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1 CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING .
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5 NOVEMBER 17 , 1992
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7 1 . CALL TO ORDER
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9 The Planning Commission Meeting was called to order at 7 : 30
10 p.m. and the Pledge of Allegiance was led by Chairperson
11 Faust .
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13 2 . ROLL CALL
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15 Commissioners Present : Thompson, Franzese, Gondorchin, Murphy,
16 Werenicz, Madden and_ Faust
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18 Staff Present : Management Assistant Dave Urbia
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20 3 . APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 20 , 1992 PLANNING
21 COMMISSION MEETING
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23 Motion by Madden, second by Murphy to approve the minutes of
24 the October 20 , 1992 Planning Commission Meeting with the
25 following corrections :
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page 2 , line 37 : Delete "Condo Division" and replace with
"complex"
9 page 2 , line 43 : Delete "a group of attorneys" and replace
30 with "a federal agency"
31 page 3 , line 29 : Replace "Amoco" with "Unical "
32 page 4 , line 13 : Delete "and"
33 page 4 , line 25: Correct "feeet" with "feet"
34 page 4 , line 41 : Correct "west" with "east"
35 page 7 , line 49 : Place a semicolon after "hearing"
36 page 8 , line 6 : Place a semicolon after "approved"
37 page 8 , line 7 : Place a semicolon after "statement"
38 page 11 , line 16/17 : Delete the entire sentence. On line 17
39 replace "He" with "Commissioner Murphy"
40 page 13 , line 8 : Add at the end of this paragraph,
41 "Commissioner Madden noted that the maps were not readable. "
42 page 16, line 46 : Insert after "money" the phrase "by December
43 31st"
44 page 16, line 49 : add to the end of the sentence, " that given
45 that the plan was presented as a concept plan and adjustments
46 are acceptable•. "
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49 Motion carried unanimously
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6 4 . DESIGNATION OF COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE TO THE DECEMBER 7
7 1992 CITY COUNCIL MEETING
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9 Commissioner Thompson will represent the Planning Commission
10 at the December 7th Council Meeting. It was noted that the
11 regularly scheduled Council Meeting of the 8th of December was
12 changed to December 7th.
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14 5.. PUBLIC HEARING
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16 A. Request for Subdivision/Plat Approval , Dennis Cavanauah,
17 C. G. Rein Company
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19 The Public Hearing was opened by Chairperson Faust at 7 : 44
20 p.m.
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22 Chairperson Faust noted that notice of this public hearing
23 appeared in the October 28 , 1992 edition of the Bulletin .
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25 The request is for a subdivision/plat approval for the Tires
26 Plus company, located at 3800 Silver Lake Road. Approval is
27 required for the tax increment financing proposal for the
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0 A memo from the Management Assistant addressed all issues of
31 concern regarding this request . The memo also indicated that
32 the ordinance which applies in this situation had been
33 reviewed and the request appears to comply with all of the
34 requirements of the ordinance. The parcel needs to be removed
35 from the Tax Increment Financing District .
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37 Mr. Cavanaugh was in attendance only to respond to any
38 questions members of the Planning Commission may have. He
39 stated he felt the staff had done a very good job in assisting
40 him with this request .
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42 The Public Hearing was closed at 7 : 47 p.m.
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44 Motion by Madden, second by Murphy to recommend to the City
45 Council approval of the subdivision/plat approval request from
46 the C. G. Rein .Company on behalf of the Tires Plus Company,
47 3800 Silver Lake Road recognizing that the request meets all
48 of the requirements of the ordinance.
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50 Motion carried unanimously
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6 6. MISCELLANEOUS
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8 A. Appoint Plannina Commissioner to Environmental
9 Ouality/Recycling Committee
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11 Urbia advised that the first meeting of this committee is
12 scheduled for November 19th. This will be an organizational
13 meeting and by-laws will be adopted and the 1993 meeting
14 schedule will be established . He noted that the purpose of the
15 committee will be to broaden the scope of environmental issues
16 beyond just _ rec:ycing matters to include_ water quality and
17 solid waste. This committee would also provide a forum for
18 resident input .
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20 The Committee ' s duties shall include but not be limited to:
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22 1 . Reviewing development proposals for environmental
23 concerns and storm water quality.
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25 2 . Study and make recommendations on solid waste management
26 and recycling.
3 . Providing input into the local watershed planning
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process .
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31 4 . Providing educational programs and information to the
32 public on environmental issues.
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34 5 . Protection and enhancement of lakes and wetlands .
