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• CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
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3 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
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5 JANUARY 19, 1993
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8 1 . CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
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10 The meeting was called to order at 7 : 00 p .m. and the Pledge of
11 Allegiance was led by Chair Faust .
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14 2 . ROLL CALL
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16 Commissionmembers Present : Thompson , Franzese , Gondorchin ,
17 Murphy, Werenicz , Madden and Faust
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19 Staff Present : City Manager Burt and Management Assistant
20 Urbia
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23 3 . APPROVAL OF JANUARY 19 , 1993 AGENDA
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25 Commissioner Madden advised that members of the Commission had
previously determined that agenda approval is no longer
necessary . This item was removed from the agenda .
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30 4 . APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 15 , 1992 MEETING MINTUES
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32 Motion by Franzese, second by Gondorchin to approve the
33 minutes of the December 15 , 1992 Planning Commission meeting
34 with the following corrections :
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37 page 2 , lines 27/28 : delete "what was formerly"
38 page 3 , line 11 : "requests" is singular , remove the "s"
39 page 3 , line 33 : Insert between "Commissioner" and "he" the
40 words "stated that"
41 page 4 , lines 22 , 23 & 24 : Delete this entire paragraph
42 page 4 , line 27 : Delete the word "only"
43 page 4 , line 34 : Correct "he" to "the"
44 page 5, line 51 : "paycheck" should be corrected to "payback"
45 page 6 , line 37 : Delete the word "be" at the end of the line
46 page 8 , line 44 : Insert between "do" and "can" the word "so"
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48 Referring to the corrections for the November 17 , 1992
49 Planning Commission meeting, Commissioner Franzese inquired
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6 why "Chairperson" was corrected to "Chair. " Commissioner
7 Madden advised that this change had been made in the
8 Commission ' s by-laws .
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10 Motion carried unanimously
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14 5 . DESIGNATION OF COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE TO THE FEBRUARY 9 ,
15 1993 CITY COUNCIL MEETING
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17 The rotation indicates it would be Commissioner Franzese ' s
18 turn to represent the Commission at the February 9 , 1993
19 Council Meeting. Commissioner Franzese advised she may not be
20 available at this time. Commissioner Gondorchin stated he may
21 be able to attend. Commissioner Madden also stated he would be
22 available .
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24 Urbia advised there may be no need for a representative from
25 the Planning Commission to attend the February 9th meeting as
there may be no agenda item which pertains to the Planning
Commission .
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30 6 . PUBLIC HEARINGS
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32 There were no public hearings .
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35 7 . MISCELLANEOUS
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37 A. South End Redevelopment Review
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39 A letter had been sent to property owners within 300 feet of
40 the redevelopment area informing them of this review. These
41 are the same property owners who received a mailing regarding
42 the "Walgreen ' s" proposed project .
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44 Using an overhead, the City Manager reviewed the engineering
45 consultant ' s concept drawings for the proposed road
46 realignment in the redevelopment area. It was stated that this
47 review , is for information so that St . Anthony residents will
48 be aware of the proposed changes and have an opportunity for
49 answers to any questions or concerns .
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6 A graph reflected the existing roadway as well as the proposed
7 realignment . The City Manager advised that the removal of
8 Rosie ' s Restaurant and the Good Luck Cafe should be completed
9 within forty-five days . The Rosie ' s Restaurant property will
10 be converted into two residential lots . The trees which will
it be taken with this acquisition will be replaced .
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13 It is felt with the development of the two residential lots
14 and the placement of berms , the impact on the surrounding
15 neighborhood ' s residential profile will be minimal
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17 The realignment will cause some lots to either gain or to lose
18 some property area . Those who lose property will be
19 compensated . Bona ' s service station and Mr . Levandowski will
20 gain property .
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22 Access to the service station off 27th Avenue will be
23 eliminated and access to the meat market building will be
24 limited to Kenzie Terrace. Commissioner Madden was of the
25 opinion that to bring stock into the meat market building via
the front door would be very unusual .
