during the
31' day very difficult- to attend.
32 AGENDA ADDENDUM
33 PROSPECTIVE BUYERS OF HOBO RESTAURANT SEEK -DIRECTION FROM ,COUNCIL.
34 Michael Melville, 328 Washington Street, Anoka, said he and Ron Walberg,
35 Minneapolis, were thinking of purchasing the restaurant and needed some
36 guidance as .to what procedures they would have to follow to make the
37'"improvements they wanted -to- the-building. and parking lot. Mr. Childs
'38' suggested the two contact him at 'the -office the following day when he
39 would- be happy to look over their plans to see whether.. or not a
40 .variance might. be necessary. They were also advised that if variances
' � 41 were required for the project, it wouldn' t be until..September ;l5th that
42 the required public hearing on the variances could be conducted by the
43 Planning Commission.; with a Council decision no sooner than September .
44 22nd. Mr. Melville was also advised of the time it would take to get
45 the notice of the hearing on a variance request published.
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1 NEW BUSINESS
2 RESOLUTION RELATING TO 'HEALTH INSURANCE FOR .RETIREES. :ADOPTED
Childs' August 7th -memorandum. advised' •the. May,or.:and .Councilmembers
4 ' that. a problem with- the City' s-- policy of allowing retirees -.to remain. on
5 the City' s health insurance plan at their own expense had. arisen. when-
6 Hennepin..County changed its regulations to ,require .St. Anthony to pay
7 the .employee's. share;of.• health insurance if retirees. are to be allowed
8''in the- program. The City -is .a participant- in the .County program but, its.
9 policy had always- been not to pay retiree insurance .costs.
10 The City Manager indicated the two retirees who have taken advantage of
11 the option the City offered them of paying their own insurance costs
12 would -be grandfathered into• the City' s plan but- that option could- .no
13 longer be offered to future retirees . Mr. Childs: indicated the other
14 municipalities had voted down the proposal to allow retirees on the
15 plan,- : arguing that since employees are allowed to- retire at age 55 , ,
16 anyone who couldn't get other. health insurance coverage .might. be a "drag
17 on the system. " He added that the City staff had to negotiate strongly
18 to keep the two retirees who are on the City' s plan now-•in the program
19 after the specifications were changed...
The City Manager then reiterated his recommendation that the Council
pass the resolution he had attached to.-his memorandum in the agenda
22 packet to avoid any employee misunderstandings about the City' s policy
23 on the matter.
24 Council Action
25 Motion by Marks, seconded by -Makowske to adopt Resolution 87-026 .
26 RESOLUTION 87-026
27 A RESOLUTION RELATING TO HEALTH INSURANCE
28 PROVISIONS FOR RETIRED EMPLOYEES
:29 INVALIDATING RESOLUTION 84-052.
30 Motion carried unanimously.
31 UNFINISHED. BUSINESS
32 Congressman Sabo Petitioned to Continue to Help the City 'Get. Its Water
33 Supply Cleaned Up
34 Mr. Childs . reported he, Councilmembers Marks , Enrooth; and Makowske, ,.-,
35 and -Dave McDonald of Briggs and Morgan met• with the .Congressman that day. .. .
36 to discuss two . issues related. to the above .problem. ,. the .congressman was ...
4J7 urged to see• what. he could do about the Army dragging its feet :in
8 negotiating a settlement' for damages the City -has suffered- since the
39 plume of contaminants from the Twin City Army Ammunition Plant had
I reached the City' s water supply. He was also requested to apply any
2 pressure he could on the EPA not to further delay the construction of a
3 carbon filtration system to clean up those contaminants. .
4 Councilmember Marks said he had perceived Congressman Sabo was "fed up"
5 with the Army' s delays and was ready to do anything he could to help St.
6 Anthony. Mr. Childs said there was probably little chance of speeding
7 up the process, but it was necessary to do everything possible to get
8 the system installed on schedule before the lawn sprinkling season next
9 year.
10 ADJOURNMENT
11 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to adjourn the meeting at 8 : 17 P.M.
12 for the St. Anthony Housing and Redevelopment Authority meeting which
13 followed.
14 Motion carried unanimously.
15 Respectfully submitted,
16 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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20 City Clerk
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AUTHOR 2 TY. M 2 NUTS S
AU GU S T 1 1 1 3 8
1 The meeting was called to order by Vice Chair ,Enrooth at 8: 21 P.M.
2 Present for roll call: Enrooth, Secretary/Treasurer Marks,
3 and Commissioners Ranallo and Makowske.
4 Absent: Sundland.
5 Also present: David Childs , Executive Director
6 Richard Krier of Development Advisory Services, Consult-
7 ant
8 JULY 28 , 1987 .H.R.A. MINUTES
9 Motion by Ranallo,. seconded by Marks to approve as presented.
10 Motion carried unanimously.
11 CLAIMS
2 Motion by Marks, seconded by Ranallo to approve payment to the Dorsey &
,3 Whitney law firm for services rendered the H.R.A. during June, 1987 .
14 Motion carried unanimously.
15- UNFINISHED BUSINESS
16 META Certificate of Completion to be Executed for Kenzington
17 The above had been tabled during the H.R.A. July 23rd meeting for
18 further research by staff on whether the project met all handicapped
19 access codes .
20 Staff - report: Childs August 7th memorandum advising that the
21 wheelchair accesses required by code are in place, so
22 the H.R:A. could not withhold this Certificate in an
23 effort to get META to -add another; and
24 therefore, the. Executive Director„ and H.R.A. Attorney
25 recommended approval of the Certificate.
26 H.R.A. Action
27 Motion by Marks,. seconded by Makowske to. authorize execution of the
28 -Certificate of Completion for the Kenzington which conveyed the .project
29 land -to: the META�Operating Limited Partnership.
•30 Motion carried unanimously.
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'1 Four Proposals Accepted for Phase III' Kenzie .Terrace Redevelopment
2 Project
3 Mr. Krier had provided copies of proposals' he had- received and given
4 only a cursory reading the previous day from the following redevelopers:
5 *Lang/Nelson
6 *the= Sherman Boosalis Corporation
7 *the P.J. Gaughan Corporation
8 *a coalition comprised of Kraus Anderson Contractors, the Stewart
9 Corporation and Walker Methodist Residences and Health Services,
10 Inc.
11 Redevelopers ' Interviews Rescheduled for August 25th
12 Because his plane from Denver would not arrive in Minneapolis until
13 10 : 00 P.M. , August 20th, the Consultant requested the H.R.A. meeting
14 that night be cancelled and the interviews held instead the 'same evening
15 as the City Council meeting, August 25th.
16 It was agreed that within the next week, H.R.A. members should be able
17 to study the proposals they had been provided and to let the Executive
18 Director, know their personal preferences for the firms which should be
19 interviewed. -Based--on that input and- staff ' s recommendation related to
20 the developers' financial capability to do the project, the interviews
21 would be rescheduled -as recommended by the H.R.A. Consultant.
22 H.R.A. Action
23 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Makowske to cancel the H.R..A. interviews
� 24 with prospective' Phase III redevelopers scheduled for August -.20th and to
25 reschedule them for 6: 30 P.M. prior to and also immediately following
. . 26 the regularly scheduled Council meeting August 25 , 1987.
27 Motion carried unanimously.
28 Opposition to an All-Senior Project Discussed
29 Secretary/Treasurer Marks opened the discussion by saying:
30 -it had been his own concern all along that there might have been too
-. 31 ' much concentration on making this an all-senior project;
32 -when he an& the- Mayor had met with the .H.U.D. officials to sell them on
33 funding the' -202 Walker project, those officials had been told the City
34 ' envisioned a: campus-like arrangement for: the Kenzie Terrace Redevelop-
35 ment Project which would include a. range- in all ages;
36 -he sensed - that since that time the H:R.A. . had. been "closing the age
37 towards the upper end; •
° 38 '-he concerns that the City might be developing a "senior ghetto" had
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1 been supported by -.a" group of residents who had approached him. and had
2 requested a meeting with the Executive Director to express the same
3 concern's;
4 -this group included three members of the local Board of Directors of
5 the Walker project, Sally Haik, Ed Ostberg, and George Wagner;
6 -he perceived the H.R.A. should hear these concerns now so as not to
7 delay the process any further timewise.
8 His comments generated the following' response:
9 Childs: -affirmed that the original project goal for Phase III had
10 been "condos for all ages" which had changed to "only
11 seniors" when Arkell had proposed developing only rental;
12 -,confirmed that the three people who the Secretary/Treasurer
13 mentioned had requested they be allowed to meet with him and
14 the Mayor to discuss these concerns;
15 -said that meeting would be held.
16 Ranallo: -took exception to the term "senior ghetto" , saying he had
•17 never seen a project like the one described by the Sec-
18 retary/Treasurer;.
19 -indicated he perceived all concerns about the project would
20 be aired during the required hearings on the project,
21 including those of the Minneapolis residents who live in the
22 triangle adjacent to the project and the owners of the Kenz-
23 ington condominiums;
24 -told Commissioner Makowske he perceived the point of view
25 which. opposed an all-senior project had been taken into
26 consideration when Mr.. Krier had been directed to go to the
27 Minneapolis Community Development Agency to negotiate fin-
28 ancing for 100 1155 and over" and 100 "regular occupancy
29 rental units for this project.
30 Makowske: .-agreed, saying she understood the City proposal had also
31 included the possibility: of having "a completely open
32 occupancy" .
33 Enrooth: -questioned "where the ,people who were raising the issue of
34 seniors had been for, the past 'five years. "
35 Krier: -agreed-that the H.R.A. ' should listen to anyone who wanted to
36 talk about the. project. "
• 37 Childs:, -commented that, from what he was hearing that evening, he
38. had concluded there was support for the type of developer
39 proposals which had been submitted.
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1 -ADJOURNMENT
2 'Motion by �Ranallo, seconded by Marks to adjourn the St. Anthony ,Housing
3 and Redevelopment Authority at 8 : 40 P.M.
