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Document: PL MINUTES 07181995
1 CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
02 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
3 JULY 18, 1995
4 I. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
.5 The meeting was called to order and the Pledge of Allegiance was led by Chair Bergstrom at
6 7:01 P.M.
7 II. ROLL CALL.
8 Commissioners present: Bergstrom, Makowske, Horst, Faust, Franzese, and Thompson.
9 Commissioners absent: Gondorchin
10 Also present: Kim Moore-Sykes, Management Assistant, Ruth McLaurin, Recording
11 Secretary.
12 III. APPROVAL OF JULY 18, 1995 PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.
13 Chair Bergstrom asked if there were any additions or changes to the July 18, 1995 Planning
14 Commission agenda.
165 Commissioner Franzese requested the addition of three items:
16 E. Conditional Use Permits
17 F. Current Developments and Updates-Apache
18 G. Community Center/City Hall Plans-Update
19 Motion by Franzese, second by Makowske, to approve the Planning Commission agenda for
20 July 18, 1995.
21 Motion carried unanimously.
22 IV. APPROVAL OF JUNE 20, 1995 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES.
23 Motion by Makowske, second by Franzese, to approve the Planning Commission minutes of
24 June 20, 1995 as presented.
25 Motion carried unanimously.
26 V. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
27 There were no Public Hearings scheduled for this meeting.
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Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes
• July 18, 1995
Page 2
1 VI. MISCELLANEOUS.
2 A. Review of Request for Placement of Accessory Building.
3 Management Assistant Kim Moore-Sykes reported that Mr. William Gresko, General Manager
4 of Landis & Gyr Powers, Inc., is requesting approval to place a temporary, 10 foot by 40 foot
5 storage trailer on the property at 2808 Anthony Lane South. The storage trailer will be
6 located to the west rear of the building and will serve as storage of non-hazardous
7 construction material, such as pipe, pipe fittings, ladders and other miscellaneous construction
8 tools.
9 Mr. Gresko indicated in his application that the storage trailer is necessary due to significant
10 growth that Landis & Gyr Powers, Inc. has experienced in the last five years. They will need
11 the storage trailer to remain on site until December 31, 1996.
12 Moore-Sykes noted a letter from the property owner indicating he has no objection to the
13 temporary storage trailer.
14 Moore-Sykes indicated staff recommends approval of the request to place a temporary storage
465 trailer at their site until.December 31, 1996.
16 Commissioner Franzese inquired if this business is cyclical and also if the Fire Marshall had
17 reviewed the request. Moore-Sykes referred the questions to Mr. Gresko who was present.
18 Mr. Gresko indicated the necessity for the accessory building was for needed storage space
19 until additional property can be purchased or a new site is purchased. He indicated their lease
20 is up on December 31, 1996.
21 Commissioner Makowske inquired how close the trailer would be to the trees at the rear of
22 the property. Mr. Gresko indicated approximately 30 feet, but the actual property line is
23 behind the trees, at the ditch.
24 Commissioner Faust inquired if notification of the nearby properties was given by staff.
25 Moore-Sykes indicated proper notification was given and there has been no response.
26 Commissioner Makowske indicated he would like to pass on a comment to the City Council
27 and reiterate this is only a temporary storage trailer and he would not like the permit to
28 extend after December 31, 1996.
29 Commissioner Franzese encouraged Mr. Gresko to look within St. Anthony for another larger
30 location. She noted some properties that might serve their purpose.
01 Motion by Faust, second by Thompson, to recommend City Council approval for the request
32 to place a temporary, 10 foot by 40 foot storage trailer on the property at 2808 Anthony Lane
33 South, until December 31, 1996.
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1 Commissioner Franzese presented a friendly amendment: subject to Fire Marshall review and
2 approval.
3 Motion carried unanimously.
4 Chair Bergstrom indicated this topic would be discussed at the July 25, 1995 Regular Council
5 meeting.
6 Chair Bergstrom noted he had spoken earlier with Ms. Moore-Sykes, regarding receiving
7 information packets sooner than the Friday before the meeting. Moore-Sykes indicated it
8 should be possible to send the packets out earlier. This would provide more time for a
9 commissioner who wishes to visit a property or study the issue more thoroughly before the
10 meeting.