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28 In response to an inquiry from Commissioner Franzese, the City
29 Manager stated there will be no need for additional
30 signalization .
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32 A resident voiced his concern regarding the disposition of
33 water with this redevelopment . He lives near the proposed
34 realignment and has experienced water in his basement .
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36 The City .Manager advised there will be no additional water
37 introduced into the storm sewer system. There will be no
38 additional paved surfaces and there will be some green spaces
39 included in the area .
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41 This project will not be assessable to the benefitting
42 property owners . All of the funding will come from the Tax
43 Increment District .
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45 The owner of the service station , Roger Bona , stated his
46 opposition to any restrictions on access to his business and
47 to his building. The City Manager advised him he will be
48 gaining property.
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5 The City Manager explained that the berm height will be
6 approximately three feet which will remove the initial shock
7 of headlights . Trees will also be planted on top of the berm
8 with an expected maturity of several years.
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i0 A late April construction start is expected for the -project
11 with a completion sometime in September . Preliminary platting
12 of the two newly-created residential lots will be presented at
13 the neighborhood meetings . The lots will be sold by sealed
14 bid. The City Manager felt there was a potential for building
15 homes valued about $110 , 000 and there will be a one year
16 construction period stipulated in the purchase agreements .
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18 Commissioner Madden expressed concern with the access to the
19 meat market building. The City Manager stated that this
20 building is also owned by Roger Bona . Mr. Bona has submitted
21 three different plans for changing the buildings on his
22 property. The City Manager felt there may be some questions
23 regarding access if the property were sold. "Access taking"
24 would be a tool the City could use if this happened.
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Commissioner Franzese inquired as to the potential for legal
action against the City if access were taken . The City Manager
28 responded that everyone has the ability to make a claim
29 against the City. The Commissioner noted she was surprised
30 that the engineering consultant did not conduct a water study
31 in conjunction with this project .
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33 The City Manager will contact the engineering firm regarding
34 the potential water problems mentioned by the Commissioner and
35 the resident .
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37 Cub Update
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39 The City Manager advised the Commissioners that the Cub
40 project is on track. He noted that the Council has never
41 viewed the Super Valu project for 18th and Central Avenues as
42 competition but rather focused exclusively on the Apache Plaza
43 project . Super Valu has abandoned the site at 18th and Central
44 for a project . He expects the Apache Plaza store plans
45 to be finalized at the first Council meeting in February .
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47 The drainage plan for the project will be submitted to the
48 Rice Creek Watershed District in the second week of February.
49 Barr Engineering has been hired to review standards so they
50 meet the" NURP requirements .
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2 JANUARY 19, 1993
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6 Staff has been approached by a group of dentists who wish to
7 construct an 8 , 300 square foot office building at 39th Avenue
8 and Silver Lake Road. This building will house s.ix dentist ' s
9 offices . The dentists will do the bonding and pay for all
10 improvements required . They will use the "pay as you go"
11 method on the bonds . The City Manager explained this strategy.
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13 The dentists have requested a land write down in the amount of
14 $125, 000 . It is anticipated this project , if approved, will
15 commence in March and no variances will be needed -at this
16 point in time. The Tax Increment District is '-still being
17 viewed for a ten year payback even with the inclusion of this
18 building.
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20 Commissioner Franzese inquired what the future ofthe New Market build-
21 may be. The City Manager has been advised that there is a ing
22 proposal for use of the entire building but was not at liberty
23 to give further information .
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25 Commissioner Gondorchin wanted to know if the impact of
increased traffic on Silver Lake Road from patrons of the Cub
Store had been considered during the reconstruction
28 discussions . The City Manager noted that it had been a
29 consideration but that no significant impact is expected as
30 peak traffic times are not when people traditionally go to the
31 grocery store . This traffic pattern is more constant .
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33 The City Manager advised that zero lot line and setback
34 variance requests will have to come before the Planning
35 Commission . This will be a future agenda item.
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37 B . Accessory Structure Permit
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39 This information is being presented by the City Attorney to
40 the Planning Commission as a method that could allow
41 flexibility for the City in finding a hardship to allow a
42 variance . Previously, the ordinance made this very difficult .
