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Document: PL MINUTES 05191987
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• P L ANN 2 NG COMM 2 S S 2 ON M=NUTS S
MAY :3L9 ' 1987
1 The meeting was called to order by Chair Franzese at 8:00 P.M.
2 due to school board election and closing of polls at that time.
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4 Present . for roll call: Franzese, London, Wingard, Hansen,
5 Wagner, Wer,enicz, and Madden.
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7 Also present: David Childs, City Manager.
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9 APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
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11 Motion by Wagner, seconded by Hansen to approve as submitted the
12 minutes of the April 21, 1987 Planning Commission meeting.
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14 Motion carried unanimously.
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16 Commissioner Madden will represent the Planning Commission at the
17 May 26, 1987 Council meeting.
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19 PUBLIC HEARINGS
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.21 Chair Franzese opened the public hearing at 8:02 P.M. and read
22 the legal notice which had been published in the Bulletin, May 6,
23 1987 . This request is in regard to a request from Herberger' s
24 Inc. and C. G. Rein Co. for a sign variance at Apache Plaza.
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26 The request is to install two 519" X 20' signs on the existing
27 Apache Plaza pylon sign located near 39th Avenue N.E. on Silver
28 Lake Road.
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30 No one present had expressed failure to receive the notice or
31 objected to its contents.
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33 A staff report was given by Mr. Childs explaining that
34 Herberger' s will be installing one 150 square foot wall sign on
35 the west side of Apache Plaza, as allowed by the Ordinance. They
36 feel that since they have no Silver Lake Road visibility, the
37 variance is needed to provide proper identification for their
.38 store. Mr. Childs also reported that the free-standing sign
39 located on Stinson Boulevard and 39th Avenue N.E. has been
40 removed. That sign, which was a legal non-conforming sign ( 200-
41 250 feet in size) , had been located on land not owned by Apache
42 Plaza, and was recently removed.
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44 George Torrey, representing Herberger' s, was present and gave the
45 following information:
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047 *store has projected opening of late July;
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49 *Managers will be on site in early June to hire sales
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3 *anchor stores, such as this, usually have end locations,
4 which gives visibility that Herberger' s lacks in this situ-
5 ation;
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7 *the store will be 40 ,000 square feet of retail space, with
8 15,000 square feet downstairs for offices, storage, and
9 employee lounges, etc. (the J. C. Penney store has a total
10 of 57 ,000 square feet, Warner' s has 25,000 square feet) ;
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12 *Herberger' s has studied the need for the sign carefully and
13 feel it is definitely needed or they would not be expending
14 $6,500 to construct it;
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16 *their nearest store, and only other Twin Cities store, is a
17 50,000 square foot store in the Signal Hills Center in
18 West St. Paul. Herberger' s considers Apache area to be
19 excellent as a marketable location.
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21 Chair Franzese asked why the sign is permanent rather than
22 temporary since people in the immediate area generally know what
23 is located at Apache and where it is.
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25 Mr. Torrey reported that in order for them to be successful, they
26 are going to expand the shopping scope of Apache, pulling
27 shoppers who otherwise might go to Rosedale or Northtown. Their
28 stores are comparable to the major department stores in brand
.%29 and product selection, except they do not have furniture,
30 appliances or electronics. The current location has been vacant
31 since 1981, so they feel that it is imperative that they get
32 exposure on Silver Lake Road.
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34 When asked by Commissioner Hansen how long they have known that
35 they needed a variance, Mr. Torrey responded that the terms of
36 their lease included permission from Apache to put a sign on
37 Silver Lake Road, but they learned of the City' s restrictions
38 when they applied for a sign permit 30 to 45 days ago.
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40 When asked whether other Apache tenants would be making the same
41 request, Mr. Dennis Cavanaugh, C. G. Rein Co. , stated that the
42 Apache Plaza owners wanted to avoid the Robert Street look in
43 terms of signage, and would not allow another sign on the pylon
44 and would submit a letter agreeing not to request another sign to
45 be mounted on the pylon.