4 Motion carried unanimously.
5 Respectfully submitted,
6 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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1 The meeting' was opened at. 7 : 32 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance. .
2 led by Mayor Sundland. 'The meeting was preceded by an H.R.A.
3 interview at 6 : 30 P.M. with Lang/Nelson related to that firm' s
4 proposal to develop the last phase of the Kenzie Terrace Redevel-
5 ment Project. - The Council had also- interviewed an applicant to
6 serve on the Eastside Hennepin. County Human Services Committee
7 before the meeting.
8 Present for roll call: Marks, Ranallo, Sundland, Enrooth,
9 'Makowske.
10 Also present: David Childs, City Manager
11 William Soth, City Attorney
12 Larry Hamer , Public Works Director
13 AUGUST 11 , 1987 COUNCIL MINUTES
14 Motion •by Makowske, seconded by Marks to approve the above with
15 the following changes:
6 Page 2 , line 26 : Delete 111" before "who" .
7 Page 5 , line 29 : Substitute "she" for "should" .
18 Page 6 , line 11 : Delete "k" before "30" .
19 Motion carried unanimously.
20 LICENSES/PERMITS/PETITIONS -
21 Motion by , Ranallo, seconded by Marks to grant the following
22 licenses as listed in the August 25 , 1987 Council agenda packet:
23 Contractors
24 Cragg Sign, Inc. , Golden Valley
25 Heating
26 Boehm Heating Co. ,' St. Paul
27 Motion carried unanimously.
28 CLAIMS
29 Motion by' Marks , seconded by Sundland to approve payment of all
30 verified liquor accounts payable for August 25. and. July 31 and the
31 August 25th City accounts payable, as listed in the August 25 ,
•32 1987 Council agenda packet.
33 Motion carried unanimously. •
1
1 Motion by Mar k s, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of $9 , 000 •
2 to School District #282 for the City' s use of the Parkview
3 facilities during July, August, and September.
4 Motion carried unanimously.
5 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of
6 $45 , 552 . 00 to .Fullerton. Lumber of materials used in the liquor off
7 sale addition.
8 Motion carried unanimously.
9 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Marks to approve payment of
10 $24 ,896 . 08 to the Metropolitan Waste Control Commission for sewer
11 services during August.
12 Motion carried unanimously._
13 REPORTS
14 AUGUST 11 , 1987 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - ROSEMARY FRANZESE
15 Request for Zoning Ordinance Amendment for Additional Caretaker
16 Unit in Mini-Warehouse Facility Postponed Until September
17 The Planning Commission Chair reported the above had resulted from •
18 a request from the applicants.
19 Three to Two Vote Grants Minnesota Scientific Request for a
20 Temporary Mobile Office at 3839 Chandler Drive
21 Application: for a Special Use Permit to allow Minnesota Scient-
22 i,fic to locate a 12 foot X 56 foot temporary
23 mobile office on the east side of the building
24 the firm leases from Donatelle Properties at the
25 above address until December, 1988 .
26 Supporting
27 documents: same as had been provided the Planning Commission.
28 Commission Franzese reported the major portion of the Com-
29 recommenda- mission' s discussion had been related to how long
30 tion the trailer would remain on the premises once the
31 lessees had left;
32 indicated Commission had recommended the permit
33 be granted under the conditions reported in the
34 minutes.
35 Proponent: Bruce LeVahn, President of Minnesota Scientific •
2
1 'New Brighton was
told Mayor Sundland his . move to
2 only a possibility because negotiations with Dona-
3 telle to provide his firm with a new building was
4 still in the talking stages; .
5
6 - reiterated .his lease wouldn't expire until October
7 31 , 1988 and he had only requested, the City set a
8 December date for the trailer' s removal so he
9 could have some leeway if the building he was .
10 moving to wasn' t ready yet;
11 agreed with -Councilmember Enrooth that there were. .
12 empty office spaces in . the area. but said an
13 attached office would provide better communication
14 with ,the seles- and marketing staff who would be
15 housed in the trailer;
16 indicated Mr. Childs had been right when he said
17 Minnesota Scientific had grown much faster than
18 had ever been anticipated and at .first had been
19 disappointed when Donatelle had refused to sign
20 a five year lease with them. Now, of course,
21 they were happy not to be held to - a longer lease
22 on a building which they had outgrown;
03 reported Donatelle had unsuccessfully sought to
24 buy the property behind their building and had
25 been forced to move out of St. Anthony for their
26 own expansion purposes;
27 indicated his firm had not even begun- to explore
28 just how much additional square footage they might
29 need by- next year, but certainly wouldn' t fore-.
30 close the possibility of relocating in
31 St. Anthony;
32 said he had only tentatively considered a New
33 Brighton_ loca.tion because Donatelle had indicated
34 they considered his, company to be- good tenants -
35 and might be able to provide the needed .space in
36 the additional property they are constructing in
37 New Brighton.
38 Council Makowske said she recalled when the City had
39 reaction: allowed Central Engineering to have a similar
40 trailer on their property,. it hid been because
41 they were adding to their existing building and
42 she thought this was an entirely different case;
43 indicated she was uncomfortable with granting a
•44 permit in this instance.
3
1' Enrooth • agreed, saying .:he couldn' t see why Minne-
2 sota Scientific couldn' t just. *.find other office
3 space which was plentiful in . St'. Anthony;
4 agreed the whole building vacated by Medtronics
5 'would- be too large for Minnesota Scientific but
6 said -he 'understood Medtronics was considering
7 parceling it `out for some sort of medical complex.
8 Ranallo said he could- see Councilmember Makowske ' s
9 point that the City wouldn' t want a sudden pro-
10 liferation of trailer offices which would make
11 St. Anthony look "junky; "
12 told Councilmember Enrooth Medtronics wanted to
13 sell the whole building and let somebody else
14 parcel it out;
15 was told by Mr. - Childs that the R. L. Johnson Com-
16 pany had about 150 of its office -workers in the
17 building on a temporary basis .
18 Marks-stated he considered this to be a reasonable
19 request because' Mr. LeVahn still has another year
20 on his lease which he probably wouldn' t want to
21 break just to get additional. space;
22 commented that if he were in charge of this firm,
23 he would also find - split offices very unmanageable
24 and would want to have all his staff consolidated
25 under one roof ; ,
26 said he would have no problem at all approving
27 this request-.
28 Makowske said she did have a problem with grant-
29 ing this request- because the Council had just
30 passed an ordinance preventing vehicles from being
31 parked on lawns and now "we ' re going to let a
32 business park a trailer on the lawn. " ;
33 told Mr. LaVahn she recognized it would be much
34 better for him to have all his staff at one site;
35 but
36 said she didn' t see the justi•fiCation for trailers .
37 all over in St. Anthony just -to accommodate the
38 businesses;
39 indicated this would not create the kind of atmos-
40 phere she would like to see; . •
4
• 1 'concluded by -saying, although she perceived the
2 Planning Commission had been -careful to impose
3 good conditions on the permit, she still, opposed
4 the concept.
5 Marks responded by saying the picture of the Gelco
6 trailer -in the agenda packet certainly didn' t look
7 "junky" to him and the Planning Chair had
8 indicated it would fit attractively next to the
9 building.
10 Franzese 'responded by pointing out that the
11 trailer would be the same width as the building
12 so it shouldn' t give the impression of -just beinq
13 added on and shouldn't detract from the' appearance
14 of the neighborhood;
15 reported the= only response from that neighborhood
16 had been from the next door -neighbor who said he
17 was only concerned that the trailer be removed .
18 when the firm moved and was not opposed to its
19 placement under the conditions the Commission
20 recommended be imposed upon granting the permit.
021 Sundland said he recalled a similar instance where
22 the City had allowed Medtronics , who had outgrown
23 their building in St. Anthony, to put a mobile .
24 office next to 'their building until their building
25 in Fridley was completed;
26 indicated he shared Councilmember Makowske ' s con-
27 cerns but tended to, agree with the Planning Com-
28 mission that, if all the conditions the Commission
29 recommended are met and . the trailer is removed
30 when the company moves , the- permit should be f
31 granted.
32 Council Action
33 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Sundland to grant . a special. Use
34 Permit to Minnesota Scientific which would allow that company to
35 temporarily install the 672 square foot mobile office they propose
36 on the east side of their building at 3839 Chandler Drive, on the
37 conditions that:
38 *the trailer would- be removed by October 31 ,- .1988 ;
39 *the ' structure meets, all applicable building, electrical ,
40 fire , and placement codes ;
•
5
1 *the trailer -be properly' skirted' and otherwise installed to ..
2 be aesthetically pleasing to the ,neighborhood;•
3 *no trees be removed from the site to accommodate the
4 structure;
5 *the area-where the trailer is sited be resodded or reseeded
6 .- as needed, once the structure is removed;--
7 *the permit only applies to the operations of Minnesota
8 Scientific and that immediate removal should be required
9 should they cease operations prior to the expiration of
10 the permit.
11 In granting the permit, the Council 'finds ,.• as did the Planning
12 Commission,- that there have been no . expressions of neighborhood
13 objection to the permit and the ionly person who spoke at the
14 Commission had been the next door neighbor who said he had no
15 objections to the permit per_ se, but was .only. concerned that the
16 trailer be removed at the same time Minnesota Scientific vacates
17 the premises:
18 • Voting on the motion:
19 Aye: Ranallo, Sundland, Marks. •
20 Nay: Makowske, Enrooth.
21 Motion carried.
22
23 COUNCIL REPORTS
24 Council Remains Opposed to Pull Tabs in St. Anthony
25 Mayor Sundland said he knew each of the Councilmembers, like he,
26 had been talked to by St. Anthony Lions Club members pushing for a
27 change in the City' s policy against such "fund raisers" being
28 conducted in the City. The Mayor said he had told the Lions who
29 had contacted him about conducting these games in the City liquor
30 stores, that, although he was fairly certain they wouldn' t change
31 many minds, their organization would be given an opportunity to
32 make a formal request to the Council.