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36 Chairperson Faust inquired if this committee would include the
37 Beautification Committee. Urbia responded that it evolved from
38 the Recycling Committee and will address smaller environmental
39 issues . He felt this committee will not be addressing issues
40 similar to those addressed by the Planning Commission.
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42 Urbia advised the committee will have nine members in addition
43 to Councilmember Enrooth, a member of the Planning Commission
44 and members of the staff . The committee will meet quarterly.
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46 Commissioner Gondorchin observed there will be a great deal to
47 be done by this comm.ittee and he felt it was unlikely this
48 could be done when it meets only quarterly.
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6 Commissioner Franzese indicated her interest on serving on
7 this committee but is unable to attend the November 19th
8 meeting. She requested someone on the Planning Commission
9 attend this particular meeting and bring any information
10 gotten back to the next Planning Commission Meeting. She also
11 requested that the commissioner who attends this meeting
12 specify that his attendance is only . a communication tool for
13 the Planning Commission.
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15 Chairperson Faust indicated he felt he could deal more
16 effectively on the problems of t-he north end of town .by not
17 serving on this committee.
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19 The length of service will be one year for the volunteer from
20 the Planning Commission. Commissioner Gondorchin will attend
21 the meeting on November 19th . Commissioners Franzese and
22 Murphy stated their availability to be a "filler." on this
23 committee.
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26 B. Redevelopment Plan - 3112 Silver Lake Road
The St . Anthony Housing and Redevelopment Authority is
9 requesting the Planning Commission to consider a redevelopment
30 plan for the substandard house and parcel located at 3112
31 Silver Lake Road .
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33 Urbia advised that the goal of the HRA is to upgrade the
34 City' s housing stock and to retain control as to what is built
35 on any parcels acquired. This parcel may not be the best for
36 a test case he stated. It has a sixty-six foot frontage and
37 may require a variance. Many of the lots on this particular
38 block have similar frontages .
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40 Urbia noted that a complete inventory of the City' s housing
41 stock has not yet been done and the City Attorney has advised
42 against doing this at this time .
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44 The owner has indicated an interest in selling this parcel . It
45 is assessed at $49, 000 and the asking price is the same. The
46 value placed ori" the lot is $25, 000 and Urbia felt it could be
47 sold for considerably more.
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49 Chairperson Faust expressed a concern with the City being in
50 the business of buying and selling of property. He noted that
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6 the potential for the City to lose approximately $15, 000 with
7 this particular situation could be a problem.
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9 A private developer has not been selected for this specific
10 site. Urbia advised that staff has to develop standards and
11 criteria to be met by a developer. He noted that in all
12 instances the staff will attempt to minimize the City' s
13 losses .
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15 Commissioner Franzese noted she has concern with the standards
16 used-to label a structure as "blight . " Commissioner Gondorchin
17 feels the house is definitely substandard and is supportive of
18 attempts to upgrade this property. He also noted that is a
19 rental property and will remain rental property if left in its
20 present state.
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22 Chairperson Faust questioned whether this property had been on
23 the market long enough to establish it as a problem. He
24 recalled where Advanced Designs had purchased property in the
25 City and built two very nice homes . There was no need for City
26 involvement with this firm.
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Discussion continued regarding contacting developers about
potential building sites where substandard housing is
30 presently located . It was felt this may be more advisable to
31 try before the City actually gets involved with acquisitions
32 and demolitions .
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34 Motion by Madden, second by Franzese that the Planning
35 Commission recommends to the St . Anthony HRA that the
36 acquistion of the substandard house and land at 3112 Silver
37 Lake Road be deferred until the market place has had an
38 opportunity to find if it is saleable , or saleable at a
39 reduced price, and if , at a later date, the St . Anthony HRA
40 finds out it is not saleable, to pursue acquisition, and the
41 City actually pursue a developer for the available property.
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43 Motion carried unanimously
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46 C. Concept Review - Additional Frontaae Sian for 2808
47 Anthony Lane South
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49 No background material was received regarding this matter
50 so it was removed from the agenda.
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6 D. Sian Ordinance - Consider Amoratization , Other City
7 Attorney Findings
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9 The City Council adopted the revised sign ordinance at its
10 October 13 , 1992 meeting. At the time the Planning Commission
11 recommended revisions it was felt that some additional issues
12 needed further review. The two main issues for review were
13 amortization (removal of legal , non-conforming signs) and
14 removal of illegal non-conforming signs .
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16 Memos from the City Attorney regarding both of these issues
17 were included in the agenda packet . He gave a number of
18 opinions regarding amortization . He suggested citations be
19 issued for illegal non-conforming signs .
