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City of St. Anthony
® Planning Commission Agenda
August 16, 1988
7: 30 P.M.
1 . Call to Order.
2 . Roll Call.
3 . Minutes of Commission Meeting of July 19, 1988
4. Designate Commission Representative to August 23 Council
Meeting
5. Request from-Lang/Nelson for P.U.D. Approval for Phase 3 of
the Kenzie Terrace Redevelopment Project
6. Request for Sign Variance for TA's Restaurant (Formerly Mr.
-Ild3i0's)
7. Request for Conditional Use .Approval and a Sign Variance for
a Burger King to be constructed at Apache Plaza
• 8 . Other Business
9. Adjournment
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• C 2 TY O F S T _ ANTHONY
P L ANN=NG C OMM T S S T ON M T NUTS S
JULY 1 9 , 1 9 8 8
1 The meeting was opened at 7 : 30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance led
2 by Chair Wagner.
3 ROLL CALK
4 Present for roll call : London, Franzese, Hansen, .Wagner, Werenicz,
5 Madden.
6 Absent: Brownell.
7 Also present: David Childs, City Manager.
8 JUNE 19 1988 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
9 Motion by Madden, seconded by London to approve with the following
10 changes:
• 11 Page 3 , line 9: Insert space between "Drumm" and "in" .
12 Page 8, line 2: Insert "that" between "recommend" and "the
13 Council" .
14 Page 9, line 13: Substitute "though" for "thought" .
15 Motion carried unanimously.
16 Commissioner London Will Represent Planning Commission at Council's
17 July 26th Meeting
18 PUBLIC HEARINGS
19 Commission United in Recommending Conditional Use Permit for Kuelbs
20 Motorcycle Sales and Accessories Store
21 At 7: 35 P.M. Chair Wagner read the notice of the hearing on the above
22 which had been published in the July 6th Bulletin and sent to all
23 property owners of record within 350 feet of the subject property at
24 2519-21 Harding Street -N.E. No one present reported failure to
25 receive the notice or objected to its content.
26 Commissioners had been provided copies of the Application for
27 Conditional Use Permit submitted by Leo Kuelbs as well as his
28 original application letter and the minutes of the City Council and
29 Planning Commission meetings on the matter.
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1 Staff Report •
2 Mr. Childs reiterated portions of his June 25th memorandum to the
3 Commissioners, including the fact that the Ordinance amending the
4 Zoning Code to allow the use as a permitted conditional use had been
5 given its second reading for adoption July 26th, the same night as
6 the Council will be considering the permit. The City Manager also
7 reiterated that he had received no calls or letters either for or
8 against the permit from the neighboring property owners.
9 Mr. Childs advised the Commissioners that it was now their right and
10 responsibility to attach recommended conditions to the permit. He
11 suggested that the Council tended to look carefully at the impact
12 such an activity might have on the surrounding neighborhood,
13 specifically as to hours of operation, noise, etc.
14 Proponents - Leo and Joe Kuelbs, 8545 Highway 101, Savage, NN
15 Joe Kuelbs:
16 *reiterated that the Kuelbs family had been in the Harley-
17 Davidson business for 15 years during which time they have had stores
18 in two communities and had "no problems with previous dealerships" ,
19 as indicated in their June 15th letter;
20 *told Chair Wagner their current shop in Savage is locat�
21 within an eighth of a mile of at least 50 homes as well as
22 campground and there have been no problems whatsoever with any of the
23 residents;
24 *reported the City of Savage has placed no restrictions on
25 their operations and they anticipate keeping the same hours of
26 operation in St. Anthony as for their Savage dealership;
27 *indicated he would probably be advising customers through
28 maps on the flyers and in the Yellow Pages to approach his business
29 from Highway 88 rather than Kenzie Terrace;
30 *said demonstration rides can only be given during seasons when
31 the weather is good. Because of the restrictions they place on the
32 riders for their own protection, he would anticipate only between 50
33 and 100 test rides to be allowed in any single year;
34 *reported that state law forbids selling licensable vehicles on
35 Sunday . so they aren't open that day;
36 *told Commissioner Franzese the proposed St. Anthony space is
37 only half the size of their Savage operation and this dealership
38 would probably not have as many customers. However, he would expect
39 to see about a hundred people go through the store on a busy day,
40 only half of whom would be coming to the store on a motorcycle; •
2
• 1 *added that noise levels are regulated by the EPA so all new
2 motorcycles (which is primarily what they- sell) are very quiet;
3 *didn't deny that there could be motorcycles with loud,
4 defective muf f lers just as there are cars; or that there might be a
5 few of them who would be serviced in St. Anthony;
6 *expects to put a neon face type sign Harley Davidson puts out
7 which will be about 16 feet long and 2 or 3 feet high and would be
8 lit during the hours of operation, which Mr.' Childs has said would be
9 well within the City sign ordinance;
10 *would also want to have some type of security light at night;
it *told the Chair the primary services they would offer at this
12 location. would be setting up and servicing of new motorcycles and
13 minor tuning up of new and used cycles;
14 *there would be minimum of repair of exhaust systems with all
15 major repair work done in the Savage shop;
16 *assured Commissioner London that there would be no outside
17 repair or storage of vehicles.
18 There was no one present to speak for or against the permit and the
19 Chair closed the hearing at 7:52 P.M. after Mr. Childs had .cautioned
20 the Commissioners that it would not be appropriate for the City to
.21 mandate traffic across other businesses' property.
22 Commission R VA=endation
23 Motion by Franzese, seconded by Madden to recommend the City Council
24 grant a Conditional Use Permit to Leo and Joe Kuelbs, - Twin City
25 Harley-Davidson, for a motorcycle sales and accessory shop at 2519-21
26 Harding Street N.E. , which is not to include major repair services.
27 In recommending that this permit be granted, the Commission also
28 recommends the permit be made contingent upon annual review by staff
29 on the basis of excessive- complaints about the operation.
30 The Commission recommends further that the business be required to:
31 1. maintain the same hours of operation as their Savage shop,
32 namely:
33 9:00 A.M. to 8 :00 P.M. , Monday through Thursday and 9:00 A.M.
34 to 5:00 P.M. , Friday and Saturday;
35 2. encourage test drivers to use Highway 88;
36 3 . provide all services and displays within the building with no
37 outside storage;
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1 4. do only setting up and minor repairs at the St. Antho�
2 location with all major jobs done elsewhere.
3 In recommending the permit be granted, the Planning Commission finds
4 that:
5 a. The proposed conditional. use meets all three conditions which
6 have to be satisfied before a conditional use may be authorized.
7 b. No opposition to the permit was registered during the hearing.
8 c. The applicants have been made aware of the City concerns
9 related to access in light of nearby residences.
10 Motion carried unanimously. -
11 Neighbor Opposition Leads to 5 to 1 Vote Against Garage Addition at
12 4029 Penrod Lane
13 At .8:05 P.M._ the Chair read aloud the notice of the hearing on the
14 request from Eugene B. Tomas for a variance from setback requirements - -
15 of the Zoning Ordinance to allow addition of a new garage immediately
16 east of the existing garage on the Silver Lane side of this corner
17 lot. No one present reported failure to receive the notice which had
18 been published in the July 6th Bulletin and sent to all property
19 owners of record within 200 feet of the subject property,. or object
20 to its content.
21 Documentation
22 The agenda packet included copies of the City Manager's July 25th
23 memorandum on the request; the Variance Petition; and three scaled
24 drawings of the proposed 32 foot X 24 foot garage addition; a second
25 story bedroom addition on the existing garage; and a family room
26 which Mr. Tomas said he planned to convert the existing garage to
27 once his boys have grown up and moved away.
28 Staff Report
29 Mr. Childs reiterated the following from his memorandum:
30 *the existing home and garage were constructed by Mr. Tomas in
31 1966 under a variance issued in July of 1966 for a setback of 11
32 feet from the property line on Silver Lane, where the Ordinance
33 requires 30 feet;
34 *the addition would maintain the same alignment with the
35 existing garage and would therefore require the same size variance;
36 *Mr. Tomas had been advised to discuss his proposal with his
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1 neighbors before the hearing and to date staff had received no
• 2 letters or calls from any of them.
3 The City Manager also indicated he had looked up the minutes of the
4 meeting in 1966 where the first variance had been granted but fond
5 only four lines related to the issue. Information about the
6 reasons used by the Commission and Council, for granting the
7 variance were not in those minutes.
8 Proponents - Eugene and Nicole Tomas
9 fir. Tomas told the Commissioners:
10 *he had four sons, all of whom had licenses and cars so he
11 needed more garage space, even though he had never been able to park
12 cars in the existing garage since it had been built;
13 *the plan was to construct the new three car garage which would
14 exit on Silver Lane; put a second floor bedroom on the existing
15 garage this fall for the use of his mother during winter months; and
16 to continue to use the garage, which exits onto Penrod, for that
17 purpose until his sons had moved away from home. He said he then
18 planned to enclose it for a family room;
19 *there's a lot of congestion in the yard now with 7 cars
20 (including the vans used for his plumbing business and a boat) and
21 his mother will have a car to park in the winter;
22 *he preferred adding the new garage to the existing structure
23 but understood he could put a detached garage with a - 30 foot setback
24 in his backyard but thought that would look "kind of ugly" compared
25 to the appearance of an attached garage fit into the rest of the main
26 structure;
27 *he had been forced to cut down the existing garage size to
28 meet the Ordinance requirements in 1966 and the way the house is now
29 with a sliding door on that side, if he continued the garage on the
30 house side, he wouldn't be able to get a large car into his garage..
31 The plan. was therefore designed to come back off the garage and then
32 to encircle the deck two feet before continuing out towards the back;
33 *the third stall would probably only be long enough to use as a
34 "lawn mower stall" ;
35 *he would probably keep the cement slab which runs the length
36 of the existing garage on the Silver Lane side;
37 *he would retain at least a 38 foot setback to the rear with
38 the proposed addition;
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1 *Don Zebro down the block who had put in the original footing
2 would be consulted regarding the adequacies of footings and the dep
3 to frost for putting on a second story and he. knew he would probabl
4 have to double the studs for that addition;
5 *the elevations of Silver Lane would determine the floor height
6 of his new garage.