11 Commissioner Faust indicated the City Council meeting minutes might not be able to be
12 contained in the packet if it is sent out earlier. Moore-Sykes indicated perhaps she could
13 include the draft copy sent by the Secretarial Service or send out the minutes under a separate
14 cover.
405 Commissioner Franzese also requested, as Ordinances are revised, could the revision date be
6 added to the page, so Commissioners would know they have the most recent copy of the
17 Ordinance. Moore-Sykes indicated that would be no problem.
18 B. Review of Census and Demographic Information.
19 Management Assistant Kim Moore-Sykes briefly reviewed the information regarding Census
20 information obtained in 1990. She indicated this is for information purposes only, no action
21 is required.
22 Chair Bergstrom indicated to the Commission that at the last meeting, he had requested Ms.
23 Moore-Sykes to obtain two Table of Contents from two cities' Comprehensive Plan. Moore-
24 Sykes indicated she was unable to obtain any, it seems all the other cities are also updating
25 their Comprehensive Plans at the same time.
26 Mr. Bob Davis from the Metropolitan Council interjected, that Roseville had just submitted
27 their Comprehensive Plan to the Met Council and they may have some information for Ms.
28 Moore-Sykes.
29 Chair Bergstrom indicated he will also have information from Skokie, Illinois that may help
30 show some trends that are similar to those of St. Anthoby.
9 1 Commissioner Faust indicated although the information is good, the Commission is not
2 qualified to evaluate the information, and a professional planner would be more qualified. He
33 expressed concern the Commissioners may apply bias based on numbers when they are not
34 qualified to evaluate the numbers.
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July 18, 1995
Page 4
1 Chair Bergstrom concurred with Commissioner Faust's comments and noted the information
2 of the Census and Demographics are ten years old and many things can happen in a ten year
3 period.
4 Commissioner Franzese noted it is also interesting that the reports themselves do not match.
5 D. Met Council Discussion of Comp Plan Updating Preparation.
6 Chair Bergstrom introduced Mr. Hal Freshley and Mr. Bob Davis from the Metropolitan
7 Council and thanked them for attending.
8 Mr. Bob Davis indicated he works in the Local Government Assistance Section. He noted he
9 brought information regarding statistics.
10 Mr. Davis indicated Michael Munson and Kathy Johnson can also assist the City with any
11 questions they may have during the process of updating their Comprehensive Plan.
12 Mr. Hal Freshley presented a copy of the Blue Print, which is a document to help
13 municipalities develop their Comprehensive Plan. He noted the only change would be to the
40 4 executive summary.
15 Mr. Freshley noted the Legislature has not been happy with the Met Council, some say the
16 Met Council is doing too much and others say the Met Council is not involved enough. This
17 has been frustrating to staff.
18 Mr. Freshley indicated the membership of the Met Council has changed and the chair is Dotty
19 Reitow. The Met Council has been rethinking its role. He noted now there is an overlapping
20 between the Planning, Transportation and Sanitary Water System.
21 Mr. Freshley indicated there is now a change with the Met Council and its relationship to
22 communities. He noted there is the Metropolitan Liveable Community Act and Amendment
23 to the Metropolitan Planned Act.
24 Mr. Freshley pointed-out there are grant programs. There is one fund, but actually three
25 accounts.
26 Mr. Freshley noted first there is the tax based revitalization which cleans up the land and
27 reutilizes industrial land. This grant is $5-6 million dollars annually and helps get land where
28 a tax base is available.
29 Mr. Freshley noted there is the Metropolitan Liveable Community Demonstration Act which
0 tries to enhance the sense of community through Community Centers. The desire is to create
1 more density to knit the community back together by mixing housing and retail, making
32 businesses walking distance to homes. Monies set aside in 1995 are available in 1996.
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July 18, 1995
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1 Mr. Freshley indicated the third account is the Affordable Housing Funds, this is aimed at life
2 cycle housing. If a community participates, the money is available. The question for a
3 community is how the community is going to meet the need of the older residents wishing to
4 stay within the community.
