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Document: PL MINUTES 10211997
1 CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
3 OCTOBER 21, 1997
4 I. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
5 The meeting was called to order and the Pledge of Allegiance was led by Chair Bergstrom at
6 7:04 P.M.
7 H. ROLL CALL.
8 Commissioners present: Chair Bergstrom; Commissioners Delmonico, Franzese,
9 Gondorchin, Horst, Makowske (arrived at 7:06 P.M.), and
10 Thompson.
11 Commissioners absent: None.
12 Also present: Kim Moore-Sykes, Management Assistant.
13 M. APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 21, 1997 PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.
14 Motion by Delmonico, seconded by Franzese, to approve the Planning Commission Agenda
15 for October 21, 1997 with the following change:
16 Under VII. Concept Review add: 2. Baker Associates, Inc., Stinson Boulevard and 33rd
17 Avenue NE.
& Motion carried unanimously.
19 IV. APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 16, 1997 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
20 MINUTES.
21 Motion by Bergstrom, seconded by Makowske, to approve the September 16, 1997 Planning
22 Commission Meeting minutes with the following changes:
23 Page 2, Line 30: Replace "that" with "as if'.
24 Page 6, Line 6: Replace "requires a" with "allows a maximum of'.
25 Page 7, Line 18: After the word "District" replace text with "currently require the same
26 limits as the standard R-1 uses".
27 Page 7, Line 21: Replace "will" with "would".
28
29 ° Motion carried unanimously.
30 V. DESIGNATE PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE FOR OCTOBER 28,
31 1997 COUNCIL MEETING.
32 Commissioner Horst was appointed as the Planning Commission representative for the
33 Tuesday, October 28, 1997, City Council meeting.
34 VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS - None.
VII. CONCEPT REVIEW.
36 1. Silver Lake Camp - Salvation Army Camp Long Range Plan Review.
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• October 21, 1997
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1 Ms. Moore-Sykes introduced Shawn McAlpine from the Salvation Army Silver Lake Camp
2 and stated he was present this evening to present changes to the camp's long range plan. The
3 camp is proposing to demolish two buildings, construct a multi-purpose building and a storage
4 building for equipment.
5 Mr. McAlpine thanked the Planning Commission for the opportunity to appear and present an
6 overview of what is going on and what is proposed for the Silver Lake Camp. The camp has
7 hired a planning consultant and is in the process of updating their existing long range plan.
8 The removal of the recreation hall is in the current plan but the removal of the girl's staff
9 dormitory is not. The camp will be removing both buildings to allow the change of location
10 of a proposed multi-purpose building. Another proposed change in the long range plan is the
11 construction of a pole barn 30 x 60 x 12 for storage of maintenance equipment and supplies.
12 This pole barn will eliminate the outside storage of equipment which can be seen from Silver
13 Lake Road due to the removal of trees during the street widening.
14 Commissioner Franzese questioned the time line of this construction.
15 Mr. McAlpine stated that the demolition of the two buildings could take place within the next
16 month. The pole barn will be a spring project and it will be at least 18 months before the
17 multi-purpose building will be constructed.
48 Commissioner Franzese asked how far out the long range plan projected.
19 Mr. McAlpine stated the long range plan is a 10 year plan. The camp has initiated 8 of the
20 13 phases of implementation of the current plan and felt it was time to review and determine
21 the next set of goals.
22 Chair Bergstrom complimented the Silver Lake Camp on its efforts both philosophically and
23 in development. He stated this is a nice facility and noted how nicely the buildings on the
24 site flow with each other.
25 Commissioner Franzese asked Mr. McAlpine if he had noticed more water on the Silver Lake
26 Camp grounds recently.
27 Mr. McAlpine stated that on some areas there appeared to be even less water than before.
28 There has been however, considerably more water on the Silver Lake Road side of the
29 property. He attributed this to water which previously ran directly into Silver Lake now
30 being piped further north on Silver Lake Road.
31 Chair Bergstrom thanked Mr. McAlpine for the opportunity to discuss the changes to the
32 camp's long range plan.