33 Council Makowske reported she had taken the Lions members._
34 response: who had called her to the August 19th Ramsey
35 County League of Local Governments meeting where
36 problems experienced with pull tabs had been
37 reported;
38 said when Roger Franke, Executive Secretary of the
39 Minnesota Charitable Gambling Control Board had •
6
1 -estimated, -t-he average .pull tab player would be
2' expected to spend $42 .00 a might playing the .game,.
3 her belief that the City'*s Ordinance against .most
4 forms of'-charitable gambling in the City .had been
5 reinforced as a good one;
6 added, however,.- that she had requested reassurance
7 from- the City's Liquor Manager that not having
8 pull tabs in the .City liquor stores had not ad-
9 versely affected sales ;,
10 indicated.. she had been particularly uncomfortable
11 to learn the Lions Club only intended to run the
12 games the first few months then proposed turning
13 the operation over to an outside professional
14 group and
15 had concluded that, although the Lion' s club it-
16 self might be a reputable organization, their .
17 intent of running the games only a few nights a
18 week, meant ,others less reputable might want to
19 finish out the week.,
20 Enrooth said he had told the Lions members who .had
021 approached him that, from his own perspective,
22 there was little chance 'the . ordinance would be
23 changed until the concerns which had caused the
24 Council to set up the Ordinance in the first
25 place had. been satisfactorily addressed;
26 said he had`- asked his callers how they perceived
27 the City could handle other requests which might
28 be just as legitimate as their own; and
29 asked them what -they suggested the City could do
30 about the organizations who haven' t approached the .
31 Council just because they knew there was an
32 ordinance forbidding this type of -activity in the
33 City.
34 Ranallo recalled the City had turned down its own
35 " Fire Department request to conduct pull tab games
36 in the liquor stores for a very commendable pur-
37 pose;
38 reported he .had. .declined to,..meet with the Lions
39 who had called him, telling -them the City already
40 had an ordinance which permitted pull tab games to
41 be conducted -no more" often than five times "a year;
.42 said he had told the Lions members who approached
43 him at the RCLLG meeting in _Shoreview that,
7
1 although :-he recognized there were many good things. •
2 which could be .done with the money_ earned from
3 pull tabs, he would never personally .consent -to
4 having an outside . organization running that type
5 of operation in the City liquor stores ;
6
7 said he had been given to understand that the same
8 organization whose request had prompted the ordin-
9 ance .in the first place had already been replaced
10 as managers of the Bingo Hall in Little Canada by
11 a Roseville sports booster group.
12 Marks reported he had been asked to "keep an open
13 mind" .on the issue by the Lions who contacted him;
14 said he would have a hard time doing that because
15 he was firmly opposed to their request, perceiving
16 no benefit for St. Anthony, whatsoever, from pull
17 tabs;
18 indicated he had told his callers -he would be glad
19 to see they got on the Council agenda but to
20 expect no support from him when they appeared.
21 Sundl'and said he had• also assured the Lions they
22 would be given the opportunity of having their •
23 request heard but no to expect to change any minds
24 when they came, because, every time he had polled
25 the Council on -whether they had changed their
26 minds about the ordinance, their unanimous opposi-
27 tion to doing that had been affirmed;
28 reported an outstate mayor had told him his city
29 had allowed a local organization to conduct pull
30 tab games in corporate .institutions like Seven/
31 Eleven stores but no in City facilities for as
32 long as they needed. to fund a specific project.
33 However , once that goal had been reached, the
34 games were discontinued;
35 recalled it had been the fact that there would
36 probably be so many local organizations wanting
37 to run pull tabs for commendable purposes that the
38 Council had written the Ordinance to get away from
39 having to constantly explain why the Council did
40 not perceive gambling games. like Bingo and pull
41 tabs would be good for the City.
42 Nelson to Provide 2nformation for - September 22nd Meeting with
43 Lions Club
8
•..1 -Mr . -.Childs,, , -said one of . the Lions Club. members. had called .him that
2 . day to schedule. an 'appearance. before the. Council and he had -put
3 him off because , he was waiting for Mr. - Nelson to complete the .
4 research .necessary : to answer . Councilmember Makowske' s:.question
5 -about whether not" having pull tabs might be jeopardizing the
6 City' s liquor operations . Mayor Sundl'and said he perceived .the
7 Council should rely on. Mr.. Nelson' s professional opinion on. that
8 question.
9 The Mayor said he wasn' t .sure.' it was the pull tabs which made- the
10 'Legion Club -in New Brighton so successful as some members have
11 claimed or, whether it was - the excellent food and the bar opera-
12 tion itself which pulled in the players. He pointed out that the
13 Legion was conducting the -games itself and. on its own
14 premises which would not be the case with the organizations who
15 were requesting to operate in City facilities.
16 Councilmember Marks indicated he had talked to a liquor profes-
17 sional after the Lions Club members had.- contacted him. He said
18 that person had told . him the only time he had seen the pull tab
19 games draw in business to a bar had been where the liquor dealers
20 had set up some sort of ' incentive which coincided with the pull
21 tabs .
22 Mr. Childs reported New Brighton people had told him they per-
&3 ceived the pull tabs in their City liquor operations had neither
24 brought in or hindered liquor sales.
25 He concluded by saying he would be informing the Lions Club that
2.6 the Council would consider their request during their September
27 22nd meeting which would give Mr. Nelson plenty of time to
28 complete his research.
29 Ramsey County Commissioner Salverda' s Support for Youth Service
30 Bureau Noted
31 Councilmember Makowske passed around the reply she had gotten from
32 the above official supporting the above.
33 State Health Department Says City water Still Safe to Drink
34 Councilmember Enrooth reported calls he was again getting. related
35 to the safety of St. Anthony' s drinking water had intensified
36 lately and- he perceived it might be. necessary to update the issue
37 in each Newsletter-. -Mr. Childs reiterated that the -State Health
38 Department knows at the City' s current contaminant levels are;
39 told him- last week they are . within .a safe criteria; there is no .
.40 reason for the City not to continue to use its water supply; and
- 41 no necessity for using bottled water.. Their, advisory hadn' t . .
42 changed since . 1982 , he added.
9
1 - ' Walker Advisory .-Board' s Concerns .:About an , All-.Senior Kenzie.-.:.- •
2 Project Allayed
3 The Mayor reported he and Mr . Childs, had met informally that
4 morning with Sally HAik, George Wagner.., and ..Ed Ostberg of the
5 above Board and reported on the proposals which ' had been received
6 for the final phases of* the Kenzie Terrace- Redevelopment - Project
7 which all included an occupancy mix which .- should guarantee the
8 whole area .- would not end up with seniors only. -He added that the
9 three had been told the City was interfacing. with .the Minneapolis
10 neighbors through their. Alderman concerning . the occupancy mix.
11 Mayor Sundland said he had been very happy to have been able to
12 sit down and talk to the Walker Residence representatives about
13 the concerns they had expressed -about the project mix.
14 Ranallo Reports Busy Schedule of Meetings Ahead for Him
15 The League -of Minnesota Cities Board of Directors , of which he is
16 a member, would be participating in a series of four regional
17 meetings in Little Falls starting this week and the first of these
18 would be held Thursday, the Councilmember indicated.' He also
19 reported he had been appointed to serve on the Board of Directors
20 of the Minnesota Notification Corporation, a group set up by the
21 State Legislature to oversee pipeline activities in Minnesota.
22 Councilmember Ranallo said only two of the 18 member Board were
23 city officials with. the rest being pipeline professionals. He
24 indicated the League had appointed him to keep them informed about _
25 the Board' s activities .
26 Marks Reports Underground Inspection of City' s Lift Station
27 Larry Hamer had given him a first hand inspection of - the above
28 where he had seen for himself why it was going to cost so much to
29 replace all the old pumps and .-motors which are 30. feet under-
30 ground.
31 Youth Service Bureau May be Cut from Ramsey County Budget
32 Councilmember Marks indicated he had been pleased to see Commis
33 sioner Salverda' s letter continuing his strong support of the
34. Youth Service Bureau. The Councilmember reported attending one of
35 Commissioner Salverda' s early morning meetings last Friday -where .
36' Terry Schutten, Ramsey County Executive Director, explained how
37 the funding for various service organizations was being prio.riti-
38 zed for their 1988 budget. The Councilmember . and .Bur-eau Board
39 member said he was unhappy to ' hear that because. .the . Bureau is.
40 • ' considered� a discretionary, and - not mandated, fund .it might be- .
- 41 ' eliminated - from- the budget. Councilmember .-Marks added that he*
. 42 perceived the County might be intending' to .substi.tute the Bureau' s .
43 services by training surplus . probation officers to become family
44 ' counselors . -Commi•ssioner Salverda' s .defense . of the Bureau was- •
45 * therefore greatly appreciated, the Councilmember indicated.
10
1 MARKS :ANNOUNCES HE WILL BE A CANDIDATE FOR RE-ELECTION
2 The" ,Councilmember said he had informed the Mayor. of, his intentions ,-.
3 the previous week :and would -be - informing the press that he would .
4 be running for re-election.
5 Conditions Set for Hennepin County to Use City Recycling Center
6 for Hazardous Waste Collection
7 When Councilmember Marks told the Public Works Director his
8 facility was identified in a County brochure his "wife had seen. as,
9 a deposit point for the September 19th Hennepin County collection
10 in Northeast Minneapolis , Mr. -Hamer -said he .had• not yet been
11 informed of that. However, he .said he would be glad to have the
12 County use the facilities for that purpose as long as .the City
13 wouldn' t have to undertake the expense of' disposing of the' wastes .
14 He reported it had "cost the City dearly" to dispose of any toxic
15 wastes in the past.