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44 Staff is requesting input on the wording of this information
45 for inclusion in the new code. Also, amending the code just
46 for the building season could be a consideration .
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. 48 Commissioner Madden inquired as to what the present
49 requirements are for putting up a shed.
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6 Urbia responded a permit must be applied for and the shed must
7 comply with the Uniform Building Code. Commissioner Madden
8 inquired what the requirements are for sheds already built .
9 Urbia noted that a cement pad is necessary and a permit
10 probably would be required for prefab shed.
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12 Discussion continued regarding meeting certain standards ,
13 future requests for double garages and possible locations for
14 garages . It was noted that presently only garages which are to
i5 be located beside or behind the house are addressed and only
16 side or rear. yard setbacks would be needed.
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18 Urbia noted that the Council prefers only side or rear
i9 setbacks .
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21 Commissioner Madden inquired what impacts storage sheds may
22 have on neighbors . Urbia will pursue this information . He also
23 suggested that perhaps sheds should not be included in this
24 section of the code since the initial interest was only for
25 garages .
0 Commissioner Murphy felt that the dimensions are confusing as
28 worded and suggested there may be no need to include
29 dimensions as they could be viewed as arbitrary.
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31 Commissioner Werenicz felt a "permit" hearing would be
32 necessary rather than a "variance" hearing and meeting the
33 three conditions for a hardship would no longer be needed.
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35 Chair Faust and Commissioner Franzese felt the dimensions
36 should remain in the code. Chair Faust suggested the
37 dimensions would allow the Planning Commission more
38 flexibility .and would comply better with the law.
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40 Urbia stated that this section of the code may require
41 rewriting in a few years as dimensions may be subject to
42 change.
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44 Members of the Commission felt that the phrase "or other
45 drawing" should be deleted from Subsection 2 and that only a
46 survey be required . It was also a consensus of Commission
47 members to delete (b) and any reference to storage buildings
48 and sheds . Urbia will change the title of this section to more
49 accurately reflect what is being addressed.
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6 Motion by Madden , second by Murphy to recommend Section
7 1xxx . 01 . as presented with the deletion of (b) in Subsection
8 2 and delete "or other drawing. "
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10 Motion carried unanimously
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13 C. Sian Ordinance - Amortization
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15 Staff had been requested to research the -concept of the useful
16 life of a sign . Three larger sign companies were contacted to
17 determine if there is an industry standard or other
18 guidelines .
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20 Representatives of all three companies gave similar answers
21 regarding the useful life of a sign . They noted that materials
22 used impact on the life of a sign . If a metal cabinet is used
23 the 1-i f e can be anywhere from ten to twenty years . The surface
24 cover will usually wear out before the cabinet or become
25 outdated.
Chair Faust felt ten years was a reasonable time to allow a
28 non-conforming sign . Commissioner Werenicz agreed with a ten
29 year allowance of time and felt twenty years was too long.
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31 Commissioner Madden inquired how many non-conforming signs
32 were located in St . Anthony . Urbia did not have the exact
33 number but noted there were a few.
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35 Motion by Faust , second by Werenicz to recommend that the City
36 Council adopt a ten year amortization deadline for legal , non-
37 conforming signs from the effective date of the amendment to
38 the sign ordinance .
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41 Motion carried unanimously
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44 D. Lotsplit Issue Research
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46 Urbia advised this is a moot issue in that this matter is
47 already included in the new ordinance. He will get a copy of
48 the new ordinance to all members of the Planning Commission .
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6 E. Parking Subcommittee
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8 Urbia provided a copy of the recently adopted Edina Parking
9 Ordinance .
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11 Commissionr Gondorchin had presented a checklist of issues to
12 consider in the old parking ordinance . The ordinance has been
13 recodified and staff is requesting input from members of the
14 Commission regarding definitions , provisions and any issues
15 which may need clarifying.