5 Mr. Freshley indicated the Metropolitan Planned Act addressed the requirement for the
6 Comprehensive Plan update. He noted the Met Council is requiring municipalities to update
7 their Comprehensive Plans by 1998 and update every 10 years from then on.
8 Mr. Freshley indicated in the early 70's the Comprehensive plan, if different than the Zoning
9 Plan the Comprehensive Plan, would answer to the Zoning Plan. He noted now the Zoning
10 Plan must follow the Comprehensive Plan. This will provide for major changes.
11 Mr. Freshley indicated the Blue Print document he presented earlier will provide a guideline
12 to the City for the development of their Comprehensive Plan. It will show what the Met
13 Council will look for. He noted some of the items to address will be:
14 1) Redevelopment Planning-Reinvestment in the Community.
15 2) Relationship between the Economic Development Advisory Boards and the
466 Planning Department within the City.
7 3) Ways in which the City can enhance the sense of community.
18 4) Environmental issues.
19 5) Guided Growth-MUSA (although this does not apply to St. Anthony).
20 Mr. Freshley indicated the information within the Blue Print is very interesting and
21 encouraged the Commissioners to read it.
22 Chair Bergstrom noted the Blue Print was written two years ago, would there be an update.
23 Mr. Freshley indicated the document is still being used, the only update would be perhaps in
24 the executive summary.
25 Mr. Freshley indicated there also is a handbook for municipalities on how to interpret the
26 Blue Print.
27 Commissioner Faust inquired about legislation regarding Water Management. Mr. Freshley
28 indicated he was just guessing, but he believed it was in regards to run off and quality of
29 drinking water.
30 Commissioner Franzese inquired about adopting a new fiscal device. Mr. Freshley indicated
31 the fiscal device would need to be consistent with the Comprehensive Plan, such as a Tax
32 Increment Financing District would need to be consistent with the Comprehensive Plan.
03 Mr. Davis provided additional documents, he indicated the information is how the Met
34 Council views St. Anthony..
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July 18, 1995
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1 as a Tax Increment Financing District would need to be consistent with the
2 Comprehensive Plan.
3 Mr. Davis provided additional documents, he indicated the information is how the Met
4 Council views St. Anthony.
5 Mr. Davis indicated the Met Council monitors housing permits this is their way of getting
6 a handle on what's happening in the Community.
7 Mr. Davis noted some of items the Met Council looks for are:
8 1) Preliminary meeting, reviewing the Comprehensive Plan and keeping in touch
9 with the Met Council throughout the process.
10 2) Submission of the Comprehensive Plan to neighboring communities.
11 3) Public Hearing-review of the Comprehensive Plan by the Planning Commission,
12 sent to the Met Council before final City approval.
•13 4) Address development and impact on water/drainage flow.
14 5) Impact of regional recreation.
15 6) Traffic issues.
16 7) Storm Water Pond.
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18 8) MPCA.
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20 9) Shoreline Management Ordinance.
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22 10) Housing Policy.
23 11) Costs of updating Comprehensive Plan.
24 Mr. Davis indicated the City should use the forecast provided by the Met Council so that
25 everyone has the same information. If the City has concerns or questions they should
26 contact the Met Council as early in the process as possible so that issues can be resolved
27 early in the process.
28 Commissioner Franzese inquired about low cost housing and the trailer court within St.
9 Anthony. Mr. Freshley indicated low income housing does have to be provided for within
0 the City, but it does not have to be within the same neighborhood.
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• July 18, 1995
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1 Mr. Davis indicated what the City would be giving the Met Council in their Comprehensive
2 Plan is its desires and plans, therefore, libraries can be included.
3 Chair Bergstrom inquired if the Met Council could provide the City with a budget plan for
4 consulting costs. Mr. Freshley indicated he could provide a range of costs in regards to
5 consulting.
6 Chair Bergstrom inquired as to grants, and funding available. Mr. Freshley indicated there is
7 a loan program, the only grant program is the Metropolitan Liveable Community Act.