7 Opponent — Delite B. Hogan, 4024 Penrod Lane (across the street to
8 the southwest of the Tomas house)
9 Ms. Horan told the Commissioners:
10 *from what she had observed, "Mr. Tomas for all intents and
11 purposes, was operating a plumbing business out of his home and
12 still has three vans which are never in the garage because "their
13 business stuff is all in the garage and is loaded every morning;
14 *their cars are all over the driveway and the streets;
-- --- 15 - - __*the neighborhood is losing -its residential- status- because--the
16 people who live to the left of her repair cars and also have cars
17 parked all over;
18 *another neighbor down the line has his business in his home
19 as well;
20 *she had lived there only three years but couldn't believe who
21 is going on there;
22 *she doesn't want to live in a neighborhood like this one and
23 questioned why these activities were allowed;
24 *she believed property values would go down if the City
25 continued to let these businesses operate in a residential area.
26 The complainant told Commissioner Franzese it appeared to her that
27 the Tomas vans were intended for business use. She said cars are
28 brought all the time to the house next door for sanding, painting,
29 etc. which she was certain was not , allowed in a residential
30 neighborhood. When Commissioner -Hansen asked whether she had
31 complained to the City, she told him she was constantly calling about
32 the dogs running loose in the neighborhood and was "tired of
33 calling. " She said the only reason she was at the hearing was
34 because she was worried that with the addition., the Tomas business
35 was going to be expanded.
36 Hans told the complainant the Commission's purpose that evening
37 was not to enforce the Ordinance which forbids running a business
38 out of a home, but only to consider a variance for a garage
39 addition.
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1 Madden disputed this conclusion, saying he certainly thought the
2 implication that Mr. Tomas was running a business out of his garage
3 was certainly relevant to the request for another garage before the
4 Commission that evening.
5 Childs told Ms. Hogan it was very difficult for the City to enforce
6 animal violations and it was therefore imperative to build a case of
7 continued violations. He urged her not to worry about "becoming a
8 pest" but to continue calling.
9 Proponent Rebuttal -
10 Mr. Tomas indicated:
11 . *he had been self-employed in the plumbing business ever since
12 he moved to that neighborhood in 1966;
13 *he does take calls at home and he and his third son, who works
14 for him, do drive their vehicles home every night just the same as
15 any working people do;
16 *he didn't see any difference between himself and a self-
17 employed attorney who takes calls at home and carries a brief case
18 home at -night;
19 *at the present he has no outside help but did have a man
• 20 working for him full time in the past;
21 *Don . Zebro, his neighbor, has a four car garage into which he
22 drives his truck and closes the door and ,, "nobody knows he has a
23 business there" ;
24 *he guessed a third of the people on that street were also
25 self-employed;
26 *no one comes to buy anything from him;
27 *one of the vans which the family uses for camping is utilized
28 on occasion for his wife to go to the supply house and bring whatever
29 he needs on the job to him;
30 *some of the supplies are kept in the garage but most are kept
31 in his van;
32 *it was true that every day a delivery was made to him on the
33 job site but otherwise his equipment stays in the vehicle;
34 *the exception is those materials aren't used up on .a job which
35 are stored in the garage for awhile;
36 *he didn't think the van was loaded and unloaded every day;
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1 *one of the three vans he has now would be eliminated soo
2 because of its appearance.
3 oms denied the new garage addition was related to an expansion of
4 his plumbing business although it was conceivable that he would be
5 doing the loading and unloading in there after it's built. He said
6 primarily he wanted to have room to store his boat which he has had
7 to leave outdoors the last two winters.
8 The applicant said he perceived by parking half of his vehicles on
9 the Silver Lane side he would be relieving Penrod Lane. He
10 admitted it was "a jungle" around his house when there's no parking
11 on the street in the winter, but anticipated most of the congestion
12 would be eliminated when the boys moved away.
13 Childs indicated there might be a problem if vehicles were parked on
14 the proposed Silver Lane cement slab which is in the City's right-
15 of-way because that's where the City crews have to plow snow.
16 Nineteen foot vans would also protrude beyond the 11 foot setback he
17 observed.
18 Tomas responded that there might be more room to park some of the _--
19 vehicles with the new garage addition.
20 Two other persons were present but neither accepted the invitation
21 to speak and the hearing was closed at 8: 35 P.M.
22 connission Reaction
23 London
24 *said he basically opposed the variance because he perceived
25 the neighbor's objections to be legitimate;
26 *indicated he believed Mr. Tomas was running a plumbing
27 business out of his garage and if only the boat were going to be
28 parked in the new garage, the addition would do little to alleviate
29 the problems for the neighbors with the number of cars which would be
30 left sitting outside;
31 *concluded that as long as Mr. Tomas runs a business out of
32 his garage and uses two or three vans for that purpose, he's going to
33 have parking problems;
34 *indicated he had a detached garage himself and didn't
35 necessarily consider them to be either "ugly" or "inconvenient"
36 *said in many ways they are advantageous with their long
37 driveways and in this case Mr. Tomas might be able to store some of
38 his belongings out back where no one cares.
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1 The Commissioner told the other Commissioners the applicant had not
• 2 presented arguments convincing enough to get him to recommend a
3 variance. He said he perceived in cases like this one, the neighbor
4 concerns had to be taken into account because they have a lot of
5 money invested in their homes. Commissioner London didn't think the
6 * City should be encouraging lowering property values by allowing
7 businesses to operate out of homes.
8 Later on, Commissioner London reiterated that it was pretty obvious t
9 him that Mr. Tomas was running his plumbing business out of his home
10 and that fact had to be considered when the Commission made a
it decision. He told the other Commissioners , based on his own
12 experience with a one car garage he had decided a long time ago that
13 he was going to vote affirmatively for any request for a two car
14 garage but he perceived a different issue was involved here where
15 "there were too many people and too many cars" for the site size
16 where he didn't think granting a, variance for another garage would do
17 much to alleviate the problems.
18 Wagner indicated the only reason he was even considering
19 recommending the variance was because he wondered whether a second
20 garage might help the current situation.
21 Hansen indicated he was not opposed to the variance for a number of
22 reasons. He perceived the issue of whether the applicant is running
23 a business out- of his home was not what the Commission was supposed
• 24 to decide. The Commissioner pointed out that they had heard from
25 only one neighbor who lived across the street even though the
26 neighbor to the. east was the most affected.
27 Commissioner Hansen added that Mr. Tomas can build a detached garage
28 without a variance and said, given the lay of the land and the
29 proximity to the neighbors, he wasn't certain the second garage
30 wouldn't be more of, an obstruction in the backyard. He personally
31 believed an attached garage added more continuity to the property
32 than if it were built in the backyard so close the neighbor's.
33 The Commissioner commented that he didn't think Mr. Tomas driving a
34 van he uses for his work home every night was any different than his
35 carrying his brief case out and into his home every day.
36 He argued that by granting the variance for another garage, the City
37 might be getting some vehicles off the street which was the goal of
38 the ordinance the Council recently passed and he "assumed was going
39 to be enforced" . In response to comments about too many cars on the
40 site, Commissioner Hansen indicated he perceived the Commission was
41 trying to make a decision related to the number of cars which can be
42 parked at a residence, which the Council hadn't even been able to
43 come to .grips with when `they passed the ordinance allowing parking
44 only on paved surfaces.
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1 Madden indicated that, although he now knew the ordinance had nothin
2 to say about it, was still concerned about adding ,another curb cut
3 Silver Lane. He said there are only 8 curb cuts in 85 one
4 hundredths of a mile on the south side of that street in St. Anthony,
5 whereas Penrod Lane, which is three tenths of a mile, has 15 curb
6 cuts on the east side, indicating to him that Penrod is a better
7 street to have curb cuts than Silver Lane which is such a high
8 volume traffic street.
9 The Commissioner said he had nothing positive to say about the
10 request and instead perceived the problem to be that Mr. tomas'
11 property was just not large enough to accommodate all the vehicles, a
12 trailer and a boat, and the "various and sundry junk he has laying
13 around there. " Commissioner Madden questioned what use the applicant
14 would make of his new garage if he doesn't use the one he has now
15 for parking cars. He agreed with Commissioner London that the
16 Commission had to take into account the report of a neighbor who is.
17 there every day.
18 Werenicz said he had no strong feelings either way but was leaning
19 towards denial . - -He sympathized with the - neighbor_-but wondered if
20 another garage might not clear up her view of the property. The
21 Commissioner said he was more concerned about the new garage
22 encroaching on the neighbor's property to the east.
23 Commissioner Werenicz indicated he doubted whether the irs
24 question in the application should have been answered in t
25 affirmative because he could see no "undue hardship" but rather "
26 inconvenience" would result "should the ordinance be strictly
27 enforced. "
28 WaW er agreed, .saying he personally had some reservations about
29 whether any of the three questions deserved an affirmative answer.
30 He said his only reason for considering a recommendation for
31 granting the variance would be that it: might help. to decrease the
32 number of vehicles in the yard.
33 Franzese reiterated that she .-thought a wrap around garage might add
34 to the appearance of this property more than .a detached garage. She
35 reported another house with two garages in her own neighborhood which
36 looked very good. However, she also wondered whether three more
37 stalls would do much to alleviate the problem since the applicant had
38 testified he didn't use the existing garage to park any of the
39 vehicles which are all over the lot now.
40 The Commissioner said she had three children driving and another
41 about to drive and could sympathize with Mr. Tomas's situation, but
42 at the same time she had always been aware of her neighbor's rights
43 and had tried not to be a nuisance.
44 Hansen reiterated that the Commission was not considering a
45 conditional use permit with this request and said he didn't consid�
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1 it was up to the Commission to decide how this garage was going to be
• 2 used anymore than any other garage in St. Anthony. Based on the
3 -request from this individual , Commissioner Hansen didn't believe the
4 neighbor's comments should impact on the Commission's decision. He
5 repeated that the City had an ordinance which should be enforced if
6-there's actually a business being run out of this property. He
7 indicated he had drive past the house four times himself and never
8 seen the number of vehicles other Commissioners reported seeing
9 parked there. Because he hadn't seen any, Commissioner Hansen said
10 he had to assume "somebody was doing a good job keeping all those
11 vehicles from. blocking traffic or from parking on the grass. "
12 The Commissioner concluded that if this individual was willing to
13 spend money in an attempt to alleviate his problems "and since this
14 is only an extension of a use the City granted a variance for' 22
15 years ago" , he was ready to recommend that the variance be granted.