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17 Discussion continued regarding the establishment of a Parking
18 Subcommittee . Having this on the agenda of a Planning
19 Commission work session was the desire of some of the
20 Commission members . It was agreed that the work session was to
21 be a public meeting but would not allow public input . It was
22 also agreed that notification of this meeting should be made
23 in a similar fashion as all other public meetings .
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25 Commissioner Gondorchin had hoped this issue could have been
dealt with earlier so it could have been in effect before the
0 next storage season .
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29 Motion by Madden , second by Murphy that the Planning
30 Commission schedule a work session to discuss the parking
31 ordinance and that the work session be published in the same
32 manner as the City Counicl work sessions are published.
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34 Commissioner Franzese inquired as to the objections to using
35 the ordinance adopted by the City of Edina . She noted that
36 City had studied the issue for many months . Commissioner
37 Werenicz felt it could be a helpful tool . Commissioner
38 Gondorchin stated that the Edina ordinance did not include any
39 definitions as regards weight , load limits , etc .
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41 The date and time for the Planning Commission work session was
42 set at 5 : 30 p.m. on February 17 , 1993 . Box lunches were
43 suggested.
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46 Roll call : Thompson , Franzese, Gondorchin , Murphy ,
47 Werenicz, Madden - aye
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49 Faust - nay
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6 F. Elect Chair and Vice Chair
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8 Commissioner Madden noted that the Chair and the Vice Chair
9 are elected, not appointed .
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11 Nominations were opened by Chair Faust .
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13 Motion by Franzese, second by Murphy to nominate Jerry Faust
14 for Chair .
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16 Motion by Franzese, second by Madden to close nominations for
17 Chair .
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19 Motion carried unanimously
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22 Roll call on Chair nomination : Thompson, Franzese , Gondorchin,
23 Murphy, Werenicz , Madden - aye
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25 Faust - abstain
0 Motion by Madden , second by Murphy to nominate Rick Werenicz
28 for Vice Chair .
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30 Motion by Franzese , second by Murphy to close nominations for
31 Vice Chair .
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33 Motion carried unanimously
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36 Roll call on Vice Chair nomination :
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39 Motion carried unanimously
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42 Commissioner Franzese thanked Jerry Faust for his past year ' s
43 efforts and stated her appreciation for his willingness to
44 serve for another year .
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47 S . STAFF UPDATE
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49 A. By Laws
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6 Urbia advised that the Plannng Commission by laws were
7 approved by the City Council .
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9 B. 1993 Calendar
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11 Members of the Planning Commission received copies of the
12 1993 Planning Commission calendar .
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14 C . Planning Commissioner Terms of Office
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16 A staff report was prepared by Urbia stating the terms of
17 office for members of the Planning Commission .
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19 D. Letter From Chair of Planning Commission
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21 Copies of a letter dated December 21 , 1992 from the
22 Planning Commission Chair to members of the City Council
23 were included in the agenda packet .
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25 The letter reviewed the activities , accomplishments and
issues addressed by the Planning Commission in 1992 . The
letter also recognized the hard work of the city staff
28 and members of the Planning Commission as well as the
29 cooperation of the City Council .
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31 E . Staff Report - Sign Ordinance Issue
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33 Previously, Commissioner Madden had suggested that Subs .
34 2 ( 1 ) be amended to require each identification sign
35 allowed per right-of-way frontage to face the frontage .
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37 Urbia noted that the staff recommendation is to allow
38 more flexibility in these types of situations . Staff also
39 felt a more restrictive ordinance could be viewed as
40 harassing business owners in the City. Urbia stated that
41 members of the Planning Commission can discuss this
42 matter directly with members of the City Council . It
43 would not be a problem to change the newly recodified
44 ordinance .
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46 Commissioner Madden inquired what was the rationale to
47 allow two signs on a business which fronts on two
48 streets . Urbia responded this would afford the business
49 more visibility .
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6 Chair Faust suggested the City Council , at its annual
7 retreat , address non-conforming signs as well as sign
8 ordinance enforcement .
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10 Commissioner Madden inquired as to the response from the
11 City Council regarding the illegal signs at Stop ' N'
12 Shop . Commissioner Murphy, who attended the Council
13 Meeting where these signs were discussed, advised they
14 did not discuss this illegality . He noted that the
15 Council unanimously approved the "B5" type of sign for
16 this business .