8 Commissioner Faust expressed concern regarding water issues, he was unsure how to address
9 the issues. Mr. Davis indicated both storm water and run off have tougher laws. He
10 suggested contacting Mr. Gary Obritz to obtain information on how to address these issues in
11 the Comprehensive Plan.
12 Chair Bergstrom indicated perhaps an erosion control would better serve St. Anthony.
13 Commissioner Faust indicated St. Anthony deals with run off from three communities and
14 three counties.
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16 Chair Bergstrom indicated the rules for the Comprehensive Plan indicates the Municipality
17 Implementation Plan go through the Planning Commission.
18 Mr. Davis indicated the City has come a long way just by having this informational meeting.
19 Chair Bergstrom inquired if there are any other first string suburbs that are working on their
20 Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Davis indicated Roseville has updated theirs and he will check if
21 there are any others that he may get the Table of Contents from.
22 Chair Bergstrom reviewed the process. First the Planning Commission reviews and
23 comments, then to the Met Council for review and comment, and then back to the City
24 Council for final approval.
25 Mr. Davis indicated the Met Council has 60 days to get the Comprehensive Plan back to the
26 City. He noted if there are no conflicts, the City can put the Comprehensive Plan into effect
27 immediately or if there are conflicts, as soon as those are resolved the Comprehensive Plan
28 can go into effect.
29 Chair Bergstrom inquired if the Capital Improvement Plan should be part of the
30 Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Davis indicated it is not required, but is encouraged.
01 Commissioner Makowske inquired if the Comprehensive Plan should indicated how it is going
32 to keep itself current. Mr. Freshley indicated it is not required, but encouraged, portion may
33 note when the issue will be revisited.
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1 Commissioner Faust commented the document can be made a living document.
2 Commissioner Franzese inquired as to what the Met Council sees in the next 20 years in
3 regards to local control. Mr. Freshley believed it will be very similar to the way it is today in
4 regards to local control, perhaps services will be shared, but as far as civic control he feels it
5 will remain the same.
6 Chair Bergstrom thanked the gentlemen from the Met Council for attending.
7 D. City Council Meeting Minutes
8 Commissioner Faust inquired on page 6, line 1 of the June 27, 1995 meeting, is this issue
9 resolved. Moore-Sykes indicated the issue is very close to being resolved and Mr. Gregory
10 has been keeping the City Manager informed of the progress.
11 Commissioner Faust inquired if the issue regarding screening had also been addressed.
12 Moore-Sykes indicated this had been resolved previously.
13 Commissioner Faust noted on page 5, line 1, what type of redevelopment would this be.
404 Moore-Sykes indicated this was in response to the Public Notice of the Tax Increment
5 Financing Districts, there are no current plans.
16 Commissioner Faust also inquired to the discussion about Lowry. Moore-Sykes noted
17 currently the area is zoned R-1 and there are no current plans for redevelopment.
18 Commissioner Makowske noted the Economic Development Advisory task force has noted
19 this area for possible redevelopment.
20 Commissioner Faust indicated there seemed to be issues that the Planning Commission is not
21 aware of. Moore-Sykes noted there has been interest in the area, but no plans.
22 Commissioner Faust noted if the discussion is at the City Council level, he feels the Planning
23 Commission should be aware of it.
24 E. Conditional Use Permits
25 Commissioner Franzese indicated she believes money drives development and tax base should
26 be a benefit to St. Anthony. She indicated she heard Representative Mary Jo McGuire state
27 businesses attract similar businesses. Commissioner Franzese indicated some cities do not
28 allow second hand stores through the Conditional Use Permit process.
19 Commissioner Franzese believes the second hand business near Apache Plaza will not attract
0 the businesses St. Anthony wants in the area.
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July 18, 1995
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1 Chair Bergstrom inquired if a review of allowable uses under the Conditional Use Permit is
2 the desire of Commissioner Franzese. Commissioner Franzese indicated that would be
3 correct.
4 Chair Bergstrom asked Commissioner Franzese to gather information and provide it at the
5 next Planning Commission meeting.