16 commission Recommendation
17 Motion by Hansen, seconded by Werenicz to recommend the City Council
18 grant the request from Eugene B. Tomas for a variance from the
19 setback requirements of the Zoning Ordinance to allow a 32 foot X 24
20 foot addition to the east side of the existing garage at 4029 Penrod
21 Lane, in alignment with the existing garage. The variance would
2.2 allow an 11 foot setback from the Silver Lane property line where the
23 ordinance requires 30 ' feet.
• 24 In recommending the variance be granted, the Commission finds that:
25 1 . The three conditions required by statute to be satisfied
26 affirmatively are met in terms of what the City normally accepts.
27 2. The variance seems logical in light of recent ordinance changes
28 designed to discourage outdoor parking.
29 3 . The proposed variance is merely an extension of the one
30 granted for the property when it was first built in 1966.
31 4. Were the City to deny the variance, the homeowner could still
32 build a detached garage which might, in fact, be less desirable, for
33 the neighbors.
34 5. Although one neighbor spoke against the variance, it was
35 because she thought a business was being run out of the home which is
36 a separate issue from the variance.
37 Voting on the Notion:
38 Aye: Hansen.
39 Nay: London, Franzese, Wagner, Madden, Werenicz.
40 Motion not carried.
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1 The Chair commented that he perceived the Commission recommendatio,
2 had to be for denial since the above had been so clearly defeated.
3 Franzese told Commissioner Hansen that "without all the qualifiers
4 you put on the motion, I could have voted for the variance because I
5 agreed that it was just an extension of the one the City granted in
6 1966 and the addition wouldn't change the existing building
7 alignment.
8 Nagger and Werenicz indicated they continued to have problems with
9 the answers on the application.
10 Auplication Withdrawn
11 Mr. Tomas stated that he was just going to apply for a building
12 permit for a detached garage and he hoped "the Commission would be
13 happy with all those vehicles parked on the street and around the
14 yard. " The Chair advised him that sometimes the Council reverses the
15 Commission recommendation. The applicant left muttering some
1-6 uncomplimentary phrases -about his--neighbor-.
17 011M BUSINESS
18 Commissioners Invited to Attend Carbon Filtration Dedication
19 Mr. Childs indicated they would all be welcome to attend the ceremo
20 at the site at 6:00 P.M. , July 26 , 1988 , where the City's "Cle
21 Water" would be toasted with that beverage instead of champagne.
22 New Operators to Remove the Controversial Roof Sign on Mickey D's
23 Restaurant
24 The Manager reported the new proprietor had told him he wanted to
25 keep the name because of its customer perception about good food
26 being served there. In addition to removing the controversial sign
27 from the roof, Mr. Childs indicated the new restaurant owner was
28 going to apply for two signs, one in the front and the other on the
29 side facing St. . Anthony Boulevard, the total of which would not
30 exceed what the City allowed. that building. However, he would be
31 willing to keep only the front sign if that was the City's decision.
32 Apartment Project and Transfer of Parkview Appear to be Realities
33 Before the meeting adjourned, the City Manager gave a brief report
34 on what was happening in conjunction with both projects. He said he
35 expects Lang-Nelson to be named the developer for the third phase of
36 the Kenzie Terrace Redevelopment Project at the next Council meeting
37 and anticipates the closing on the Parkview building to be held the
38 first week in August unless more environmental problems crop up to
39 make that purchase unfeasible.
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1 ADJOIJRIIIdffiiT
• 2 Motion by Madden, seconded by Wagner to adjourn the meeting at 9: 35
3 P.M.
4 Motion carried unaniaously.
5 Respectfully submitted,
6 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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August 12, 1988
• To: Members of the Planning Commission
From: David M. Childs, City Manager
Re: 88-18 Request from Lang/Nelson Companies for amendment to
the Development Concept Plan and Detail Plan for the third phase
of the Kenzie Terrace Redevelopment Project.
As you will note from the legal advertisement, the general
concept approved by the City Planning Commission and the City
Council last fall for the Gaughan Companies has changed very
little. There were some minor changes like going from two large
buildings to three buildings (one large and two smaller) and by
increasing the individual unit size, requiring that more land be
acquired by the H.R.A. . The additional parcel to be acquired is
a small part of the parking lot of the Town and Country Foods
Store. Fortunately, their property extends well beyond what they
realized that they owned, so the spaces that they currently
stripe and maintain will be disturbed very little.
Lang/Nelson will be present at the meeting to explain their
development proposal, and I am sure that you will find that it
improves upon the concept previously given by the Gaughan
Companies. Please call me if you have any questions about this
proposal, and keep hoping that they can get their financing in
the next 30 days or so.
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday, August
16, 1988 at 7: 35 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the City Hall,
3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the following
purposes:
To consider a request from Lang-Nelson for approval of a
revised Development Concept Plan and Detail Plan approval
under the P.U.D. (Planned Unit Development) section of the
City Zoning •Ordinance to allow construction of three
buildings of three stories each over underground parking on
the site currently occupied by the St. Anthony Village
Shopping Center, generally the 2500-2600 block of Kenzie
Terrace N.E. Said buildings will consist of two apartment
buildings, one with 48 units and one with 57 units to be for
seniors only and the third building to be 96 units of high
quality general rental. This proposal does not include any
plan for rental subsidies.
The following items are included in the proposal :
• *parking, 206 underground, 153 surface
*ponding for aesthetic and storm .drainage purposes
*mostly brick exterior, except balconies, etc.
*pitched rather than flat roof design
*all vehicle access will be from. Kenzie
*landscaping, vegetation, and bermed screening will be
provided.
This proposal differs from the previously approved plan generally
due to the split of the previously proposed 100 unit senior
building into two, smaller senior buildings. Also included is an
enlargement of the individual units by about 100 square feet each
and the inclusion of a small parcel of property associated with
the Town and Country Foods parcel to the east. The basic
development concept remains unchanged, but due to these minor
design adjustments, an amendment to the P.U.D. is required.
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at said time and place. Questions regarding this
matter may be referred to the City Manager, 789-8881.
David M. Childs
City Manager
Publish: Bulletin, August 3 , 1988
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MAILING LIST - ST. ANTHONY SHOPPING CENTER PUD 8/88
Gordon Culhane Gary Zahrbock Joseph Schlunder
2700-27th Avenue N.E. 2704-27th Avenue N.E. 2708-27th Avenue N.E.
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
E. M. Lantto Palmer Gunderson Bona Properties
2712-27th Avenue N.E. 2800-27th Avenue N.E. 5236 Horizon Drive
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418 Fridley, MN 55421
Re: 2801 Kenzie Terrace
Eberhardt Osborne Properties Eugene Metzer
3250 W. 66th 523 S. 8th Street 4120 Zane Avenue N.
Minneapolis, MN 55440 Minneapolis, MN 55404 Robbinsdale, MN 55422
Re: 2550 Hwy. 8 Re: 2550 Hwy. 8
Walker Methodist St. Anthony Bowling. Lanes Dick's Union 76
3737 Bryant Avenue S. 26454 Kenzie Terrace 2700 Kenzie Terrace
Minneapolis, MN 55409 St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
R. J. Ruppert Associates
St. Anthony Village Shopping 1700 W. 78th St. , #100 St. Anthony National Bank
Center Minneapolis, MN 55423 2401 Lowry Avenue N.E.
25 .University Avenue S.E. St. Anthony, MN 55418
Minneapolis, MN 55414. Re: 2500 Kenzie Terrace
Dowry Grove, Inc. - Glen Gavic Arthur Tombarge
2501 Lowry Avenue N.E. 2605 Lowry Avenue N.E. 2609 Lowry Avenue n.E.
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
John Sullivan
2005-22nd Avenue N.E. Carol Hickerson Maurice Gallant
Minneapolis, MN 55418 2617 Lowry Avenue N.E. 2621 Lowry Avenue N.E. -
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
Re: 2613 Lowry Ave. N.E.
Gren Steiner
Violet Lundeen Richard Tollefson 3016 Old Hwy. 8
2538 Kenzie Terrace 1123 N.E. Monroe Street St. Anthony, .MN 55418
St. Anthony, MN 55418 Minneapolis, MN 55413
Re: 2534 Kenzie Terrace
Lloyd Helm William Wojcik Northgate Office Park
2546 Kenzie Terrace 2548 Kenzie Terrace 2526 Highway 8
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
St. Anthony Development Co. Gustafson & Tyson Councilmember Walter Diiedzic
K/o Sann &Howe META Partnership City of Minneapolis
00 Park Avenue 7400 Metro Boulevard, #411 350 S. 5th Street
New York, MN 10017 Edina, MN 55435 Minneapolis, MN 55415
St. Anthony Bulletin William Soth Lang-Nelson
909 - 7th Avenue N.W. Dorsey & Whitney 4601 Excelsior Boulevard
New Brighton, MN 55112 2200 First Bank Place East St. Louis Park, MN 55416
Minneapolis, MN 55402 Attention: Paul Brewer
60 Kenzington Residents
�to be hand delivered
i
August 12, 1988
To: Members of the Planning Commission
From: David M. Childs, City Manager
Re: 88-17 Request for Sign Variance, TA's Restaurant (formerly
Mr. Hobo)
This is a request from Thomas J. Aulwes for a variance from the
sign regulations of the City Code to allow a second wall sign on
the east side of the building at 2905 Kenzie Terrace. The
ordinance allows one wall sign of up to 100 square feet at this
location. The applicant proposes two signs of 56 square feet
each for a total of 112 square feet of signage. The applicant
also agrees to remove the roof sign which has been grandfathered.
from the past owners. The exchange of a smaller wall sign for
the removal of the roof sign is certainly a good compromise from
my point of view. A variance for a second sign on a corner lot
has previously been allowed and in this case, the applicant
really has three street frontages. I recommend approval of the
variance.