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47 No persons were present to speak in opposition of the request and
48 the hearing was closed at 8:25 P.M.
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50 Commissioner Hansen excused himself from the meeting at 8: 30 P.M.
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52 After considerable discussion about setting a precedent and
53 assuring that only one sign ever be allowed to be placed on the
0-54 pylon, recalling the St. Anthony Village Shopping Center signage
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3 *Mr. Evanson has met with Dr. Osterbauer and had given him
4 plans. Dr. Osterbauer made no commitment of approval, but
5 did not object. It is expected that his retaining wall
6 would not be removed.
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8 The Commissioners had numerous questions and concerns as follows:
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10 -provision of silt fences or haybales for erosion control
11 during excavation;
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13 -better contour lines for slope to adjacent lots, especially
14 Osterbauer to the southwest and Lee Larwick to the north-
15 east;
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17 -maximum of 3/1 slope for slopes in subdivision or adjacent
18 lots.
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20 Motion by Wagner, seconded by Werenicz to recommend approval by
21 the City Council of the grading plan and final plat for Gardena
22 Acres, with the following conditions:
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24 1. No building permits will be issued until grading is
25 completed in substantial conformance with the grading
26 plan ( substantial defined as within 1 - 2 feet of final
27 grade except within 5 feet at the northeast property
•28 line) ;
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30 2. Erosion control to be provided by silt fence or haybales
31 to City standards;
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33 3 . Applicant to prepare for City Council amendments to the
34 grading plan showing existing and proposed contours
35 showing acceptable drainage into existing match points-;
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37 4 . Applicant to acquire necessary slope easements from
38 adjacent property owner on northeast;
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40 5 . Maximum of 3 to 1 slope on this property to include
41 especially the northeast adjacent property and Dr. Ost-
42 erbauer' s property on the southwest.
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44 Motion carried unanimously.
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46 MISCELLANEOUS
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48 DAIRY QUEEN SIGN
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50 The Planning Commission reiterated their concerns about the
51 signage at the Dairy Queen. They stated that they were led
52 to believe that the Dairy Queen remodeling was to add
•53 space on the back side and were very surprised when the
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3 structure was completely leveled and rebuilt. They had denied a
4 new free-standing sign with the understanding that Mr. Plaisted
5 could have the rotating (non-conforming roof sign) and one wall
6 sign . The property has two wall signs plus the roof sign and
7 the Commissioners find this to be in violation of the Sign
8 Ordinance.
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10 Staff was asked to notify Mr. Plaisted of his sign violation and
11 to report back as to progress toward removal of the illegal sign.
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13 KENZIE TERRACE PROJECT UPDATE
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15 The City Manager notified the Planning Commission about the
16 current status of the Kenzie Terrace Redevelopment Project..
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18 *Arkand Partnership is in default on the redevelopment
19 agreement;
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21 *the City is seeking to replace them as developers;
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23 *the City ordered a market study to help in finding a new
24 redeveloper. That study shows that a market exists for
25 only 100 to an absolute maximum of 150 units of new senior
26 rental units at the site;
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•28 *recalculations of the tax increment also indicate that a
2.9 lower density, perhaps as low as 200 units, might be
30 possible;
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32 *it appears that a part senior rental ( 100-150 units)-part
33 commercial or townhouse project would not be feasible;
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35 *alternatives will be explored with the residents in the
36 neighborhood and their input will be asked for in the near
37 future.
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39 The Planning Commission was of the consensus that this approach
40 seemed reasonable.
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42 ADJOURNMENT
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44 Motion by Wagner, seconded by Werenicz to adjourn the Planning
45 Commission meeting at 10 : 15 P.M.
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47 Motion carried unanimously.
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50 Respectfully submitted,
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52 David Childs, City Manager
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