16 Councilmember Marks indicated that as long as the County was
17 responsible for the disposal, he considered this to be a program
18 with which it behooved St. Anthony. to cooperate. He said he
19 perceived many residents would welcome an opportunity to get rid
020 of the paint thinner, etc. they have around -their homes and don' t
21 know what to do with.
22 Hamer Waiting for 'Replacement Part to Get City Fountain Going
23 Again
24 Councilmember Makowske said she had learned the . above after
25 relaying a resident 's inquiry to the Public Works Director. .
26 Residents ' . Objections to Standard Station' s Cementing Right-of-
27 Way for Parking Reported
28 The Councilmember indicated she had also spoken to Mr. Hamer about
29 whether the station. was allowed to cement over the City' s right-
30 of-way on Kenzie Terrace after receiving several calls asking that
31 question. The Public Works Director reported the station owner
32 had only asked him about the' driveway approaches and the next time
33 he had gone down there he had found they had cemented the. whole
34 front of the station.
35 The.,following discussion ensued:
36 Ranallo said he -perceived -when the City had allowed. resi
37- 'dents to pave their front yards for parking the way had been
38 opened for this ,type of thing.
�39 Sundland recalled that in spite -of objections in the past ,
40 the station had always used the boulevard for parking.
11
I
1 Hamet. said- as long as he had been with the City, the policy
2 had been not to allow parking on the boulevards because of
3 problems with plowing heavy snowfalls and co.vering •up parked
4 cars .
5 Marks asked if the Council was going to make the station
6 take the concrete out. ,
7 Childs said he knew of nothing in the City' s Ordinance which
8 . prevented the station from paving-.the right-of-way; recalled
9 that when the owner had been granted a permit to upgrade- the.
10 station n, there had been a discussion of landscaping- and
11 parking, but he would have to check the minutes to see -what,
12 was specified.
13
14 Makowske indicated she ,personally thought the concrete was
15 "less tacky and cleaner looking" than unkept grass in that
16 area, but didn' t want allowing this to become a "permission
17 slip" for parking on the concrete.
18 Enrooth agreed with 'the Mayor that the station had always
19 parked cars on the boulevard when it was grass ;.
20 said he didn' t believe it had been a concern with keeping ,
21 up a sodded right-of-way but rather a desire to park cars •
22 in that area which had prompted paving it over.
23 Childs said he would look again at the pertinent minutes to
24 be sure there wasn' t something there which the City could
25 use to prevent -parking on the cemented area; and
26 would further research the Ordinance to see if it contained
27 any type of restriction which applied,.
28 Hamer said he was sure there was an Ordinance which required
29 City Manager permission for planting or anything else, on the
30 City right-of-way.
31 Soth said "even if you didn' t ,have an Ordinance stating
32 that, it would nevertheless be 'true. "
33 DEPARTMENTS AND COMMITTEES
34 " The following July reports were considered. briefly and ordered.
35 filed as informational:
36 *-Fire Department Monthly Report
37 *Liquor Monthly Sales Summary .
38 *Financial Monthly Report
12
• 1 CITY, MANAGER REPORTS
2 - August 19 , 1987 Staff Meeting Notes
3 Mr . Childs said' he would have suggestions ready for the budget
4 work - sessiori the Council would . be holding the next evening related
5 to the replacements for Kathy Ristau, ' the Payroll Clerk in
6 September, and Carol Johnson, Finance Director, who will be
7 retiring in June.
8 Manager to Seek Facilitator for September 9th City/School Board
9 Meeting on Parkview
10 Mr. Childs had - included in the Council' s agenda packet an overview
11 of the City negotiations to purchase the- Parkview building from
12 the School District as well as estimates he had gotten of what it
13 would cost the City to move the Fire Station up to the building
14 and make the necessary improvements to the roof and heating
15 system, which the City would want to do -if, the building -were to be
16 used for City Hall . These costs did not include the cost of the
17 land itself , he added. According to the Manager, the bottom line
18 for making the move would be approximately $230 , 000 , which would
19 put a new roof on the building; update the boilers but not
20 replace any of the radiators . The electrical and plumbing seem
21 to be in good order, he said. The estimate did not include
02 window replacements ; any type of mansard roof ; parking lot
23 repairs ; or remodeling any of the offices the City might be
24 leasing to new tenants . The costs would cover the installation .
25 of four large doors for the fire trucks in the gymnasium as well
26 as a new floor with traps and plumbing for the new station area in
27 the gym; a hose dryer; and what it would cost to remodel existing
28 office space for dormitory and kitchen facilities for the firemen.
29 Not included would be any costs for remodeling the police offices
30 or covering over the alcove between the police station and the
31 gymnasium for a. police parking area. No new ceiling tile for the
32 hallways would be included in the remodeling. Mr. Childs said .
33 these costs were planned to only cover the "bare bones" expense of
34 making the move from the current fire station to Parkview and to
35 make two necessary major system repairs to the building.
36 The City Manager summarized his own recollection of how the
37 concept of the City taking over Parkview had evolved- as first
38 involving an offer by .the School District to give .-the building to
39 the' City, followed by their asking the City to pay at least
40' ' $70 , 000 to 'protect : the District ' s New Brighton tax payers '
41 interests . That figure was adjusted upwards when the School Board
42 discovered they had only $63 , 000 available to make the move when
43 it was estimated it would cost them $273 , 000, leaving them
44 ' $210 , 000 short, which they now wanted the City to make up.
•45 The Council would be reacting to, that request during -the joint
46 Council/School Board meeting scheduled to be held in the Council
13
1 Chambers at 7: 00 . P.M. September 9th, when an .informal work •
2 session would be conducted 'to get the School District ' s position
3 on the issue, including what appears to be the serious considera- :
4 -tion they seem to -be giving to tearing the Parkview building down _
5 and constructing single family homes .on the property. Mr. Childs
6 said he- understood the. -School Board had already gotten demolition
7 estimates and had their appraiser include in his report a prelimi-
8 nary sketch of what a plot - for 10 or 11. houses might look .like.
9 The City Manager indicated the property is currently zoned
10 Recreational/Open Space and would- require Planning Commission and..
11 Council approval of a change to R-1 , single family dwelling . in
12 zoning.
13 Cost of Remodeling- Current Fire Station and Building a New City
14 Hall Explored
15 In his report to the Council, Mr. Childs had drawn a comparison
16 between the costs of converting Parkview to house all but the
17 Public works facilities, with the above estimates and had provided
18 the Council with things he thought they should consider when
19 comparing an old versus a new building, which included a better
20 image, greater flexibility of space, greater efficiency for
21 windows as well as lower heating, electrical , mechanical and
22 maintenance costs.
23 Mr. Childs had also pointed out the difference between the resale •
24 value of new and old building, which .he said the Council might
25 want to take - a closer look at -before deciding to purchase the.
26 Parkview building.
27 - Councilmember Ranallo -reminded the Cou.ncilmembers that the City..
28 already owned property in an "ideal spot" near the Highway 88 .
29 entrance to the City where the existing park area and. fountain
30 could be worked- in perfectly with a new, aesthetically appearing,
31 City Hall. He said he couldn' t forget that the City had given
32 the School District the Parkview property in 1951 for $1 . 00 , on
33 the condition it be used for school purposes and now the School
34 District is expecting the City to pay them to get it back when
35 that use is no longer being made. The Councilmember said he
36 perceived the Council ' s - responsibility at. this stage ,is to look
37 at what "s good for ' the entire St. Anthony community and not just
38 what ' s good for either the City or the School. His suggestion
39 that a facilitator be retained for the joint session was accepted
40 with ' the perception that any adversarial atmosphere would be
41 eliminated if that were done.
42 ' Councilmember Enrooth said he perceived the . City was now having
43 serious second thoughts :about the move, where at -the beginning he
.44 and Councilmember Marks , as the City' s negotiators , had perceived
45 there had, been• a -consensus. of direction and agreement between the
46 City and School- District at the outset of the discussions . .
14
1 Councilmember Ranallo pointed. out that the City.- had even spent
2 - money to have a purchase agreement drawn up -because it was
3 perceived an agreement. had been worked out.
4 The Mayor said he had to echo the. .perception that because the City
5 had given' the School District the land on which to build a school , .
6 it ' only seemed reasonable now that - they no longer have an
7 educational purpose for the land that it should revert back to the
8 City ,and the City -would only have -to buy the building.
9 Mr . Soth said that is what the deed says. -He also pointed out
10 that the statute which dictated that covenant expired in 30 years
11 had been repealed one year after the covenant had expired.
12 Councilmembei --Ranallo - reiterated that he perceived what the
13 Council had to look after was what would benefit all the tax
14 payers . Mayor Sundland said he doubted those taxpayers would be
15 happy to see both the School and City paying thousands of dollars
16 to get "a matter resolved which the 'City and School District
17 should be able to resolve by themselves , " because, as Councilmem-
18 ber Ranallo had observed, ' "it all boils down to ,which taxpayers '
19 pockets you take the money from. "
20 Councilmember Marks said he agreed with Councilmember Enrooth that
21' they had thought a deal had been struck before the School District
�22 started "unsweetening" rather' than "sweetening" the pot. He
23 pointed out that because the Parkview location was in the exact
24 center of St. Anthony, it made more sense to have the administra
25 tion and principal City services located right in the center of
26 town. . He added, however, that he could also see where it might
27 enhance the "Gateway to the City" if a new City Hall were
28 incorporated into the Trillium Park in that area.
29 Mr. Childs commented that he would have some serious reservations
30 about constructing homes which would have a carbon filtration..
31 plant, a well pump house, the . water tower , softball diamonds and
32 tennis -courts in their back yards . -He also agreed it was hard to
33 conceive how the school could come out ahead selling ten lots for
34 $30 , 000 apiece in face of the costs of developing a residential
35 tract on that land, which but for a technicality actually still.
36 belongs to the City. The costs the School District could be
37 expected to incur included those for surveying .the land for homes ,
38 sewer installations and the construction costs. if the school
39 undertook the project itself . .