•
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
SIGN VARIANCE
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday, August
16, 1988 at 7 : 45 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the City Hall ,
3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the following
purpose:
Consideration of a request from Thomas J. Aulwes for
a variance from the sign regulations of the City Code
to allow a 56 square foot ( 28 feet X 2 feet) on the
east side of the existing restaurant at 2905 Kenzie
Terrace (formerly Mr. Hobo) . The sign code allows one
sign of up to .100 square feet per business. A variance
is requested because the, proposed sign would be a second
sign and would bring total .signage to 112 square feet. The
applicant also proposes to remove the. large 8 foot X 8 foot
roof sign from the building.
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at said time and place. Questions regarding. this
matter may referred to the City Manager, 789-8881 .
David M. Childs
City Manager
Bulletin: August 3 , 1988
•
Or-
Date: .�
Fee: $25.00 •
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
PETITION FOR SIGN VARIANCE
5
Applicant: x/� T. U Phone: 75; /S
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Address: Q� Levi r-,E- /en �c c e S7 ,a,�i1��
Status of applicant ewne , buyer, renter, agent, etc. ) :
Legal description of property petitioned for variance: �P;?g�•,^�.,,�
Street 'Address:
Zoning district in which property is located: � ��„ �Ui�'FTV"fC:I�'
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Minnesota Statutes and City Ordinances require that he following
conditions must be satisfied affirmatively. If the answer to a
statement is Yes , please explain, using additional sheets.
Yes No
1 . The granting of the variance will not be detri-
mental to the public welfare or injurious to
other property in the neighborhood or village;
2 . A particular hardship to the applicant would re-
sult if the strict letter of the regulations
are adhered to; or
3 . The conditions upon which the application for a
variance is based are unique to the parcel of
land for which the variance is sought and are
not applicable, generally, to other property
within the same land-use classification.
Signature of Applicant:
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MAILING LIST - 2905 KENZIE TERRACE 7/88
loberhardt Roger Bona
3250 W. 66th 5236 Horizon Drive
Minneapolis, MN 55440 Fridley, MN 55432
Re: 2812-27th Avenue N.E.
Good Luck Cafe J.. R. Blackfelner John Jadinak
2700 Coolidge 2808 Pahl 2805-27th Avenue N:E.
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
Lawrence Osborne Elko Perchyshyn
2900 St. Anthony Boulevard 2817 Pahl
St. Anthony, MN 55418 St. Anthony, MN 55418
•
August 12, 1988
• To: Members of the Planning Commission
From: David M. Childs, City Manager
Re: 88-19 Request from C.G. Rein Co. for a Conditional Use
Permit and Sign Variance to allow the construction of a Burger
King at Apache Plaza.
Because Apache Plaza is within 250 feet of a residential area, a
conditional use permit is required for a restaurant. The issue
of hours of operation was previously handled by the City when
restaurants were required to be closed from 1:00 A.M. to 6:00
A.M. . Other issues regarding traffic flow, etc. should be
addressed in the Commission's review. The relevant parking,
height, setback and other requirements are met by this
application. The real issue is the request for a free-standing
sign on Silver Lake Road. The applicant proposes 165.75 square
feet of signage where only 150 square feet are allowed. They
also hope to have a total of three signs including the proposed
free standing sign. The fact that their setback from Silver Lake .
Road is over 400 feet seems to give a good case for: vaxi�ance.
The size of the freestanding sign could be reduced to--. 6 feet by 6
fee't...and reduce the total signage requested by 56 sire feet;
I do not see any argument that requires the freestanding sign to
• be as large as they. request. I would expect that there is solpe
very comfortable middle ground that- could be found regargio' this
.:issue..
•
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
CONDITIONAL USE
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will ' be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday, August
16 , 1988 at 8: 15 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the City Hall ,
3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the following
purpose:..
Consideration of a request from C. G. Rein Co. for
conditional use approval in a "C" Commercial Zone of a
free standing Burger King restaurant to be located in
the north end of the Apache Plaza property at 39th and
Silver Lake Road. The building formerly occupied by
• Apache Sports and Health Club will be demolished and the
proposed restaurant will be constructed in that location.
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at said time and place. Questions regarding this
matter may be referred to the City Manager, 789 78881 .
David M. Childs
city Manager
Bulletin: August 3 , 1988
ua Le 2$LOOP
Fee: 100 . 00
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
Application for Conditional Use Permit •
(other than day care center)
C.G. REIN CO. 455-7100
Applicant Phone
Address aaa gihlesv Memorial Highway, qt-- Paul , MN 55113-3698
Status of applicant (owner, buyer, renter, agent, etc. ) Chunar
Legal description of property in question T.ntG 2, 3 9 5, Rlnnk 1 , and
Outlot E, Apache Plaza
Street Address 37th AvPnnp MR and Silver T.akP Road
Zoning district in which property is located "r" r_-neral commPrrial
Conditional use proposed RurgQr King rpstaurAnt wi th drive-up window located
within 250' of a residential zone.
Minnesota statutes and City ordinances require that the following conditions
be satisfied before a conditional use may be authorized :
Yes No•
1. The proposed conditional use is one of the conditional
uses specifically listed for the zoning district in
which it is to be located. X
2 . The proposed conditional use will not be detrimental to
the health, safety or general welfare of persons resid-
ing or working in the vicinity or injurious to property
values or improvements in the vicinity . X
3. The proposed conditional use is necessary or desirable
at the above location to provide a service or a
facility which is in the interest of public conveni-
ence and will contribute to the general welfare of the
neighborhood or community. X
Explain :
An existing vacant building will be removed and replaced with a new
convenience food facility.
(use additional sheets if necessary)
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08 - 01 - 80A * 100 . 00 "K
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
NOTICE OF HEARING
SIGN VARIANCE
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a public hearing by the
Planning Commission of the City of St. Anthony on Tuesday, August
16, 1988 at 8: 00 P.M. in the Council Chambers of the City Hall ,
3301 Silver Lake Road (enter northeast corner) for the following
purpose:
Consideration of a request from C. G. Rein Co. for a
variance from the sign regulations of the City Code to
allow the following signs on a proposed restaurant to
be located on the north end of the Apache Plaza pro-
perty at 39th and Silver Lake Road.
i. A 4 foot X 4 foot (16 square feet) Burger King
logo to be mounted on the south side of the
proposed building.
2. An 18 inch X 14 feet 6 inch (21 .75' square feet)
wall sign on the east side of the proposed
• building.
3 . An 8 foot X 8 foot ( 128 square feet) monument
sign located adjacent to Silver Lake Road at the
north entrance to Apache Plaza.
Total request is for 3 signs totalling 165. 75 square feet
where the sign code would allow only one sign of 150 square
feet.
Anyone wishing to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at said time and place. Questions regarding this
matter may be referred to the City Manager, 789-8881.
David M. Childs
City Manager
Bulletin: August 3 , 1988
Date: 7/28/88
Fee: $25 . 00 •
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
PETITION FOR SIGN VARIANCE
Applicant: C_r;_ Rein�� Phone: 455-71 no
Address: 949^ Si hl ey M mori al Highway, St Paul , MN 551 1 R-16gR
Status of applicant (owner, buyer, renter, agent, etc. ) :
Legal description of property petitioned for variance: rots .9, 1 A mock
1 and Outlot E, Apache P aza
Street Address: 37th Ave NE and Silver Lake Road
Zoning district in which property is located: °c" General Commercial
Request: Monument sign for Burger King restaurant
---------------------------------------------- -------------------------�
Minnesota Statutes and City Ordinances require that the following
conditions must be satisfied affirmatively. If the answer to a
statement is Yes , please explain, using additional sheets.
Yes No
1. The granting of the variance will not be detri- X _
mental to the public welfare or injurious to
other property in the neighborhood or village;
2 . A particular hardship to the applicant would re- x
sult if the strict letter of the regulations
are adhered to; or
3 . The conditions upon which the application for a' . x
variance is based are unique to the parcel of
land for which the variance is sought and are
not applicable, generally, to other property
within the same land-use classification.
Signature of Applicant.
Signature of Owner ( if other than applicant) :
Ob - 01 - SoA * 25 . 00 [K
• PETITION FOR SIGN VARIANCE
The existing health club building is beyond repair. Code requirements make
a remodeling unfeasible.
A new convenience restaurant is proposed to take its place, providing a food
service facility to the community and introducing much-needed landscaping into the
large parking area.
Because of a 450'setback from Silver Lake Road, the building signage visibility
is poor. We are requesting a variance for a small monument sign along Silver Lake Road
to identify the restaurant.
•
MAILING LIST FOR C. G. REIN (PROPOSED BURGER KING) 8/88.-
Sentinel Management
5151 Edina Industrial Blvd. Hardees Apache Mobil Service
Minneapolis, MN 55435 4004 Silver Lake Road 4000 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Re: Equinox Apartments •
J. T. Vargas Cadwallader Realty TCF Savings & Banking
3909 Silver Lake Road 3901 Silver Lake Road 3899 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Judy Scott Edward Micek Margaret Bevan
3911 Silver Lake Road 3912 Silver Lake Road 3915 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Elmer Dick Ruby Kallestad Ruth Holien
3917 Silver Lake Road 3919 Silver Lake Road 3921 Silver' Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Valerie Johnson Bernice Pehling Leo Donahue
3923 Silver Lake Road 3925 Silver Lake Road 3927 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. 'Anthony, MN 55421
Dale E. Siegrist Adeline Stroschein Edward Mattson •
3929 Silver Lake Road 3931 Silver Lake Road 3933 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Robert Morgan Leonard Andreasen Gladys Johnson
3935 Silver Lake Road 3937 Silver Lake Road 3939 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
1
Terry Landeen Susan Follett Howard Ekberg
3943 Silver Lake Road 4001 Silver Lake Road 4003 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Chester Krumm Iris M. Baran Robert Spano
4005 Silver Lake Road 4007 Silver Lake Road 4009 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
Anton Olson . Dominic Ardito Joyce Hegstrom
4011 Silver Lake Road 4013 Silver Lake Road 4015 Silver Lake Road
St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421 St. Anthony, MN 55421
• C=TY O F S T . ANTHONY
C 2 TY C OUN C 2 L M=NUTS S
.TULY 1 2 1 9 8 8
1 The meeting opened at 7: 30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance led by
2 Mayor Sundland.
3 Present for roll call : Marks, Ranallo, Sundland, Enrooth, Makowske.
4 Also present: David Childs, City Manager
5 Larry Hamer, Public Works Director
6 JULY 28, 1988 COUNCIL NINMES
7 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to approve with the following
8 changes:
9 Page 1 , line 19: Insert "During the discussion of the above minutes"
10 at the beginning of the sentence.