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21 Chairperson Faust felt the first issue to be addressed by the
22 Planning Commission was the enforcement feature of sign
23 removal . He suggested that it should not be pursued further if
24 ordinances were not going to be inforced. He felt this is the
25 case with some of the ordinances and regulations the City
26 presently has on the books .
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Urbia suggested that a comprehensive sign ordinance should be
considered.
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31 It was the opinion of the Chairperson that members of the
32 Planning Commission were displeased with the present lack of
33 enforcement of the Sign Ordinance .
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35 Commissioner Murphy requested a point of clarification
36 regarding what the City Council wanted the Planning Commission
37 to act on regarding this matter . Urbia advised it was included
38 in the agenda for general discussion and recommendations on
39 the two aforementioned items .
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41 Chairperson Faust inquired who would represent the City if the
42 Sign Ordinance was challenged in court . Urbia responded that
43 the City Attorney would represent the City in these matters .
44 The City Attorney had stated that amortization would be ill-
45 advised .
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47 Commissioner Murphy felt amortization would be an effective
48 tool for enforcement , although he noted that present
49 ordinances are not being enforced.
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6 Motion by Franzese, second by Madden to set aside this issue
7 and put back on the agenda when the Planning Commission can
8 meet with Bill Soth, the City Attorney.
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11 Motion carried unanimously
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14 E. Proposed Plannina Commission BY-Laws
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16 The third draft of the proposed by-laws for the Planning
17 Commission were included in the agenda packet .
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19 Commissioner Madden noted he was not present at the meeting
20 where the by-laws were first discussed. He inquired where the
21 need for the by-laws was initiated.
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23 Chairperson Faust had suggested by-laws be drafted by staff
24 and viewed them as providing some guidelines and standard
25 operating procedures .
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27 Commissioner Madden held the opinion that by-laws were not
needed. He suggested rather than using "Chair" and "Vice
Chair" in the by-laws that "Chairperson" would be more gender
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32 The by-laws were reviewed line by line with the following
33 corrections , deletions and additions :
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35 Section 4 (A) Delete ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) and renumber ( 5) to ( 3)
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37 Section 6 was changed to read as follows : "Four members of
38 the commission shall constitute a quorum for the transaction
39 of business . "
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41 Section 9 should be included in Section 8 and all of the
42 following sections should be renumbered.
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44 Section 11 ( 6 ) should read as follows : "Planning Commission
45 asks any questions it may have of the proponents, opponents,
46 or staff , and "then takes action in accordance with Robert ' s
47 Rules of Order. "
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49 Section 15 should be eliminated in its entirety.
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6 Various comments made by the commissioners included seeing
7 term limitations as a non-issue, and favoring compensation for
8 members of the Commission.
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10 The Chairperson requested the Management Assistant to mail
11 copies of the amended by-laws to all members of the Planning
12 Commission for their review. He suggested that if there are
13 any more changes members of the Commission want included they
14 notify Urbia. Urbia was requested to present the amended by-
15 laws to the City Council at its December 7th Council meeting..
16 He also wanted this item on the December Planning Commission -
17 meeting agenda.
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20 F. Separation of Undersized Lots Held in Sinale Ownership
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22 The resident at 3127 Silver Lake Road approached the City
23 regarding separation of undersized lots held in single
24 ownership. Staff determined this would be a policy issue and
25 contacted the City Attorney to provide legal insight into the
26 issue.
The City Attorney advised by letter that the half-section maps
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for the City should be reviewed to determine whether there
30 should be an ordinance change requiring single ownership or a
31 grandfathering provision.
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33 Staff reviewed the half-section maps and determined there are
34 a significant number of old plats with very small lots. Staff
35 concluded it would be advisable to have an ordinance
36 prohibiting the separation of legally platted lots if the lots
37 do not conform to current zoning ordinances when separated.
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39 Commissioner Franzese felt that some policies should be
40 formulated as to where the City wants to go with these types
41 of matters .
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43 Motion by Franzese that this item be placed on the agenda when
44 the City Attorney, Bill Soth, will be in attendance. The
45 motion was withdrawn .
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47 Chairperson Faust felt the Planning Commission was being
48 requested .to •develop some kind of .philosophy for the City
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7 Attorney to comment on . Commissioner Franzese commented that
8 there are seminars which address substandard lots in inner
9 ring suburbs . She felt the City needed a well thought out
10 philosophy.
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12 It was the consensus of the Planning Commission members that
13 information regarding how many lots presently exist in the
14 City which would qualify for this consideration be gotten
15 before -any policy could be formulated.
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17 The matter was tabled for additional information.