40 Councilmember Enrooth indicated that he had to agree with Mr.
41 Childs that in view of the resale value of Parkview, the City
42- would have to stay there no matter: what if they paid to remodel it
43 for its own use at this time.
• 44 -Councilmember Ranallo concurred and added he perceived.. the last
45 thing the City would want to do would be to try to lease the
15
l building out because he expected taxes would have to be paid. on •
2- any rents which were: taken in.
3 Mr . Childs said he -' perceived it - would be essential for the
4 Councilmembers to take a positive - approach to their• September .9th
5, negotiations with the School Board, .even if. there might be reason
6 for them to feel - they "were being taken. " He .agreed having a
7 facilitator for - the meeting at.. little or no. expense, would
8 probably eliminate a lot of arguing time, which should be used
9 instead to determine what could realistically be accomplished in .
10 relation to the disposition of Parkview.
11 NEW BUSINESS
12 Electrical Work on Well #5 -to be Done by Dickson Electric
13 The City Manager indicated the $3 , 050. 00 quotation from the above
14 firm covered the purchase and installation of the new control
15 panel the Council authorized March 25th, in anticipation of
16 converting the well pump to an electric motor and gas backup to
17 take- advantage of an interruptible service arrangement with NSP
18 next year . He indicated the Public Works Department wanted to get
19 the 480 volt service in before the weather gets bad because there
20 is underground work that has to be .done this winter. ,
21 Mr . Hamer told Councilmember Ranallo there had , been no other
22 quotes received but the costs of this installation were pretty
23 much in line with electrical quotes received on the installation .
24 of the kitchen in the Stonehouse.
25 Council Action
26 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to accept the $3 , 050 . 00
27 quote from Dickson Electric to- supply and install a new control
28 panel in well #5 . -
29 Motion carried unanimously.
30 HAMER SUGGESTS REMEDIES TO PREVENT FUTURE STORM PROBLEMS
31 *Council Okays. Purchase of Manhole Cover Liners
32 The Public Works Director had gotten a quotation for -the 71 Preco
33 liners he thought would be helpful in reducing infiltration of
34 groundwater- - into the City' s sanitary sewer lines during heavy
35 rainfalls like that which fell on St. Anthony, •July 23rd.
36 Mr. Childs said he agreed that by preventing. the substantial
37 amount of water which Mr . : Hamer had estimated had in-filtrated
38 through the, one inch openings in the manholes. during the storm,
39 the City would be taking at - least an initial step towards prevent-
40 ing future sanitary sewer . backups into homes, which seems to
16
1 follow storms of the' -calibre the City experienced this . summer and
2 in 19.78 .
3 'Mr. Hamer told *the' Council he- expected to be able to: pay for the
4 liners from the.' savings his -department had experienced because of
5 the lower costs for gas and oil earlier in the year.
6 Council Action
7 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Makowske to accept the quotation of
8 $2 , 804 . 50 from the Water Products -Company for the purchase of 71
9 manhole cover liners.
10 Motion carried unanimously.
11 Mr. Hamer indicated he would not be attending the Council ' s budget
12 work session the following evening,m but wanted them to have a
13 general feel for some of the costs the City might be facing if the
14 other steps one was proposing were taken. On a map of the City' s
15 sanitary and storm sewer installations. the Public Works Director
16 - pointed to the areas for which he is seeking engineering advice
17 related to taking corrective measures . He expanded on his .other .
18 proposals which had been mentioned in the August l9th .staff
19 meeting notes with the following suggestions :
�20 *Feasibility of 48 ' Inch Storm Sewer Line to be Studied
21 Mr . Hamer had provided Councilmembers with copies of proposals
22 from Short-Elliott-Hendrickson, Inc. and -Reike Carroll Muller to
23 study the feasibility and costs of constructing new 48 inch pipes
24 and backups from Harding Street behind the Northgate Office Park
25 building, along Coolidge to hook up the Highway 88 storm sewer
26 lines . He indicated he expected this would divert all the storm
27 water from the industrial park area - and ditch lines as well as
28 from the new lines on Coolidge which drain the area from 29th
29 Avenue N.E. , just before the "big "dropoff" where the existing
30 lines have been backing _ up even with .less than two inches -of
31 rainfall. The study would also indicated just how much flow from
32 - the shopping center area could be diverted to the holding pond
33 planned for the new redevelopment project.
34 *Feasibility of Retention Pond in Landlocked Area West of Silver
35 Lake Road and Between 30th and 31st Avenues To Be Studied
36 Mr. Hamer said the very large back yards . in this area are con-
37 stantly flooded and. their, owners might welcome a project which
38 alleviated that. He indicated:
39 *one of the largest back- yards is on Harding Street and its
40 owner might be willing to sell ,part of his land to the
• 41 City for an outfall easement;
17
1 *this purchase - would provide the necessary land for a reten- •
2 tion pond which would enable - the City to control the levels
3 and let out enough. water at a time to prevent flooding.
4 Councilmember Enrooth said he could see where the existing sewer
5 system could only accommodate so much water and 'the City has to
. 6 take steps to get some control over the flow to prevent future
.7 flooding problems. . He said he considered Mr. Hamer ' s suggestion
8 to be part of the solution to flooding problems which ' the Council
9 had asked staff to research.
10 *Fees or Taxes .Needed to Pay for Corrective Measures
11 The Public Works Director said he thought the City Council should
- 12 be considering imposing users fees just as Fridley and a number
13 of -other cities have to pay for updating their storm sewer system.
14 Councilmember Ranallo suggested consideration should be given
15 instead, to bonding and taxing for the improvements because, at
16 least the taxpayers could deduct .those charges from their taxes.
17 Mr. Childs indicated he would be providing further information on
18 both methods.
19 *Engineer Studying Costs of Repairing Destruction of the Mirror
20 Lake Basin •
21 The City might .. .be facing a major cost doing .the above,,: as
: . 22 indicated in the report . furnished the Councilmembers , that evening,.
23 Mr. Hamer -said. Mr . Childs indicated this involved a side issue
24 which could also be discussed during the budget work session.
25 ADJOURNMENT
26 Motion by Ranallo , seconded by Marks . to adjourn the meeting at
27 8 : 58 P.M. for the St. Anthony Housing and Redevelopment Authority
28 meeting which followed immediately.
29 Motion carried unanimously.
30 Respectfully .submitted,
31 Helen Crowe, Secretary
32
33 Mayor.
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34 ATTEST:
35 City Clerk •
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C=TY (D F' S T . ANTHONY
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F1 4C)U S I NG AND. RED EV]—:;'T--,C:)PMENT
AUTHOR 31 TY M=NUT=S
AUGUST 2 5. 0 1 9:8 7.
1 The meeting. was called to order by. Chairman Sundland at 6 : 30 P.M..
2 Present: Sundland, Vice Chair Enrooth ( 6 : 37 P.M. ) , Secretary/
3 Treasurer Marks, and Commissioners Ranallo and Makow-
4 ske ( 6: 35 P.M. )
5 Also present: David Childs , Executive Director
6 William Soth, H.R.A. Attorney
7 Richard .Krier of Development Advisory Services ,
8 Consultant
9 Paul Brewer, President of LaNel Financial Group,
10 Inc.
11 Gregory Bronk, Analyst, Lang-Nelson Associates,
12 Inc.
13 Mr. Childs reported that he, and Messrs. Soth and Krier, as the
14 selection team appointed by the H.R.A. , had selected Lang-Nelson
15 and Gaughan as final contenders to do Phase III of the Kenzie
16 Terrace Redevelopment Project.
17 Mr. Brewer reiterated the historical background of Lang-Nelson as
8 given in booklet form to the H.R.A. He said as important as the
19 bricks and mortar are , he perceived "who we are, what- is our
20 ability to finish projects, financial strength, ability to manage
21 properties and our long range plans" . The LaNel executive said he
- 22 perceived the H.R.A. would especially be interested to know. whether
23 L*anq-Nelson would add value to the quality of life in St. Anthony
24 and whether they would still be here as a member of the community.
25 and a presence on the street ten years from now.
26 Copies of Mr. Brewer ' s August 17th response to a request from Mr..
27 Krier for further clarification of some points in Lang-Nelson' s
28 proposal related to the exterior treatment of the proposed build-
29 ings , completion of project to assure TIF bonds could be amortized,
30 taxes the' firm expected to pay St. Anthony, and whether the
31 buildings would be sprinklered had been distributed along with a
32 listing of. the firm' s properties and an organizational chart.
33 The developers had a prototype of the type of buildings the H.R.A.
34 could expect them to build, although Mr. Brewer indicated-.the final
'35 architectural details would not be developed until Lang-Nelson has .
36 made its final marketing, environmental, and financial.,analysis
37 after the R.R.A. decision that evening.
38 Mr. Brewer made the following points. about his firm and. the project .
39 they`proposed , to build in St. Anthony:
1 , Management •
. 2 Lang=Nelson doesn'-t manage property for other people but .owns,
3 . or 'has built, and manages good quality properties ranging
4 -from two. to 400 .units on 26 .different sites in the metropoli-
5 tan 'area ' including 3 ,000 plus apartments ; two office build-
6 ings, and an office warehouse;
7 has good management training which had resulted in very suc-
8 cessful 'occupancy rates with a little over 97% of the 3 , 000 ,
9 units they occupy and .manage , filled up;
10 'there are only 7 vacancies in the new Burnsville 400 unit
11 project and only from 5 to 10 units empty in the 252 unit
12 senior Anthony James project in New Hope.
13
14 showed the prototype. of that development, saying the same
15 type of 3 story building with heated -underground parking was
16 envisioned for the St. Anthony property where a transition
17 would. be necessary between commercial , residential, and the
18 highway;
19 indicated the 252 unit Broadway Village had been constructed
20 in front of a "junky looking" shopping center which Lang-
21 Nelson had remodeled and landscaped to have uniform, store
22 frontages and signage. , •
23 Security
24 Fully secured building with televised entrance where person in
25 charge can see- who. is coming in before opening the door;
26 apartment occupants can also see guest on own television.