6 Commissioner Franzese felt the second hand businesses attract more low income business,
7 with the availability of exceptional public transportation.
8 Commissioner Faust expressed concern this would be "red lining" the area. He felt businesses
9 like the Salvation Army Thrift Store provides services needed in the area.
10 Commissioner Franzese felt other businesses hesitate to come into the area because of the
11 Thrift Stores, such as Target.
12 Commissioner Faust indicated he did not agree with the comment of exceptional public
13 transportation, he feels it does not serve the needs of the community in the late evening, and
14 only provides good service to downtown Minneapolis and not St. Paul. He also feels the
6 5 public transportation does not aid in servicing individuals in regards to drunk drivers.
16 Commissioner Horst disagreed with the idea other stores hesitate to come into the area
17 because of the Thrift Stores. The Target Greatland in Coon Rapids is near a Thrift Store.
18 The reason a Target has not come into the area, is because there is not enough room. He
19 feels the area needs to be viable for businesses to be drawn in.
20 Commissioner Franzese felt Representative McGuire was advocating this thinking, and it
21 should be reviewed. She noted she would provide information in the next packet.
22 F. Current Developments and Updates - Apache
23 Commissioner Franzese inquired if there was any additional information regarding the
24 redevelopment at Apache Plaza.
25 Commissioner Horst indicated there currently is no buyer for the space according to First
26 Bank, although Cub is still interested.
27 Chair Bergstrom noted Mary Rothchild from First Bank indicated they are looking exclusively
28 for commercial development. It is her understanding the building would most likely be torn
29 down and rebuilt, so current Rice Creek Watershed District standards would be followed.
0 Chair Bergstrom noted the permit would not transfer, so the new standards would need to be
1 followed any way.
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1 Commissioner Franzese noted originally she was for Cub stores going into Apache, now she
2 is having second thoughts. She believes it will change the flavor of St. Anthony by
3 increasing traffic and with Rainbow going in nearby, the necessity is not there.
4 Commissioner Franzese indicated she would like to see a commercial development that would
5 not impact the city.
6 Commissioner Faust indicated the roads serving Apache are County roads and he did not feel
7 the impact would be great.
8 Chair Bergstrom indicated the Commission could address this issue, but would have to draw
9 the line at restricting businesses coming in.
10 Commissioner Horst noted 20 years ago the Apache Plaza was very busy and the roads were
11 developed with this in mind. He felt the four lane road would well serve the traffic. He
12 noted the City's desire is to see the activity as it was 20 years ago, not to reduce the business.
13 Commissioner Faust noted value will drive the tax base and it is necessary to bring the
14 business where people are. He noted the major feeders to the Center are County roads and
46 5 were planned to support the traffic.
16 G. Community Center/City Hall Plans - Update.
17 Management Assistant Kim Moore-Sykes showed plans of the proposed.Community Center
18 and City Hall.
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20 Commissioner Faust noted in regards to questions for the Met Council, questions should be
21 given to Chair Bergstrom or Ms. Moore-Sykes instead of each Commissioner attempting to
22 contact the Met Council staff.
23 Commissioner Faust noted Mr. John Madden, a former Commissioner, is now on the Ramsey
24 County Library Board and could perhaps answer questions regarding the library.
25 Commissioner Horst excused himself at 9:45 p.m.
26 Commissioner Faust expressed concerns with lake levels and contributions of these levels
27 from other cities. He feels this should be addressed in the Comprehensive Plan.
28 Commissioner Franzese commented in regards to the Community Center, the School District
29 collects $6.95 per person for community services, she feels this money should be spent within
30 the City.
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July 18, 1995
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1 Commissioner Franzese noted the signs at Medtronic still have no plantings and asked staff to
2 review this.
3 Commissioner Makowske noted, in regards to the Comprehensive Plan, he would like to see a
4 very readable executive summary. Something that could be read by anyone, that would
5 explain the desires of St. Anthony.
6 VII. ADJOURNMENT.
7 Motion by Makowske, second by Franzese to adjourn the meeting at 9:52 p.m.
8 Motion carried unanimously.
9 Respectfully submitted,
10 Ruth McLaurin
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