11 Page 1 , line 21 : Substitute a period for "since" and start a new
12 sentence with "The" .
• 13 Page 5 , line 27: Substitute "one or" for "a" at end of line.
14 Page 5 , line 28: Substitute "two million dollars" for "million or
15 two dollars" .
16 Page 10, line 3 : Correct typo "Councilmembers" .
17 Page 10 , line 14: Substitute 1112th" for 119th" .
18 Notion carried unanimously.
19 LICENSES&ERNITS&ETITIONS
20 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to approve the multiple dwelling
21 registration and grant the following licenses as listed in the July
22 28th Council agenda packet:
23 Multiple Dwelling Registration
24 Apache Manor Limited Partnership, 3817 Macalaster Drive
25 Contractors
26 Richard Hastings Company
27 G. E. Sanders
28 Maertens-Benny Construction Company
29 Gary Jansick, dba Jansick
• 1
f
1 Heating
2 All Season Comfort, Inc. •
3 Motion-carried unanimously.
4 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Enrooth to grant a temporary 3 . 2 beer
5 and wine permit for the annual St. Charles Borromeo steak fry and
6 dance to be held in the school September 10, 1988 and a temporary 3 . 2
7 beer permit to Dan Reeves, 1202 Jefferson Street N.E. , Minneapolis,
8 for the Scalise family reunion- to be held in the Central Park
9 pavilion, Sunday, July 31st.
10 Voting on the motion:
it Aye: Ranallo, Enrooth, . Sundland, Makowske.
12 Nay: Marks.
13 Motion carried.
14 ChAIMS
15 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of all
16 accounts payable listed for June 30, 1988 in the July 12th agenda
17 packet with clarification that Check #01980 represented an insurance
18 premium paid to the League of Minnesota Trust.
19 Notion carried
20 There was a brief discussion with Mr. Hamer related to work to be
.21 completed on the St. Anthony Boulevard Reconstruction Project before
22 the following payments he had recommended be made were moved:
23 Motion by Marks, seconded by Ranallo to approve payment of
24 $174 , 224. 12 to Ashbach Construction Co. for the St. Anthony Boulevard
25 project and to approve a 5% retainage to cover the cost of filling in
26 the dirt as well as withholding the cost of sodding in the fall from
27 the final payment to the contractors.
28 Motion carried unanimously.
29 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $64 ,806.00
30 to Collins Electric for installation of the Kenzie Terrace pedestrian
31 signal as per recommendation of Public Works Director Hamer. This
32 amount includes a $650 . 00 change order to comply with the request
33 from Hennepin County related to the provision of an additional hand
34 hole on the equipment and allows for a 5% retainage.
35 Motion carried unanimously.
36 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to - approve the payment of
37 $1 ,045.00 to Layne Minnesota for labor and equipment costs incurred
2 •
1 in connection with the modifications to Well #5. These were
2 additional costs to the $13 ,600. 00 previously paid for the angle
3 drive and 150 hp motor.
4 Motion carried unanimously.
5 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to approve the following
6 payments to Rieke-Carroll-Muller Associates for engineering services
7 through June on St. Anthony projects:
8 $3 , 215. 24 - temporary carbon filtration system;
9 $400 .00 - Kenzie Terrace pedestrian signals;
10 $1 , 080. 95 - sanitary sewer study.
it Motion carried unanimously.
12 Motion by Marks, seconded by Ranallo to approve payment of $2 ,000 .00
13 to Moody's Investors Service for , professional rating services in
14 conjunction with the sale of $875,000.00 General Obligation-Revenue
15 Water System Bonds for the carbon filtration system being installed
16 on the City wells.
17 Lotion carried unanimously.
18 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $2,554 .66
19 to the Dorsey & Whitney law firm for legal services during May, 1988.
20 Motion carried unanimously.
21 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Makowske to approve payment of
22 $2 ,400. 00 to the Hance & LeVahn law firm for legal services rendered
23 during July, 1988 , relative to St. Anthony prosecutions.
24 Motion carried unanimously.
25 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $9,000.00
-26 to Stuart J. Bonniwell , CPA, for progress billing for the examination
27 of the City financial statements for the year which ended December
28 31, 1987, with $6,000 to be allocated from the General Fund and
29 $3 ,000 to be allocated from the Liquor Fund.
30 Motion carried unanimously.
31 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of $4 ,423. 39
32 to the Briggs and Morgan law firm for legal services rendered in
33 conjunction with the 'City's law suit against the U.S. Army et al
34 .relative to St. Anthony's water contamination problems.
35 Motion carried unanimously.
36 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of
37 $1 , 265. 49 to Short-Elliott-Hendrickson, Inc. for engineering services
3
1 during April and May, 1988 , related to the replacement of the Foss
2 Road Sanitary Sewer lift station.
3 Notion carried unanimously.
4 RROMTED PUBLIC APPEARANCE - KEN GIRARD AND WES HENRY, ST. ANTHONY
5 LIONS
6 Pull Tab Issue Revisited
7 The Lions Club representatives indicated they were present to request
8 the Council reconsider their previous decision not to change the
9 City's Charitable Gambling Ordinance to allow the sale of pull tabs
10 in St. Anthony. Their argument was that the Council's reluctance to
11 make a selection from the many service organizations who had
12 indicated an interest in obtaining such a license might be alleviated
13 somewhat by the possibility that a group of these were considering
14 forming a coalition which would be willing to share equally in the
15 profits from such an enterprise.
16 Girard indicated his organization would be meeting with the St.
17 Anthony Chamber of Commerce President sometime within the next few
18 weeks to discuss the possibility of creating a coalition of
19 organizations interested in having pull tab operations in St.
20 Anthony. He mentioned the Sports Boosters Club as another possible
21 member.
22 The Lions Club President went on to say:
23 *the Lions Club had been in St. Anthony since 1966 and ever
24 since then had contributed as much as they could from available
25 revenues towards City causes, including those supported by some of
26 the organizations which might be joining the coalition;
27 *he personally believed it would be better for the City and
28 those organizations if each club had its own license but he was
29 willing to discuss the possibility of only the coalition applying
30 for a license if, as Mayor Sundland had previously indicated, that
31 might make pull tabs "more palatable' to the rest of the Council ;
32 *the Lions were willing to promise to donate 50% of their net
33 proceeds from pull tab sales back to the area, which would be five
34 times more than the State Charitable Gambling Law required;
35 *it is estimated that 99% of the pull tab sales in the
36 Stonehouse Bar would be made to non-residents but a good portion of
37 the proceeds would remain in the City to support St. Anthony
38 charities;
39 *he saw five likely locations for pull tab licenses - the
40 City's two bars, two bowling alleys, and the Alternative Non-
41 Alcoholic Bar;
4
1 *the legislature had recently put more restrictions on the pull
• 2 tab operations;
3 *he hoped no Councilmember would base his or her vote on
4- personal opposition to gambling but rather would vote on what "could
5 be a good thing for St. Anthony. "
6 H disputed the assumption that St. Anthony couldn't restrict
7 licenses to only City organizations, citing the wording of the New
8 Brighton and Shoreview ordinances to support his contention. He
9 reminded the Council that St. Anthony was the only city in the area
10 which didn't allow pull tabs.
11 The reaction to these remarks were as follows:
12 Childs told the Lions Club representatives the City Attorney had
13 provided the Council with a detailed opinion related to the issues he
14 anticipated the City would have to dead with if the ordinance were
15 changed to allow pull tabs.
16 One of the questions Mr. Soth had raised had been whether the City
17 could constitutionally refuse licenses to not only City applicants
18 but also those from outside the City as well. In regard to writing
19 an ordinance, Mr. Childs said he would show Mr. Soth the Columbia
20 Heights and New Brighton ordinances and seek further clarification
21 regarding the discrepancies in opinion. He said he arid Mr. Soth had
0 22 previously talked about an ordinance which would limit the sale of
23 pull tabs to places which sold liquor. This was based on previous
24 conversations related to a possible Bingo operation where the
25 Council had seemed to have some concerns about the ages of the
26 persons who would be exposed to such operations. The Manager also
27 mentioned that it was his understanding that, even if the City could
28 limit the number of locations where pull tabs could be sold, there
29 might be a problem restricting the licenses for each location.
30 Sundland indicated a coalition might or might not help to change the
31 previous majority opposition to pull tabs on the Council. He said he
32 personally had no objections to pull tabs and would be willing to put
33 the ordinance change up for a Council vote either that night or
34 during a . future Council meeting after the Lions have met with the
35 Chamber of Commerce.
36 Ranallo said he had nothing against pull tabs per se but still had
37 concerns about their regulation and whether licenses to operate pull
38 tabs games could be limited to only City organizations. He also
39 reminded the proponents that there might be an adverse public
40 reaction to pull tabs once the ordinance is given its first reading.
41 He recalled that it might have been the advocating of the sale of
42 pull tabs to help out the school district which had caused the defeat
43 of one of the school board candidates in the recent election. The
44 Councilmember also pointed out that one 'of the first organizations to
• 5
1 ask for a pull tab license had been the City firefighters, who
2 wanted to set up the operation in the Stonehouse Bar for the benefit
3 of their members. This would seem to indicate a difficult task for•
4 the Council to decide who would get one of a limited number of
5 licenses.
6 Marks indicated he would still never vote to allow pull tabs in St.
7 Anthony.
8 Makowske told the Lions she had "really grappled" with this issue.
9. She said she had no problems with pull tabs themselves, but was
10 beginning to believe that pull tabs and lotteries might be starting
11 to "eliminate social consciences" and people might be substituting
12 gambling for giving directly to good causes. The Councilmember
13 indicated that at the same time she was having these reservations,
14 she had to acknowledge that, as pointed out in the last
15 Northeaster, there had been more than $750,000. 00 in pull tab profits
16 which had been plowed back into the area charities.