27 Social/Recreational Areas
28 Health club ( showed pictures of Anthony James facilities )
29 exercise area;
30 said residents actually like to walk the long halls better;
31
32 whirlpool .a•rea with deck where occupants can go outside in
33 nice weather;
34 two locker .rooms with saunas in them;.
35 community room does get a lot of play - open at all times, has
36, kitchen in it- and., serves as, a gathering place for :the seniors
37 who like to get together .
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2
• 1 Siting
2 Would wrap the buildings around the exterior and create a
3 focal point in the •middle with an entryway off Kenzie Terrace
4 to accept this project rather than the Walker Senior . project;. ,
5
6 would do a lot .with landscaping around the retention pond.
7 Parking
8 Said would provide 206 parking stalls in underground garages;
9 177 on the surface plus another 27 ancillary spaces to. meet
10 ordinance requirements.
11 Buildings
12 Three 3 story, with a total of 201 units ;
13 Building A, 96 units ; Building B, - 51 units ; and Building C, 54
14 units;
15 all three would have brick exteriors- with wood as an accent
16 principally around balconies - to avoid "institutional look" to
17 the buildings;
•18 hip roofs would look more residential and would be easier to
19 keep snow off in this climate;
20 balconies would be pulled out from the buildings and lots of-
21 angles would be provided because from a marketing standpoint
2'2 these are very important.
23 Phasing
24 Said would clear site as soon s City acquires it. Said under-
25 stood that would be sometime after. September 15th;
26 would start construction as soon as possible in the spring
27 by 'April 1st', but sooner if weather, demolition and site
28 preparation permitted;
29 would construct Building A, the larger building with 96 units
30 of market rent first, but at same time would start Building C
31 which would be rented for 55 and over ;
32 leasing would start around the middle of December, 1988 , but
33 wouldn' t anticipate buildings would be filled up until June or
34 July, 1989 ;
35 Building B -would be started in the spring of 1989 . Lang-
36 Nelson plans. it -for 55 and .over' but wants the option :of
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1 building it market rate i.f market for seniors is soft for
2 Building C;
3 said would guarantee in- the Redevelopers Agreement .that- all . -
4 -three buildings-would be constructed as .scheduled to prevent
5 problems with bond financing;
6 reiterated that Lang-Nelson would prefer to have 201 senior
7 rentals in this project but have concerns -that. the -market of
8 that type of rental might- not be that .deep in St. Anthony;
9 found with the Anthony. James project, that seniors take a: < ::
10 long time- making up their minds to move, preferring to wait
11 until spring to sell their current homes. The absorption
12 time needed for seniors is almost double that for market
13 rate as a result.
14 Building Extras
15 There would be laundries in each unit;
16 an interior trash system would call for no dumpsters outside
17 and dumpsters for larger items only in the garage area.
18 The Lang-Nelson representatives made the following responses to
19 H.R.A. questions:
20 Financial
21 When 'Mr. Soth said the City would want to close on the land
22 with them at the same time they acquired the land, Mr. Bronk
23 said he had always been pessimistic about a -September.. closing,
24 perceiving that would leave them with a negative arbitrage on
25 the money;
26 said the longer the closing went out to the end of, 1987-, -the
27 better the financial picture would be for them;
28 said they. would be willing to take all the land at one time
29 but couldn' t guarantee they wouldn' t split the bond issue .
30 since the bonding houses have indicated a $10 , 000 ,000
31 issue.'--might be too big to handle at one time and if the issue
32 is phased.. over 60 or 90 days , they might be able to get a
.33 better interest rate than if the .entire issue is forced
34 at once;
35
36 reported Jerry. Gilligan had told them half the bond issue.
37 would have to be taken down in -19.87- but they would have until
38 next year to do the remainder; and . .
39 ' ' -however- ', . he indicated, - he understood that the $36.0 , 000 Letter
40 of Credit would have to be put up at- the- time the Redevelopers •
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2 Agreement i-s signed and would not be :contingent upon getting
3 the bonds placed;
4 Mr—Bronk said he had gotten a very -positive- feed back on the.
5 bonds but it was hard to get a commitment before ,they. owned .
6 the land;
7 reiterated that it was, his understanding that the Letter of
8 Credit would assure completion of the. project, -but Frank Lang
9 and Gene Nelson would individually guaranty. the .performance.
10 of the development contract, i.e. ,. complete the buildings- to .
11 provide tax base to pay down the TIF.
12 Mr. Bronk provided the financing on other. projects Lang-Nelson had
13 constructed as follows:
14 Said Woods Park in Burnsville had been done with Industrial -
15 Bonds and closed in 1983 ; bond issue was for $25 , 000 ,000 for 6
16 buildings with 400 staged units ; started with two buildings
17 and gradually rented- them up; completed the last building in
18 January, 1986.
19 Anthony James was done with Industrial Revenue bonds with tax
20 increment financing through the City of New Hope; $3 , 350 ,000
•2.1 in non-rated revenue bonds were sold and. the city provided
22 some up front TIF money to acquire the land and do some of the
23 improvements as well as some interest write-down money; the :
24 project was- all arranged by Frank Lang and a whole group of
25 partners.
26 Construction on the 110 unit project they are planning to
27 close in Coon Rapids would start in October; the firm has
28 conventional financing on that.
29 ' Dorsey & Whitney have acted as bond counsel for both the .
30 Burnsville and New Hope projects.
31 Phasing .
32 Preliminary planning -indicates- they would want to construct
33 Buildings C and A first ,to screen the property from Lowry and .
34 Kenzie and create an interior .court which would be a .good mar-
35 keting point for seniors ;
.. 36 gearing everything to making. Building- B senior rental. because
37 they stay longer and pay better;
38 when asked what it would take to modify their phasing. schedule
39 to do all three buildings at once, Mr.- Brewer said . he per-
-. 40 : : ceived doing 150 units next spring represented a big chunk at
•41 that time and they wouldn' t have any . product to lease until
5
1 late 1988 or early 1989, which would not- be- a reasonable sea--
2 son to -start construction on a third building; _ .
3
4 looking at Building B for . early in 1989 ;. .
5 pointed to -the 73 unit Anthony James project as..a case where
6 they had burned -the previous building down. .in June, 1986 , and
7 although that had been a very. wet fall, had a Certificate of
8 -Occupancy on the project by December 1st;
9 - reported the partnership had acted as the prime contractor on
10 that - job and- used- Franklin Construction to oversee the. bidding .
11 process. The prime contractor had made all the contacts with
12 the various subs and trades on that job;
13 said it was most likely they would be doing the same on the
14 Coon Rapids project where they planned to put the contract
15 out for bid, try to -get - a fixed price, bonded contract and,
16 depending on how the figures came in, would either go with
17 the' fixed price or would have the partnership again act as
18 contractor under• a 'construction management -agreement;
19 indicated that had worked very successfully on the last two
20 projects Lang-Nelson had done;
21 said they had been very happy with Franklin and .had exper- •
22 ienced some substantial cost savings by following that
23 process.
24 Occupancy Market in St. Anthony
25 Mr. Brewer said he thought that Maxfield Research' s market
26 study figures about demand for senior rental might be -a little
27 "heavy" ;
28
29 said Lang-Nelson- thinks 100 units.- of 55 and over would be
30 closer to what the market will bear;
31 indicated it might be hard when dealing with a lot of older
32 buildings and much lower .already existing in St. Anthony
S3 rents to draw a comparison with new construction rents and
34 market demand;
35 perceived that type of market study couldn' t really tell
36 what the market for new property would actually. be;
37 pointed out that. the study had to take into account the fact
38 that alot. of seniors would be selling their homes and it '
39 would be hard to predict- .how many would actually. be .ready to
40 move into a new type of housing;
6
1 reported his company's=;.experience in New Hope had -been .that . it
2 took twice as long as .expected to- absorb . those seniors ;.: .
3 .. the company would be facing ,the. same .problem in Coon Rapids
4 where it will be interesting-.to watch how many single family
5 homeowners can be persuaded to move into apartments ;
6 said he doubted whether they - would be able to get someone
7 who' s currently living in a -St. - Anthony apartment to move to
8 the new apartments because the jumps. in rents would .probably .
9 be too high; (expected the amenities and location as well as
-.10 the availability of- transit would be tempting but perceived
11 most people over 55 have already set- their budgets and it
12 would probably be difficult to get them .to move up) .
13 Mr. Brewer concluded by telling the .H.R.A. Lang-Nelson wanted to do
14 the City' s project very much because it thinks it would be very
15 successful. He said they like the community and -wanted to .become
16 part of it. The developer also assured _the H.R.A. members .that
17 once his company had made a' decision to go ahead with the develop-
18 ment, they would finish it.
19 MEETING RECESSED
20 The Housing and Redevelopment Authority meeting was recessed at
•21 7 : 20 P.M. for the City Council' s interview of an applicant to - fill
22 the vacancy on the Eastside Hennepin County Human Services. Commit-
23 tee and the Council meeting which followed at. 7 : 30 P.M.
24 The H.R.A. meeting was reconvened at 9: 00 P.M. with Alan Hamel of
25 the Gaughan Company present to discuss his company' s proposal to do
26 Phase III .
27 All H.R.A. members, as well as -Messrs. Childs, Soth, and Krier were
28 again in attendance for that presentation, which followed the
29 approval of the August 25th H.R.A. minutes and claims listed in the
30 agenda for that meeting.
31 AUGUST 25 , 1987 H.R.A. MINUTES
32 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Enrooth to .approve the above with
33 the following change:
34 Page 2 , line 38 : Substitute "his" for "he" at beginning of
35 sentence.
36 Motion carried unanimously.
37 CLAIMS
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1. .:Motion by Marks-' seconded • by•: -.Enrooth._, to. approve .:,payment. of..