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18 Commissioner Madden observed that even though there is a
19 newly approved sign ordinance the City Council has
20 already approved illegal signs in a Comprehensive Sign
21 Plan . He suggested the Planning Commission should no
22 longer discuss signs .
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24 The Chair also felt the sign ordinance should be enforced
25 and that some enforcement plan should be considered . It
�p should be enforced fairly and firmly was the opinion of
�j Chair Faust and not have enforcement left to the staff .
28 He also stated that the Planning Commission should
29 articulate its concerns with enforcement and observed
30 that the Planning Commission has spent considerable time
31 and effort on sign regulations and now there are already
32 violations of the new ordinance . He recognizes that the
33 problems did not happen overnight and wi'll not be solved
34 overnight .
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36 Commissioner Franzese requested that Urbia obtain the
37 City ' s policy regarding sign code enforcement and
38 implementation . Commissioner Werenicz had requested this
39 information several months ago and he felt enforcement
40 was a process of notifications . He stated that an
41 ordinance is a law and it is being broken in the City and
42 should be enforced .
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44 Commissioner Franzese noted that the subcommittee on the
45 sign ordinance had spent considerable time on developing
46 a workable sign ordinance and had reviewed ease of
47 enforcement . Commissioner Murphy felt that presently
48 there is uneven enforcement or no enforcement .
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6 Commissioner Madden felt .there was uneven enforcement . He
7 cited an instance of non-conforming signs in his
8 neighborhood which he had reported to staff on numerous
9 occasions . He felt his concerns had been ignored.
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11 Motion by Franzese, second by Madden to inform the City
12 Council there is a perception that there is a lack of
13 enforcement of the sign ordinance which is a frustration
14 to the members of the Planning Commission , and that the
15 Pl-ann-ing Commission requests that the City Council
16 provide guidance to the City staff on the enforcement of
17 the new sign ordinance in view of the preceived lack of
18 enforcement of the previous ordinance.
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21 Motion carried unanimously
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24 Referring to the issue addressed in Subd. 2 ( 1 ) ,
25 Commissioner Madden feels this subsection should be
stated so it is understood the intent was for one sign to
face one street and not two signs facing the same street .
28 He felt identification signs were intended to face two
29 different streets and not as staff had recommended.
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31 Motion by Madden, second by Franzese to recommend to the
32 City Council the sign ordinance be amended to require
33 each idenfication sign face one right-of-way frontage ;
34 one sign per frontage only.
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36 Motion carried unanimously
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38 9 . COMMISSIONER' S COMMENTS
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40 a . Commissioner Franzese ' s Comments
41 Commissioner Franzese referred to the second by- law of the
42 Commission ' s by-laws which addressed procedures if additional
43 meetings of the Commission are necessary. She was referring
44 specifically to the method for calling such meetings or work
45 sessions .
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47 For the upcoming Planning Commission work session, staff was
48 requested to bring the video which recorded potential parking
49 problems in the City and some documentation regarding weights
50 and load limits .
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6 b. Commissioner Gondorchin ' s Comments
7 Commissioner Gondorchin serves on the Environmental/Water
8 Quality Commission . He advised the next meeting is scheduled
9 for February 11th . Field trips are being planned for members
10 of this commission and a resident handbook on recycling issues
11 is being considered .
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13 c . Commissioner Madden ' s Comments
14 Commissioner Madden observed there is a second wall sign
15 located at the Northgate Office Park . He recalled there had
16 been a variance granted for a second wall sign for a tanning
17 parlor but this business is no longer in the office park .
18 Staff will pursue this matter .
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20 Staff advised that neighborhood meetings regarding the
21 proposed street paving projects will be held in February and
22 March.
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25 10 . ADJOURNMENT
OFMotion by Franzese , second by Thompson to adjourn the meeting
28 at 10 : 05 p .m.
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30 Motion carried unanimously
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35 Respectfully submitted,
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