17 $nrooth commented that he perceived the need for funding such City
18 projects as the music pavilion, the City float, or major park
19 renovations might change some Council minds, but he agreed there were
20 still legal aspects of the issue which required further
21 clarification.
22 The matter was laid over a month for a further report from the Lions
23 on their meeting with the Chamber of Commerce and for further.
24 clarifications. of the legalities involved in changing the ordinance..
25 REPORTS
26 COUNCIL
27 Study Shows No Defect in City Water Pressure System on 32nd and 33rd
28 Avenues
29 Sundland explained that the survey of the system reported in Larry
30 Hamer's July 12th memorandum, which was distributed before the
31 meeting, had been taken at his request after he had received a call
32 from a resident on 33rd Avenue N.E. complaining that the "City
33 wasn't delivering adequate water pressure. " The complainant had said
34 it took his wife 20 minutes in the morning to fill the dishpan.
35 Mr. Hamer reported:
36 *he had surveyed the water line on which the City had installed
37 a special system of pressure boosters to raise the water pressure for
38 a small pocket of homes on that line;
39 *the line runs along 33rd Avenue N.E. to the west side of
40 Rankin Road and back along 32nd Avenue N.E. to Silver Lake Road;
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1 *the Public Works Department approached nine homes regarding
2 their water pressure, seven of which have had no complaints;
• 3 *his men were unable to get into the two homes where pressure
4 problems were indicated to ascertain whether the problems might be
5 -internally caused by an older water softener or heater or a loose
6 valve;
7 *indicated the basis for these suspicions was the fact that the
8 homes next door did not have pressure irregularities.
9 The Public Works Director explained further that:
10 *a pressure gauge had been installed the previous day on the
11 house at 3312 - 33rd Avenue N.E. which is one house away from
12 complainant's and after a full day of monitoring the lowest pressure
13 registered all day was 38 pounds at 9:00 P.M: ;
14 *this booster system has three individual pumps which operate
15 in sequence in response to demand for pressure;
16 *the first pump pressure goes up to 90 pounds and down to
17 approximately 65 pounds when the second pump is activated. The
18 third pump maintains a constant pressure level and is activated when
19 the second pump pressure requires;
20 *some of the two story houses on Hilldale are bound to have
21 problems on the second floor with 32 pound PSI pressure release on
22 32nd and Silver Lake Road, but if that happens, an automatic line
23 pressure valve, which connects with the regular water line system
.24 opens up and that line system takes over;
25 *the survey shows that the system is working "very efficiently
26 and effectively" and in just the manner for which it was designed.
27 Most Problems Caused by Sprinkling
28 Mr. Sarver indicated the pressure is naturally going to go down all
29 over the City during sprinkling periods from 3 :00 P.M. to 11:00 P.M.
30 and the booster system in this area is no more able to keep up than
31 the elevated tower system which serves the rest of the City. The
32 only thing the City could do to prevent water pressure going down
33 while people are sprinkling would be to ban sprinkling altogether
34 which he perceives would be pretty drastic for just a few homes
35 whose problems probably aren't caused by the extra demand on the
36 system.
37 The Public Works Director said because his men had been unable to
38 get into the two homes with low pressure problems, he was going to
39 write to those homeowners to see if they wanted his department to
40 make an internal inspection to try to find what was causing their low
41 pressure. He told Councilmember Enrooth that one alternative would
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1 be for some homeowners to install their own pressure booster pumps
2 next to their water meters.
3 Mr. Hamer concluded his report by telling the Councilmembers his
4 department had always followed "policy of responding to any resident
5-report of trouble as soon as humanly possible, except, of course, on
6 weekends and holidays when they aren't working."
7 Childs said he personally knew the Public Works Department made a
8 practice of responding within two hours if possible, to any call they
9 received- However, they were unable to do so this time because
10 neither of the two callers who called to report a problem was willing
11 to identify themselves or an address to which a response could be
12 made.
13 Smooth said he perceived the City equipment was performing exactly
14 as it was designed and the variables were basically the consumption
15 and number of people who might use the water line at any time. He
16 viewed the problem as a temporary one which was associated with
17 increased water usage during the summer months which always resolved
18 itself come fall .
19 Sundland indicated he perceived the survey which he had requested
20 had not been a non-productive exercise, because it provided the
21 Councilmembers with information they might not have otherwise had on
22 how the system works. He said he intended to give a copy of the
23 survey to the complainant telling him the Council perceived no
24 problems to justify spending a thousand or more dollars to have ang
25 outside engineer tell them exactly the same thing.
26 Marks said he thought the Public Works Department should be commended
27 for their correct attitude of wanting to help residents who are
28 having problems. He also said he personally believed in a year like
29 this one all communities should probably be putting more restrictions
30 on sprinkling so as not to lower the aquifer any farther than
31 absolutely necessary.
32 There was wholehearted support of Mr. Hamer's recommendations on the
33 matter. Mr. Hamer's survey will be kept at City Hall for review by
34 any interested parties.
35 Makowske Issues Invitation to Attend RCLLG Picnic and Tour of Como
36 Park, July 20th
37 The Councilmember indicated she would not be able to attend the
38 Ramsey County League of Local Governments meeting on July 20th.
39 Councilmember Enrooth said he thought he could make it and would make
40 the reservation requested in the notice.
41 Enrooth Says Recycling Task Force Sees the Reuter Operation as a
42 Viable Method of Getting Rid of City's Garbage
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1 The Councilmember said the St. Anthony Task Force' s tour of the
2 above the previous day had convinced them that only politics
3 prevented this private enterprise from competing with the County's
4 garbage burning plant. He suggested the other Councilmembers would
5 probably be required to educate themselves about this method before
6-they could respond to the recommendation he expected the Task Force
7 to return with, August 9th.
8 The Mayor said Commissioner Sivanich had requested he serve on the
9 County's study commission and he intended to submit, with the
10 Councilmember's consent of course, Councilmember Enrooth's name
11 instead.
12 Marks to Attend the July 14th Meeting of the Youth Service Bureau
13 Board of Directors
14 As Board President , he would be attending -the above, the
15 Councilmember indicated.
16 St Anthony to Observe "National Night Out" . August 9th
17 Mr. Childs had provided in the agenda packet a copy of the
18 Proclamation the Mayor would be signing and explained that the City
19 had missed participating last year in this crime prevention program
20 which has grown nationwide.
21 Council Action
• 22 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by marks to authorize the observance of
23 '!National Night Out" in St. Anthony, August 9th..
24 Lotion carried unanimously.
25 DEPARTMENT AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
26 Hance & LeVahn Report on Matters Conducted at Hennepin County
27 District Court. June 15 , 1988
28 arks reiterated dismay at the number of times the Judge had stayed
29 fines and sentences that day. He asked staff to see if they could
30 find any type of study which supported the effectiveness of this
31 practice. The Councilmember also questioned whether many of the
32 bench warrants resulted in arrests and whether many of those the City
33 prosecuted ever served time in jail .
34 Makowske agreed, saying she also couldn't understand why the charge
35 of marijuana possession had been dropped in one case. She was told
36 the amount of the substance found as well as the fact that lesser
37 charges were probably dropped in favor of the more serious offense
38 for which the defendant was fined $200.00.
39 June 18 . 1988 and Annual Fire Department Reports
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1 Marks indicated he was gratified to see Chief Entner's .comments that
2 the fibrillator machine the Department had purchased had "so far•
3 given six people a second chance at life. "
4 Makowske observed that the number of non-medicals had remained
5 constant while the medical emergencies have more than doubled.
6 Mn.rooth reiterated his perception that the "City was really operating
7 a paramedic service which occasionally fought fires. "
8 Sundland asked Mr. Childs to relay the Council's appreciation of the
9 "fine report Lee Entner had submitted. "
10 June Liquor Operation Sales Summary
11 Ordered filed with no comments.
12 St. Anthony/New Brighton June 21 , 1988 Chemical Committee Minutes
13 Sundland indicated he appreciated receiving the above report before
14 ordering it filed.
15 CITY MANAGER REPORTS
16 July 5 . 1988 Staff Meeting Notes
17 In reference to the list of topics which would be covered in the next
18 Newsletter, Makowske wondered whether an article on the new•
19 playground equipment planned for Central Park would be included. Mr.
20 Childs said he wanted to hold that story over until he had pictures
21 to be included with the story. The Manager indicated photos were
22 the latest improvements in the Newsletter and the July 15th issue
23 would be carrying a photo of the new carbon filtration plant, which
24 should be operational by the end of next week.
25 Many Officials to be Invited to Participate in City's July 26th
26 Celebration of Again Having "Clean, Drinkable Water"
27 Childs anticipated inviting the news media as well as staff and the
28 Councilmembers to participate in the 6: 00 P.M. program to precede the
29 Council meeting that evening. He indicated that even if Well #3
30 wasn't on line that night, water would be run through the carbon
31 filtration system to demonstrate how it operates. The person who
32 helped the City obtain the $150,000 Ramsey County. Community Block
33 Grant funds for the project as well as Commissioner Salverda would
34 be included in the guest list and the City Manager suggested the
35 state and federal agencies people might like to attend to find out
36 how "St. Anthony had managed to get accomplished in four months what
37 none of them had been able to do in six years. " "The Army might also
38 like to come to drink some of our clean water" , Sundland suggested.
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1 Council to Meet with St . Anthony Shopping Center Owners'
2 Representative
• 3 Joe DiSanto had indicated a desire to meet with the Council late in
4 the afternoon, August 1st, to get their feedback on the owners' plans
5 for the center. Sundland reiterated that he would only be interested
6 in hearing about a definite plan to upgrade the center, but agreed
7 this would be an opportunity to meet face to face with Mr. DiSanto
8 and let him know what the City thought should be done to improve the
9 center.
10 Plans and Specifications for Foss Road Lift Station Should be Ready
11 for Council Approval in August
12 Childs reported the above would be available for either the August
13 9th or 23rd Council meeting.
14 Childs Expects Request for More Funding From Northern ' Mayors
15 Association
16 The City Manager indicated the above was what he anticipated to
17 happen as part of the City's 1989 budget process.