2 , $3 , 7.57 . 16 'to Development Advisory :Services; :for- July, 1987 consult-
3 ing services.
4 Motion carried unanimously.
5 MEETING RECESSED FOR COUNCIL APPOINTMENT OF PEGGY SWONGER
6 , Motion by . Ranallo, seconded by -Marks -to recess the meeting at 9 : 03
7 P.M. to reconvene the Council meeting. for: the above purpose..
8 Motion carried unanimously.
9 PRESIDENT OF GAUGHAN COMPANY GIVES HIS REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL FOR
10 PHASE III
11 Mr. Hamel said P. J. Gaughan had wanted to be there himself - that
12 evening but had scheduled an out-of-town trip prior to the notific- .
13 ation of . this meeting_ and would not .be returning until later that.
14 evening.
15 The redeveloper said the following about the project they propose
16 to develop:
17 Buildings
18 Mr. Hamel' indicated Gaughan planned to erect two, .2 story
19 buildings- with 100 units each and pretty much -identical . to-
20 each other;
21 said by putting all'housing in two buildings would be able to
22 preserve quite a bit of green area for a 6. 9 acre development
23 project.
24 Exteriors
25 Would be predominately brick with rough hewn cedar around bal-
26 cony area in keeping with the City' s guidelines .
27 Siting
28 Under Krier ' s and Childs' direction, the mature adult (.55 and
29 over) oriented building would be constructed on the Lowry Ave-
30' nue side to be more . compatible with the residential Minneapo-
31 lis neighborhood;
32 the Kenzie :Terrace building would be- oriented to empty
33 nesters, working couples , single- professionals, etc..
34
35. if a couple with a child applied, they .could. be housed in a.
36• two bedroom unit , but Gaughan doesn' t.. usually market to f.amil
37 ies except in townhouse projects. •
8
• 1 Density
2 Mr.. Hamel said density. would_ be high for typical suburban
3 development but only moderate, .when- considered as a - redevelop .
4 ment project;
5 denisty is a little higher than. the total LaBelle Park
6 project in Columbia Heights, but lower than the 60 unit
7 building in that project.
8 Units
9 -Mr. Hamel indicated 50 - one bedroom and 50 twb .bedrooms in each
10 building;
11 design would be very similar to LaBelle Park condominiums from
12 which the plans for this project would be taken;
13 in 'all cases would have two dining areas, a formal dining room
14 and space in the kitchen area to have a small kitchen table;
15 Mr . Hamel said, although there .might have to be some modifica-
16 tions to the one bedroom units , the picture he showed basic-
17 ally indicated the unit types he expected to be provided in
18 the St. Anthony buildings ;
019 pointed out that jogs in the buildings would add interest to
20 the units and said typically, units with different shapes are
21 more in demand.
22 Amenities
23 said his firm tries to provide walk-in closets. in all units
24 but it might not be possible for some one bedroom units ;
25 each building would have a community area providing social
26 and recreational activities;
27 right now not considering a whirlpool area because they have
28 found a large area like that turns out to be a maintenance
29 problem for its location and the rooms above it;
30 might have a Jacuzi tub .situation in the senior .building;
31 specific floor plans would come in the .-next planning step,
32 but have provided Jacuzi rooms in other senior projects which
33 worked out fine;
34 told Councilmember Makowske ,didn' t have specific plans yet for
35 the social space but his firm recognized the need for social/
•36 recreational activities in senior..projects ;
9
1 Mr. Hamel assured the Councilmember there: would be :ceramic, '
. 2 tile in the bathrooms.
3. Air Conditioning
4 Not certain about specifics, but thought individual units like
5 those in the LaBelle condominiums would, be provided. Showed j
6 colored photos of rooms with units in. them.
7 Sprinklers
8 Mr. Hamel did not know what St. Anthony codes called for but
9 = indicated -Gaughan would not be! adverse to looking at a fire
10 sprinkled system in the development agreement.
11 Occupancy
.12 Gaughan believes they can fill 100 units of senior housing
13 over a reasonable marketing . period;
14 pointed out that Gaughan had finished a 72 unit congregate
15 senior project in Coon Rapids in February and that building
16 is now about 920 occupied.;
17 said Coon Rapids has a lower senior population than St..
18 Anthony and rents were comparable to what would be asked for •
19 the City project, so they are not terribly concerned about
20 having problems with .renting those units ;
21 Mr . Hamel said his firm had used the Maxfield report and their
22 own touch with this area;
23 pointed out that neither the LaBelle or ;University. Heights
24 projects had been restricted- by age and both had attracted a
25 good number of St. Anthony seniors;
26 said LaBelle Park is now almost exclusively a 55 and over
27 project;
28 perceived when a particular price bracket is reached, a. dev-
29 elopment would not be attracting kids just out of high
30 school ; and
31 the project would rather be marketed to those who have been
.� ' 32- successful and have built up equities in- .their homes or .good
33 paying jobs ;
34 Mr . Hamel said -he thought Gaughan had already demonstrated
"35 through the *LaBelle and University Heights projects that the
-36 northeast area is a close knit. community -from which people
37 don' t want to move .too far;
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91 _ said you* could draw a. circle around a five mile radius and
1. 2. find almost all who bought into either-- of those
projects had;.
3 come from Northeast Minneapolis, . St. Anthony, New Brighton, ,.
4 Fridley, or Columbia Heights .and not many from Richfield or
5 Edina;
6 Mr . Hamel showed photos of. similar buildings and said one of
7 these was 196 unit project of market rate housing in Coon
8 Rapids which was a tax increment development with over 60%
9 occupancy of what could be considered "mature adults" ;
10 said a lot of his firm' s housing units are .developing an
11 older clientele and in ' the last four or five years the .-climate
12 had dramatically changed in that direction.
13 Construction Costs
14 final unit cost of about $4-4 , 500 permit with land,. etc. --
15 Rents
16 Would average $535 for one bedroom; $635 for two bedroom;
17 Mr. Hamel acknowledged that was higher than what' s currently
18 charged in St. Anthony with high $300 ' s for one bedroom units
•19 and about $450 -for two bedroom;
20 pointed out that there are no similar rentals in .St. Anthony
21 and said believed if marketed properly and extensively, rents
22 of that level would be both feasible and achievable.
23 Timetable
24 Mr. Hamel said he understood from Mr. . Childs that the . land
25 would probably not be available this fall but would start
26 construction as soon as it was available;
27 would like to start and go to the market for financing as soon
28 as possible because not sure what long term interest rates
29 might do;
30 existing pro forma is based on 8-1/2a per a ten year issuance
31 and, if interest rates go up, rentals would have to be raised
32 to the point where viability of the. project might be put in- ,
33 question;
34 there might be a gap of two months between the . start of the
35 two buildings construction;
36 Mr. Hamel told Counci-lmember Ranallo it might be possible by
37 having firewall separation to. continue carpentry. .and thus
•38 phase the occupancy of the building;
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2 ing -a building.
3 Financing
4— Mr. .-Hamel said looking at unparking $8 , 500 , 000 of :the - bonds
5. . the Village sold for the project which, with reserve funding .
6 would approach $9 , 000 , 000.;
7 said Gaughan- has extensive experience in doing tax increment
8 projects and gave Coon Rapids and Cambridge projects as
9 examples ;
10 Mr. Hamel pointed out that his own background experience had
11 been in. city and urban planning;
12 - said he had served as Community Development Director of Coon
13 Rapids and had ,been with Gaughan for ten years ; • .
14 said Pat Gaughan would personally sign the Redevelopment
15" Agreement as the guarantor of the development;
16" understood the $360 ,000 Letter of Credit would be irrevocable
17 and non-refundable ;
18 Soth indicated the City was hoping it could buy rather than •.
19 condemn the project property and would prefer to close with
20 the developer..at the same time" a•s the closing for the land::,so
21' the City could use the developer ' s $700 , 000 . for that purpose ;
22 Mr . Hamel said he assumed Gaughan would like to get into the
23 financing just as soon as possible and would be ready to
24 close on the land when it was available ;
25 Mr. Hamel said he would envision all that happening at once
26 because it would be tough to get the underwriter to resell
27 the bond issue not knowing when the land is going to be
28 delivered;
29 reiterated that the arrangement would be "fine for us at the
30 earliest possible date. "
- 31 Security
32 Mr: Hamel indicated all Gaughan buildings are security-type.
IT Said-.a security call system would be at the main entrance.
34 :Only residents :could enter - other entrances and would need a
35 key to unlock the- door;
36 there would be 24 hours a day security .provided; . ,
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• 1 would-have to create a : security system with television in the
2 garage - area to keep someone -from-.sneaking in when a -car-.enters
3 that area;
4 recognized security was a main concern of mature adult.s ,and
5 would_.do as much as possible to prevent anyone from breaking
6 in;
7 same system would be provided to create a secure environment
8 for residents of both buildings ;
9 lighting -around the buildings would also provide a feeling of
10 security.
11 Building Management
12 Mr. Hamel indicated larger part of Gaughan business and staff-
13 ing is' 'devoted to management of 1 , 400 units they own or
14 manage;
15 this type of activity is one the firm wants to remain with
16 because it provides year in and year out revenues and stable
17 incomes where construction normally goes in fits and starts;
18 staffing (other than bringing in specialties like under-
•19 writers , -bond issuers and bankers and training the rest of the
20 development team) is pretty much in-house with their own
21 people ;
22 pointed out that, other than the new development in Downtown
23 Minneapolis , Gaughan has a -vacancy rate of under .l% in . terms
24 -of keeping the buildings filled which .should be an indication
25 that they do a good management job;
26 told Councilmember Ranallo each building would have its own
27 resident manager- and 3 caretakers who would work under that
28 person. The resident manager would take care of rent col-
29 lections and would be responsible for the day to day manage-
30 ment activities within the building;
31 the resident manager in the senior building- would provide some
32 different types of programming and activity direction which
33 might not be necessary for the other building;
34 management persons -.of-higher -calibre-.would be sought for -the
35 senior building and:' they would necessarily be, paid more to
36 match those higher activities;
37 the resident managers .would take applications from the pro-
- 38 spective residents but the credit and reference checks would
39, be ' done in the main office where a .computer terminal is dir-
040 ectly:,.connected to a Credit Scan system;
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1 Who Would Do Construction?