2. Baker Associates, Inc, Stinson Boulevard and 33rd Avenue NE.
4t Ms. Moore-Sykes reported that Baker Associates, Inc. has made an agreement with the owner
35 of the property at Stinson Boulevard and 33rd Avenue NE for the construction of four
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October 21, 1997
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1 townhomes on the site. This is being presented in concept review as it will be on the
2 November Planning Commission agenda for request of a variance. The front yard of the
3 proposal will be on 33rd Avenue. The site will be regraded to achieve a higher elevation in
4 the front to allow tuck-under garages in the back. This will also allow the project to retain
5 it's water on the site while at the same time providing a stylish, nice-looking unit for the area.
6 Due to the higher elevation, the developer is proposing to place a small set of steps in the
7 front yard of the property. City Ordinance states that steps, stoops and porches may only
8 extend into the front yard 5 feet. The proposed step will be approximately 15 feet into the
9 front yard and will require a variance.
10 Commissioner Franzese noted that there is a 16 foot parcel of"dead space" located to the east
11 of this property and asked if that property could be incorporated into this development.
12 Ms. Moore-Sykes reported that Mr. Fisher has tried to acquire that property but to no avail.
13 The owner of the 16 foot wide parcel, for whatever reason, does not want to sell the land.
14 Ms. Moore-Sykes noted that Staff and the developer were extremely cognizant of the water
15 issues and the contractor has been advised to seek the approval of the appropriate watershed
16 district.
Commissioner Gondorchin questioned conformance with the lot coverage and the height
q'8 requirements. He noted the garages were located to the north and asked if the rest of the area
19 to the west and south was all green space.
20 Ms. Moore-Sykes stated the proposal is within the maximum allowed lot coverage and the
21 Public Works Director has reviewed the plan and is comfortable with the height. The area to
22 the west and south are green space and there is a driveway opening in the northwest corner to
23 access the tuck-under garages.
24 Commissioner Gondorchin questioned the dotted area located in the garage.
25 Ms. Moore-Sykes stated she believed the dotted line demonstrated the location of an enclosed
26 dumpster.
27 Commissioner Gondorchin noted that it appears on the plan that there is not room for parking
28 in the driveway area. If cars were parked in that area, they would block the access of other
29 residents. In accordance with that issue, he questioned the manner in which emergency
30 vehicles would access the rear of the buildings.
31 Ms. Moore-Sykes stated that the original plan included parking on the site to the west of the
32 unit. That is no longer drawn on the proposal.
Commissioner Gondorchin suggested that if there were to be parking on the west portion of
4 the site the lot coverage should be verified.
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October 21, 1997
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1 Chair Bergstrom stated it would be nice if something could be done with this lot and that
2 philosophically he was in favor of the proposal.
3 Ms. Moore-Sykes reported Staff had met with the developer several times and the proposal
4 would fit on the site, under the maximum allowable lot coverage, even with the additional
5 parking. She was not certain if the additional parking had been removed because the footprint
6 of the building had changed or if the developer merely desired more green space on the lot.
7 She reported the developer has indicated that he has constructed townhomes of a similar style
8 in Eden Prairie.
9 The Commission directed Staff to investigate the access for emergency vehicles with Fire
10 Chief Johnson and also the amount of parking available on site.
11 VIII. OTHER BUSINESS.
12 1. Proposed Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance Establishing Regulations for Churches.
13 Temples and Synagogues.
14 Ms. Moore-Sykes noted that the Planning Commission had asked Staff to determine the
15 building coverages of the various church properties in St. Anthony. She reported the building
16 to lot coverages of the churches are as follows: Faith Methodist - 33%, Nativity Lutheran -
17 15%, Elmwood Evangelical - 7%, and St. Charles (currently) - 19%. If St. Charles is granted
permission to construct the fellowship hall, their building to lot coverage will be at
q19 approximately 24%. Ms. Moore-Sykes stated she had changed the proposed amendment to
20 require that the building to land ratio for the permitted and permitted conditional uses (a)-(e)
21 may not exceed 35%.
22 Chair Bergstrom commented that in the definition section 1605 of the code, lot coverage is
23 defined but building to lot coverage is not. He suggested that building to lot coverage should
24 be defined in Section 1605 Subd. 17a. as "the combination of square footage of all building
25 footprints divided by the total square footage of the lot".
26 Chair Bergstrom suggested that in regard to parking requirements, instead of changing
27 1650.05 Subd. 1 (11), make the change to 1650.05 f. "...subsection except by City Council
28 action or the R-1 permitted conditional uses where the petitioner can demonstrate that a.