18 NEW BUSINESS
19 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to adopt the resolution which
20 authorizes execution of the joint cooperation agreement with Ramsey
• 21 County regarding the C.D.B.G. program.
22 RESOLUTION 88-027
23 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER
24 TO EXECUTE THE JOINT COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN
25 THE CITY AND RAMSEY COUNTY
26 Notion carried unanimously.
27 RCM REPORT ON STORM AND SANITARY SEWER STUDIES FOR SOUTH END
28 Engineers Report Little City Can Do to Prevent Future Flooding
29 Without Requiring Disconnection of Drain Tiles from Sanitary Sewer
30 System
31 The above was the main thrust of the Rieke-Carroll-Muller Associates
32 reports which had been distributed to Councilmembers prior to the
33 meeting.
34 Dale Folen and Bob Robertson, RCM engineers, were present to answer
35 Council questions related to the slide presentation. Anne D.
36 Grassnan, 2608 Murray Avenue N.E. , was the only resident in
37 attendance to hear results of the study, particularly as it related
38 to her own street.
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I Storm Sewer Report - Folen
2 *the engineer's computer modeling indicates St. Anthony's storm•
3 sewer system was designed to handle the flow from a storm which has a
4 50% chance of occurring in a given year without adversely affecting
5 residential property (also referred to as ,a 2 year storm) ;
6 *the focal point of the study turned out to be the exceptions
7 on Murray and St. Anthony Boulevard where there are two or three
8 homes which catch the . overflow from low spots in the alley between
9 those streets and problems on Wilson Street N.E. where the storm
10 sewer lines have a slightly lower capacity than some of the upstream
11 and lower lines;
12 *the other more significant spot of flooding during last
13 summer's 100 or 500 year rainfall , was at the intersection of 29th
14 Avenue N.E. and Silver Lake Road which affected access but the
15 surface water didn't rise high enough to damage any homes;
16 *the general cause of surface water flooding in St. Anthony is
17 because the City has a steep rise in the northern watershed and
18 shallower slopes that don't drain water rapidly in the south;
19 *it's technically possible, but not economically feasible or
20 reasonable to try to protect communities from every type of rainfall;
21 *the City has to make economic choices based on the damage•
22 caused by surface water flooding.
23 Mr. Folen described the sizes of the pipes in various parts of the
24 City, saying the outlet for the whole City is in Highway 88 where the
25 City's storm water flows -down to the Minneapolis storm sewer conduit
26 and eventually into the Mississippi River. The constraint on that
27 outlet - prevents increasing St. Anthony's line size. He pointed out,
28 however, that if it were possible to redesign St. Anthony's system to
29 provide for a five year storm (which has a 20% chance of happening in
30 any one year) , it would cost about $2.5 million. To protect from a
31 ten year storm with a 10% chance of happening in any year, would cost
32 the City about $3 .8 million. And, even if St. Anthony residents were
33 willing to pay those costs, the Minneapolis outlet couldn't handle
34 the flow anyway. The outlet along Highway 88 is designed to accept
35 only the capacity which goes into it now and if the flow were
36 increased, it would flood the shopping centers. Bigger pipes would
37 only mean the City would be transferring the flooding down to the
38 southern sections faster.
39 Ponding in the St Anthony Center Would Require an Acre of Land and 9
40 Foot Pond Depth
41 The areas behind the homes on Silver Lake Road between 30th and 31st
42 Avenues and another east of Silver Point Park wouldn't be feasible
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1 either because there's not enough land available for the first or
2 because of the low elevation of Silver Lake Road when compared to the
• 3 elevation of the park. The only area large enough to accommodate a
4 240 X 240, 9 foot basin which would have to be deep enough to hold a
5 ten year storm overflow, would be in the shopping center the City is
6 trying to redevelop for housing, which the engineer estimated would
7 cost $560,000 to construct in addition to the hundreds of thousands
8 of dollars Mr. Childs had estimated the City would have to pay for
9 the land.
10 Mr. Folen commented that it didn't seem reasonable to spend a couple
11 million. dollars to prevent $4 ,000. 00 or $5,000.00 in damage to two or
12 three homes on St. Anthony Boulevard. He added that, if such a pond
13 were contemplated, a detailed topographic survey would have to be
14 taken to find out who else might be affected if the pond should flood
15 and safety of the pond .would also have to be a concern. St. Anthony
16 might also have a problem trying to sell sending the overflow
17 spillage down through the Highway 88 trunk line to Minneapolis.
18 Enlarging Wilson Street Pipes Would Also be Very Expensive
19 Mr. Folen reiterated how expensive the above would be and wondered if
20 instead the City might want to look towards flood proofing the homes
21 in the area which are the most apt to be affected by the next big
22 storm. He indicated homeowners who realize their properties might be
23 in danger could raise their garages and pour new slabs. Another
24 option might be for them to regrade their backyards to keep the water
• 25 away from the house.
26 Sundland noted that these suggestions would only work if everybody
27 in the neighborhood cooperated so adjoining properties would not be
28 flooded as a result of a neighbor's property being regraded.
29 Hamer Reports on City Areas Which Had Problems Last Summer
30 The Public Works Director indicated the City had not changed the
31 drainage system that much in the area off Wilson Street where new
32 homes are replacing the Johnson Florist business which was wiped out
33 in the 1984 tornado. There is still an open system which has the
34 capacity for backing up onto the new .tennis courts. The only thing
35 different is that the new homes have been built extremely high and
36 have walkout basements which aren't as apt to be flooded. As proof,
3.7 Mr. Hamer reported that during last summer's storm, the system had
38 again backed up in that area, causing some of the siding which was
39 lying around to float down about four blocks away from the site.
40 The Public Works Director reported he perceived there were only two
41 homes in the Murray/St. Anthony Boulevard area which are
42 consistently affected by storm water flooding. However, there are
43 many more homes with backed up sanitary sewer systems. He said the
44 only way to hold the storm sewer overflow back is to have higher
45 retaining walls built.
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1 Mr. Hamer reported another trouble area during the July, 1987 , storm
2 had been the home on the north side of West Armour Terrace between•
3 Wilson and Silver Lake Road where for the second time in the last ten
4 years, "clean, but damaging" water had flooded the backyard and the
5 basement. He said this was a case where the sanitary sewer system
6 wasn't functioning and the system couldn't get the surface water
7 away fast enough. He indicated he perceived this was an area where a
8 sump pump was needed to get the - surface water away from the house
9 during periods when the sanitary sewer system isn't functioning.
10 Ramer told Councilmember Ranallo there are a few intersections like
it the one he mentioned near 33rd and Wilson, as well as at 29th and
12 Silver Lake Road and Pahl and Wilson which are designed for retention
13 and even though there might be severe flooding -at times, the only
14 effects on residential property is to leave a ring of debris in front
15 yards. The Public Works Director added that these and the
16 intersection of 29th and Roosevelt were designed as a less expensive
17 method of retaining overflow during severe storms.
18 Folen said the 7 areas with intersection flooding do not harm
-19 residential property.
20 Krs. Grassman said her home on Murray was one of the homes in that
21 area which .have been flooded many times over the 35 years she has
22 lived there. She said the first year she moved in "they were using
23 boats down the alley between Murray and St. Anthony Boulevard."
24 The homeowner insisted that the water level in that area had always•
25 been high and when the City "tampered with Wilson street as more and
26 more homes went in upstream" , those problems increased. During one
27 storm, her clothes poles had been moved a foot farther apart, she
28 reported.
29 Topological Survey Necessary Before Alley Elevations Can Be Changed
30 Ranallo agreed with Mr. Hamer that it was a matter of educating
31 homeowners on Wilson to put in check valves, sump pumps, etc.
32 Folen indicated -further topographic studies would be necessary to
33 assure no one else would be harmed if the City makes some grade
34 changes in the low spots in -the alley behind Murray and the homes on
35 St. Anthony Boulevard which are reporting problems with flooding.
36 Ranallo commented that he knew there were certainly more than two or
37 three homeowners in the City who attributed their problems to poor
38 management of storm water. He said the Council might still have a
39 hard time convincing some of those who had experienced two or three
40 feet of water in their basements last summer that it wasn't caused by
41 the City's storm sewer system rather than the infiltration from
42 residential drain tiles and the sanitary sewer system. "
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1 Enrooth Perceives $18 , 000 Study Had Confirmed What City Has Been
• 2 Telling Residents All Along
3 The Councilmember observed it had taken a $10,000 storm sewer study
4 and a $5 or $6,000 •sanitary sewer study to reconfirm that there is
5' really little the city can do outside of spending two or three
6 million dollars to protect a few homes from flooding during severe
7 rainfalls with the exception of pending a few more dollars to find
8 out through a topographical survey whether grading an alley might
9 alleviate some of the problems for one or two homeowners who can't
10 do anything else for themselves to solve their problems.
11 Council Action
12 Mr. Childs was requested to get a quote for the survey for
13 presentation at a future Council meeting.
14 Sanitary Sewer Study - Robertson
15 The engineer identified the Wilson Street trunk line, which runs from
16 29th Avenue N.E. to Lowry Avenue with jogs over to Kenzie Terrace and
17 down Coolidge and back to Lowry. He emphasized that any improvements
18 on this line had to be predicated on the 18 inch line at. Lowry which
19 takes the sewage to a 33 inch line into Minneapolis.
20 Mr. Robertson indicated that if the City wanted to enlarge its lines
21 in order to increase the flow into the Metropolitan feeder line it
• 22 would have to get the state agency's. and Minneapolis permission to do
23 so. Conversations he had with those in charge had indicated they
24 were ready to accommodate "normal flows" but would take a harder line
25 .with cities like St. Anthony who_ have excess flows into their system
26 from surface water getting into sanitary sewer systems through
27 foundation drains.
28 Mr. Robertson warned that it would be very expensive for the City to
29 take measures like installing back water valves or sump pumps which
30 had been discussed estimating that if there were 400 homes with
31 drain tile connected to the sanitary system at $3 ,000.00 per home, it
32 would cost well over a million dollars to divorce the foundation
33 water from the sanitary sewer system.
34 The engineer agreed with Councilmember Enrooth that the City's 18
35 inch pipes would have no problem handling normal sanitary sewage
36 flow without storm water infiltration through drain tiles. He said
37 the pipes are only one quarter filled during non-rain periods and
38 cracked pipelines and manhole seepage is minor compared to what goes
39 into the system from drain tiles when it rains.