2 Mr. -Hamel said . Gaughan has own construction superintendents ,
3 estirnatbrs' and support staff as well .as. general labor , .but not
4 own crews , . which .is -subbed out;
5 has full and part -time staff of about 190 people of whom. 3.5
6 full time do nothing but construction and management.
7 Councilmember Makowske asked Mr. .. Hamel how he felt about_this
8 project. He responded by saying he considered it to be a good
9 project - for Gaughan because their major activity -is in the
10 northern suburbs where they 'do well and this project should fit in.
11 well with other developments in their portfolio for the region. .
12 The Gaughan executive indicated his firm had been too involved in
13 the Columbia Heights project in 1980 to seriously consider this
14 project at -that time; added that, after reading the 1980 feasibil-
15 ity study, wouldn' t have wanted to do the 495 units of condominiums
16 for the project at that time, but Pat Gaughan now feels he can fill
17 100 units of senior housing and 100 units of non-senior rental over
18 a reasonable marketing period.
19 Mr. Hamel pointed to the LaBelle Park 248 unit condominium project
20 close by in Columbia Heights as an example of a type of project
21 which he thought would- be very similar to the Kenzie Terrace •
22 project and one which had been very successful.
23 H.R.A. MAKES TOUGH CHOICE BETWEEN TWO EXCELLENT PROPOSALS
24 After Mr. Hamel had gone, -Mr . .Krier told the -H.R.A. members he. had
25 met .at least three -times with all the developers who had submitted
26 proposals for the project and at each meeting had requested .they .
27 update their proposals to meet H.R.A. requirements for brick
28 exteriors . He also said all developers had been alerted to the
29 part they would have to .play in working with the neighbors adjacent
30 to the project.
31 He distributed the responses he had gotten from Sherman-Boosalis
32 and said the Walker-Stuart Kraus-Anderson group proposal had been
33 for two; 4 story, , 80 unit residential buildings -which would be 70% .
34 , wood. and fully sprinkled. He said they .had offered to pay .nothing
35 for the land and estimated would - be paying . $215 , 000 a year in
36 taxes . - They would provide a $360 ,000 Letter of Credit but each
'37 , company would be responsible. for, their own project; Walker, for ;:the
38 senior ; Stuart for the . market rate, -. and K-A ' ,for the commercial; .
39 and, if one failed,- ' all would not necessarily have to, fail. . .
40 Comments from H.R.A. and staff:
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• 1 Ranallo said._it was hard for-.him to -make -a choice between Lang-
2 Nelson and Gaughan;
3 was told. -selection team would- be happy with either.;
4 indicated. he liked Gaughan' s two building approach better
. 5 than Lang-Nelson' s three building proposa.l .and liked
6 -having the seniors located closest to the Northeast .
7 ..Minneapolis neighbors.
8 ' Sundland 'said he -.saw an advantage to having Gaughan come in . and. do
9 both buildings at the same time;
10 noted that Pat Gaughan had worked extensively with cities
11 in- the- north and northeast areas so pretty well knew. what
12 H.-R.A. ' s were expecting;
13 said Gaughan also seemed to understand precisely what the
14 H.R.A. required when it came to the $700 , 000 payment and
15 and had agreed to personally sign the Letter of Credit.
16 Krier pointed out that the "qualifier" in the Gaughan proposal
17 might be -that they- wanted to go to market rate occupancy
18 temporarily if they can' t. rent one whole building to
19 seniors.
0 Marks responded- by saying - he perceived . that might be a better
1 strategy for the City because the H.R.A. certainly
22 wouldn' t want to have a building standing empty.
23 Childs pointed out that Lang-Nelson representative had indicated
24 he didn' t want any misunderstanding about their not
25 guaranteeing Building B would be senior occupied if they
26 had a problem renting the other senior building.
27 Soth said he perceived several points in favor of, Gaughan: the
28 firm has constructed between 1 , 600 and 1 , 700 units where.
29 Lang-Nelson has constructed only 473 . Both firms have
30 owned and ,managed about the same number of units . Gau-
31 ghan has its own construction management staff .and would
32 have no phasing. However , the Attorney perceived Lang-
33 Nelson was an awfully good.:.firm, too.
3A Marks agreed .there was so much similarity in the companies and
35 . said he thought. what it .finally came down to was. who the
36 H.R.A. would be the most comfortable with in the long::.._.
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38 Childs said he believed after sitting down with P. J. Gaughan,
- 39 that he sincerely wanted to do at least 100 units of
40 senior and would do everything he could to get at least
•41 . one building of seniors . -: He said he perceived that
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1 Mr . Gaughan:'.uias .committed. to do. that; and believed he • .
2 could do it;
3- pointed out .-that - the other developer was saying-:. they
.4 know they -cah 'do-' 50 senior units but: aren' t sure.. .about
5 the third building;
6 added that Gaughan plan was exactly what the H.R.A. had
7 asked for.
8 Makowske said she also liked the fact that Gaughan had been res-
9 ponsive to the City' s request in that regard.
10 Krier commented that when the-H.R.A.:- compares the two proposals
11 they would see both provided the quality of buildings
12 and both companies certainly had the capability of doing
13 the project;
14 however, he saw one advantage for Gaughan was the fact
15 they had their own construction company which should be
16 an advantage in getting the project finished on time;-
17 said another advantage with their proposal is the fact
18 that there would be no phasing and Gaughan had promised
19 to -start faster.
20 Ranallo said he thought the H.R.A. should go with the Gaughan
21 Company.
22 Marks agreed.
23 Makowske said it had been little things like providing ceramic in
24 the bathroom where the other company had said linoleum
25 which had convinced her Gaughan should be chosen because
26 she perceived that ' s the sort of thing which would sell
27 the buildings to renters.
28 Krier Instructed Concerning Points Which Should Be Negotiated in
29 Gaughan Agreement
30 Sundland perceived Gaughan might have skirted ,the' issue about the
31 senior functions in their proposal.
32 Enrooth . said he wasn't sure Mr. Hamel had been in a position to
33' ' know about that-' at this time because..they had ended .up
34 with the same architect as Lang-Nelson and hadn' t been
35 with, a new architect long enough to- have final .design
36 details like that.
37 Makowske said she 'had - sensed she hadn' t gotten a specific "yes"
38' when: it came-to-the community room which- she -considers •
39 a very important part of a senior building.
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1 Childs said..-he thought the only difference 'had been that-Lang-
2 Nelson had- an. example of a community 'room-with them, and
3 if-'they perceived that. had ,gone over well with the H.R.A.
4 would have said "that ' s what we ' re going to do. "
5 . Krier indicated he thought Mr: Hamel had ''hedged"- on that - '
6 point, but -perceived both developers had been sophisti
7 Gated enough .that they wouldn't have hesitated to tell
8.' the H.R.A. .right out if they thought any of their ideas
9 were too difficult to do;
.10 he said any suggestions .the H.R.A. had could better be '.
11 .negotiated before the Redevelopment 'Agreement was signed '
12 -than after, and since Gaughan knew.they would need to
13 have specifics related to brick, wood, and design attra-
14- ctions when they talked to the Minneapolis neighbors ,
15 they would probably have colored sketches of improvements
16 like the exteriors , community rooms, etc. right at the
17 start anyway.
18 Makowske said she would like to see some type of different design
19 for the buildings like arched windows , to give the build-
20 ing a "more classy look. " ;
21 was told the specifics of building design would be the
�22 next step .in the development planning.
23 Soth said the first thing the H.R.A. wanted. to do ,would .be
24 to get the Redevelopment Agreement signed, which should
25 not be too difficult since Gaughan had already agreed to
26 do most of. what the H.R.A. wanted.
27 Childs pointed out that in relation to the changes in the
28 P.U.D. , the Planning Commission and Council would have .
29 to consider at public hearings, there would be no need
30 for height variances. He foresaw no need for setback or
31 parking variances in the proposal. This left only total
32 density versus the Ordinance requirements to be con-
33 - sidered;
34 however, he pointed out that the H.R.A. would, of course,
35 want to lock in the site plan and would probably want to
36 formally direct the developer to work with the City on
37 the problems with the neighbors .
38 H.R.A. Action
39 : Motion by Marks , seconded by Ranallo to authorize staff : to first
40. negotiate a Redevelopers Agreement : with the Gaughan. . Company .to
41 construct the : final. . phases of: the.:Kenzie Terrace Redevelopment
2 Project and, if for -some- reason such an agreement can'.t, be worked
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.1 out with them, to authorize. the•:,team composed. of: Childs, . Krier., � and +.. -
2 So.th-- to attempt to get an. agreement with Lang-Nelson..
3 Motion carried unanimously.
4 After-' the motion =had been passed, Mr. Soth indicated he guessed it
.5 would now be OK for him -to.-tell- the H.R .A. that the selection , team
6 had come to the same decision regarding the Gaughan Company -because
7 even though they had perceived both developers had "really...terrific
8 projects" , for some reason . Gaughan seemed - to have the edge with
9 them, too.
10 He -said he had also learned during the , recess . that Alan Hamel' s
11 brother worked for Dorsey & -WM tney which might have. been.
12 difficult if Gaughan weren' t using Barna_ Guzy- et al for their
13 attorneys. .
14 ADJOURNMENT
15 Motion by Marks, seconded by Sundland to adjourn the H.R.A. meeting
16 at 10 : 15 P.M. ,
17 Motion carried unanimously.
18 Respectfully submitted,
19 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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