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20 7 . STAFF UPDATE
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22 A. Proposed Ordinance Changes
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24 The items contained in the memo from Urbia to the City Manager
25 addressed proposed ordinance changes as discussed at the joint
26 meeting of the Planning Commission and the City Council .
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Commissioner Madden noted that the items addressed in the memo
did not take the form of recommendations to the City Council
30 from the Planning Commission.
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32 Regarding the issue of attendance, Chairperson Faust felt the
33 original language should be put back into the ordinance . He
34 mentioned the issue of compensation for Commissioners to the
35 Mayor and to the staff .
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37 Commissioner Werenicz inquired if compensation was legal .
38 Commissioner Gondorchin questioned whether this would be
39 compensation or a per diem. Urbia will research the matter but
40 noted that the Association of Metropolitan Municipalities had
41 advised that no planning commission members in the
42 metropolitan area receive any compensation .
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44 Commissioner Franzese felt work rendered by commissioners is
45 recognized by compensation but this is not being proposed for
46 'next year ' s budget . She also felt the dollar amount mentioned
47 is not significant .
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49 Chairperson Faust felt compensation is appropriate.
50 Commissioner Werenicz does not support compensation.
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6 Commissioner Murphy does not support -compensation but recalled
7 that cable representatives did receive basic service and two
8 premium channels without cost .
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10 Urbia will also look into reimbursement for mileage for
11 commissioners to attend seminars and travel within the City.
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13 Commissioner Franzese felt the minutes should speak for
14 themselves and the Commission should take no action.
15 Commissionr Werenicz felt since the Commission members were
16 divided on the issue a vote should be taken.
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18 Motion by Faust , second by Werenicz that the City Council
19 consider compensating Planning Commission members .
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21 Roll call : Thompson , Faust - aye
22 Werenicz, Murphy, Gondochin - nay
23 Franzese, Madden - abstain
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25 Motion fails
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27 B. Planning Commission Parking Subcommittee
0 This item will be tabled until the December meeting of the
30 Planning Commission.
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32 Commissioner Madden inquired when the results of the survey
33 will be completed. Urbia responded they will be ready by
34 March .
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36 Chairperson Faust observed that a subcommittee would allow for
37 non-public meetings to discuss this sensitive matter.
38 Commissioner Gondorchin felt definitions of various types of
39 vehicles would be helpful for the subcommittee. Urbia will get
40 this information .
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42 Urbia felt the subcommittee could probably start meeting in
43 January or February. Staff will gather some preliminary
44 information for the subcommittee. The Chairperson recommended
45 that staff contact the City of Edina regarding its
46 recreational vehicle policy.
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48 Commissioner Madden stated his interest in being involved in
49 the process but felt an ordinance would be needed. He noted
50 that nearly all of those residents who attended previous
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6 meetings where this topic was discussed were against any
7 ordinance which prohibited parking of this type of vehicle.
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9 Commissioner Murphy requested a clarification regarding the
10 surveys . Urbia advised that the present survey addresses
11 community needs and another survey will be done in March . He
12 also suggested that a work session be held by the Planning
13 Commission to hammer out definitions .
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15 Commissioner Gondochin noted he had participated in the phone
16 survey and felt it was difficult to respond thoroughly with
17 this format .
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19 Urbia advised the Planning Commission that the property owner
20 of the parcel located on the southeast corner of 37th Avenue
21 and Silver Lake Road is interested in building a six foot
22 fence along 37th Avenue. He inquired what position the
23 Commission members may have on this request .
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25 It was noted that the house is for sale. Commissioner Thompson
26 felt the house should never have been built there but rather
27 a right hand turn lane should have been installed.
Commissioner Madden suggested the hill should be cut down for
visibility . The majority of the Planning Commission members
30 were opposed to this fence being built .
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32 Chairperson Faust acknowledged Rosemary Franzese' s election to
33 the Hennepin County Park Board and congratulated her.
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35 8 . COMMISSIONER' S COMMENTS
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37 Commissioner Madden inquired as .to the status of the CUB Food
38 Store project at Apache Plaza . Urbia responded that it is
39 moving along.
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41 Commissioner Murphy requested current information regarding
42 the Athletic Sports Boosters offer for renovation of Central
43 Park. Commissioner Gondorchin advised that the School Board
44 will be receiving the funds and can make changes later.
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46 Commissioner Murphy inquired as to the status of the Housing
47 Maintenance Code. Urbia responded that it was passed and there
48 was only one problem, that being with the section on
49 composting .
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8 Motion by Madden, second by Murphy to adjourn the Planning
9 Commission Meeting at 10 : 45 p.m.
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