40 Mr. Robertson agreed with Councilmember Ranallo that although the
41 inability of the sanitary sewer system to function during a storm
42 with the drain tiles connected contributed somewhat to the storm
43 sewer problems in the Murray/St. Anthony Boulevard, those problems
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1 would not necessarily be solved by spending a million dollars to
2 disconnect the drain tiles. •
3 Twenty-four Inch Pipes Recommended When City Improves Wilson Street
4 Because of the condition of the sanitary sewer pipes along Wilson
5 south of 29th, the engineers had recommended the City replace the 18
6 inch pipes with 24 inch pipes which they estimated would cost the
7 City only $200,000.00 if the project were done in conjunction with
8 the improvement of the whole street.
9 Childs said Wilson Street would probably be the next MSA street the
10 City would be improving and although the State wouldn't pay for the
11 new sewer line, he agreed with Mr. Robertson it would be better to
. 12 enlarge the pipeline in conjunction with the reconstruction than to
13 try to level out the grade. The Manager suggested the condensed
14 engineering report be published and that the Council wait to see what
15 the response is before scheduling any public hearings where neighbor
16 might be confronting neighbor about drain tiles.
17 $nrooth agreed it was essential to let the residents know the City
18 has gone to such lengths to address and try to solve their problems.
19 He said he wasn't advocating any public hearings, but thought if any
20 were to be held, it might be wise to hold them this summer during a
21 drought when memories of the storms aren't quite as intense.
22 Ranallo agreed that the engineers should prepare a condensed, easily
23 understood summary of their report which could be communicated to the
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24 residents to let them know "the City had spent over $15,000 for
25 engineering studies which only tell the Council they are really
26 powerless to do anything to correct the flooding problems which
27 follow severe rainfalls."
28 Marks suggested the article carrying the executive summary could
29 indicate the complete report was available for them to read at City
30 Hall and at the St. Anthony Library.
31 Robertson Indicates RCM Staff Member Oualified to Help City to
32 Disconnect Foundation Tiles If Council Ever Makes That Decision
33 The engineer reported Owatonna had reasonable success in getting its
34 foundation systems disconnected from its sanitary sewer system and
35 the Owatonna engineer at that time now works for RCM. He said if
36 the City ever decided to take the same action, that engineer would
37 probably be available to help the Council conduct the public
38 hearings on the issue. Before leaving the subject, Mr. Hamer pointed
39 out that the City had already taken some steps to alleviate the
40 flooding problems when it had installed sanitary sewer by-passes to
41 the Roseville system at Highcrest and to Minneapolis at St. Anthony
42 Road.
43 Council Action
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1 The engineers were requested to prepare an "understandable" executive
• 2 summary of their report for publication.
3 Makowske Reports Exposed Section of Steel in a Silver Point Park
4' Swing
5 Before he left the meeting, the Councilmember reported the above to
6 Mr. Hamer, indicating she had noticed .what she thought "could be
7 dangerous to children" at a point on the swing where the rubber had
8 worn off . The Public Works Director said he would check on it.
9 Council Approves $5 ,000 Payment for New Central Park Playground
10 Equipment
11 The report in the agenda packet on the above had been written by Dick
12 Buendorf , the summer administrative intern, Mr. Childs indicated.
13 Mr. Buendorf had compared the $7, 500 quote from Miracle Recreation
14 Equipment to the $12,080.00 bid from Minnesota Playground and
15 considered the -former to be the most cost effective, not only because
16 Miracle had provided a lower bid for riding toys and the digger, but
17 also because he considered their equipment to be. more durable and
18 widely used.
19 Since the Council had only budgeted $5,000.00 for playground
20 equipment this year, the City Manager recommended purchasing only
21 equipment which costs that much this year and budgeting for the
• 22 remainder next year.
23 Mr. Childs indicated the report had also addressed long range plans
24 for both Central and Silver Point Parks and the Kiwanis Club had
25 promised to help with installation of the Central Park equipment.
26 Council Action
27 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $5,000.00
28 to Miracle Equipment for as much playground equipment for Central
29 Park as that will buy this year and to put the costs which remain up
30 for budget consideration this fall .
31 Lotion carried unanimously.
32 UNFINISHED BUSINESS
33 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve the third reading and
34 adopt Ordinance 1988-006.
35 ORDINANCE 1988-006
36 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO LICENSING, EXEMPTING
37 THE CITY FROM LICENSING FEES AND REQUIREMENTS;
38 AMENDING SECTION 510:00 OF THE 1973
CODE OF ORDINANCES
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1
2 Notion carried unanimously.•
3 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to approve the second reading of
4 the ordinance amendment which adds "Motorcycle Sales and Accessories"
5 to the Permitted Conditional Uses in Section 9, Subdivision 3 of the
6 City Ordinance 1976-006.
7 ORDINANCE 1988-007
8 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO ZONING;
9 AMENDING ORDINANCE 1976-0.06
10 Notion carried unanimously.
11 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to approve the second reading
12 of the ordinance which amends Section 430:15 of the 1973 Code of
13 Ordinances by adding a subdivision which clarifies the description of
14 "Shopping Centers" in Subdivision 24 and renumbers Subdivisions 24-
15 30 to accommodate the addition of the definition.
16 ORDINANCE 1988-008
17 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO LICENSES, PERMITS, AND
18 BUSINESS REGULATIONS, AMENDING. SECTION 430:00
19 OF THE 1973 CODE OF ORDINANCES
20 Notion carried +ns*+ mously.•
21 AD�TOORNl�iT
22 "Village Fest" Planned by Chamber for 1989
23 Adjournment was delayed a few minutes for a short discussion of plans
24 for a City float with the Apache Program Planner, who indicated she
25 was in attendance to observe the Council meeting for the Chamber of
26 Commerce, who had put her in charge of the float. Ms. Olsonoski told
27 the Council the Chamber of Commerce also wants to hold a "Village
28 Fest" in St. Anthony next year which would a parade at which the new
29 float could be exhibited.
30 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to adjourn the Council meeting
31 at 10:05 P.M. for the meeting of the St. Anthony Housing and
32 Redevelopment Authority which followed immediately.
33 Notion carried unanimously.
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1 Respectfully submitted,
2 Helen Crowe, Secretary
3
4' Mayor
5 ATTEST:
6 .City Clerk
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• C 2 TY OF S T . ANTHONY
HOU S 2 N G AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHOR=TY
M 2 NUT E S `
JULY 1 2 , 1 9 8 8
1 The meeting was called to order by Chair Sundland at 10:05 P.M.
2 Present for roll call : Sundland, Vice Chair Enrooth, Secretary/
3 Treasurer Marks, and Commissioners
4 Makowske and Ranallo.
5 Also present: David Childs, Executive Director.
6 JUNE 28, 1988 H.R.A. MINUTES
7 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Makowske to approve with the following
8 changes:
9 Page 2 , line 39: Substitute "a" for "to" before report.
10 Page 2 , line 41: Delete "probably" between "would" and "be" .
11 Notion carried unanimously.
• 12 QAINS
13 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of
14 $2 , 357.50 to the Dorsey & Whitney law firm for legal services to the
15 H.R.A. during May, 1988 .
16 Notion carried unanimously.
17 NEW BUSINESS
18 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to adopt the resolution which
19 includes the St. Anthony H.R.A. as a sub-recipient with the City of
20 St. Anthony of Ramsey County CDBG funds.
21 H.R.A. RESOLUTION 88-001
22 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CHAIRMAN AND EXECUTIVE
23 DIRECTOR TO EXECUTE THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO
24 COOPERATION AGREEMENT FOR THE COUNTY COMMUNITY
25 DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM BETWEEN THE
26 ST. ANTHONY HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT
27 AUTHORITY AND RAMSEY COUNTY
28 Notion carried unanimously.
29 Lang-Nelson Redevelopment Contract Deferred Until Next H.R.A. Meeting
30 Mr. Childs reported Paul Brewer of Lang-Nelson had called that
31 afternoon asking for the above deferment because he was unable to
32 bring a "full package" to the meeting that evening and he perceived
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1 it would. be better for all concerned if the H.R.A.. had all the
2 necessary documents before them for approval .
3 The Executive Director indicated Mr. Brewer had assured him that*
4 Lang-Nelson had agreed to all the terms and conditions in the revised
5' Development Contract in the H.R.a. agenda packet but the lending
6 agency has a few more things they want to talk to the developers
7 about before signing an agreement to finance the project. Mr. Brewer
8 told Mr. Childs the project was still "very much alive" and he was
9 certain it wouldn't be long before the developers would be entering
10 into the agreement to construct the third phase of the Kenzie Terrace
11 Redevelopment Project. The Executive Director said he perceived the
12 delay was more a matter of moving at the bank in question's speed
13 than either the City's or Lang-Nelson's.
14 H.R.A. Review of Preliminary Draft of Evergreen Townhouses Tax
15 Increment Plan
16 The H.R.A. members had been provided copies of Mr. Krier's memorandum
17 on the above as well as the Tax Increment Financing Plan. Mr. Krier
18 was concerned about a glitch in the 1988 tax increment law regarding
19 mill rates, however, the Executive Director indicated he had since
20 learned that the Minnesota League of Cities had gotten an opinion
21 from the Attorney General which appeared to indicate that the
22 counties should ignore the problem as it will be corrected in the
23 next session. Mr. Childs indicated he was therefore recommending the
24 H.R.A. schedule a public hearing on the Plan for August 23rd. The
25 draft Plan will be referred to the county, school district and City
26 Planning Commission for comment and the City for final action.
27 H.R.A. Action
28 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to acknowledge receipt of the
29 Preliminary Draft of the Tax Increment Plan for Evergreen Townhouses
30 and to schedule a public hearing on the Plan during the H.R.A. August
31 23 , 1988 meeting, as recommended by the -Executive Director.
32 Lotion carried unanimously.
33 ADL7OURr1�IENT
34 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to adjourn the St. Anthony
35 Housing and Redevelopment Authority meeting at 10: 25 P.M.
36 Motion carried unanimously.
37 Respectfully submitted,
38 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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