29 specific project will not have adverse off-site parking effects".
30 Chair Bergstrom questioned if there would be benefit to include a statement in regard to total
31 lot coverage in the section of the Ordinance referring to building to land ratio. He noted that
32 as a City, there is a desire to preserve green space and to be sensitive to storm water
-33 infiltration and run-off.
34 Ms. Moore-Sykes noted that the setback requirements will offer some control of the total lot
35 coverage. She noted that the total lot coverage of the church properties are not included in
0 the Staff report.
37 Chair Bergstrom suggested that a total lot coverage percent be determined by WSB or
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October 21, 1997
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1 someone with expertise in that area.
2 Commissioner Makowske stated he believed that decision should be made by the City and that
3 any number chosen would be arbitrary. He noted that at the September Planning Commission
4 maximum total lot coverage percentages of 65% and 80% had been mentioned.
5 Chair Bergstrom asked how a 65% maximum total lot coverage would compare to existing
6 church properties total lot coverages.
7 Ms. Moore-Sykes stated that although she did not have the figures, she would estimate that
8 over half of the churches in the area are over 65% total lot coverage. She noted that other
9 cities were handling churches and other public buildings with the building to lot coverage
10 because of the parking issue. The intent was to keep the parking on-site and off the street.
11 She agreed with Commissioner Makowske that any percentage selected would be arbitrary.
12 Chair Bergstrom asked if the Commission would like to set a threshold on the total lot
13 coverage.
14 Commissioner Gondorchin agreed that any number selected would be arbitrary. He stated his
15 biggest concern was storm water run-off.
IR6 Commissioner Franzese suggested that the wording of the Ordinance be changed to be explicit
17 that the lot coverage requirements in the first sentence do not pertain to the permitted and
18 permitted conditional uses listed under (a)-(e).
19 Ms. Moore-Sykes suggested the lot coverage requirement for residential structures could be
20 listed as A. and the building to lot ratio could be listed as B. Also suggested was that at the
21 end of the building to lot ratio statement "and not to include residential structures" could be
22 added.
23 Commissioner Makowske suggested that Subd. 10 could be added and the regulations that
24 apply to permitted and permitted conditional uses, as stated in the Staff report, could be
25 included in that Subd. and removed from Section 8 completely. A sentence in parenthesis
26 could then be added to Section 8 which would state "Permitted and conditional permitted uses
27 do not have a land coverage requirement but are addressed under Subd. 10".
28 Ms. Moore-Sykes then introduced Gerry DeZelar, architect for St. Charles Borromeo Church
29 and Ted McCrossan.
30 Commissioner Makowske asked what the current amount of impervious surface was at St.
31 Charles Borromeo Church.
Mr. DeZelar stated the amount of impervious surface presently is 62.5%. With the proposed
IR'3 construction, the amount of impervious surface will be 65%.
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October 21, 1997
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1 Chair Bergstrom asked for a brief summary of the proposed construction as he was not in
2 attendance at the August Planning Commission meeting.
3 Mr. DeZelar reported the Church is proposing to add a gathering space of 12,000 square feet.
4 The construction will add 5,000 square feet of impervious material to the site. The proposed
5 turn around and handicapped parking area will result in the loss of six parking spaces. Mr.
6 DeZelar displayed the proposed floor plan and the concept plan for planting. He then
7 displayed the proposed elevations.
_ 8 Mr. DeZelar explained that the Church is proposing to collect all the run-off water by internal
9 drainage. The water will be collected and channeled to the green area on Stinson Boulevard.
10 He noted the closest storm sewer is on 27th Avenue on the Minneapolis side.
11 Commissioner Gondorchin noted drainage is a sensitive issue and suggested Mr. DeZelar seek
12 professional advice in regard to the issue.
13 Chair Bergstrom agreed and advised Mr. DeZelar to include definitive answers to the storm
14 water questions when the proposal was submitted for approval. He then asked Mr. DeZelar to
15 discuss the worst possible case in regard to off-site parking that could result from the
16 construction and the possible negative impact on the neighborhood.
107 Mr. DeZelar stated he did not foresee the parking issue becoming worse than it currently is.
18 The biggest number of cars parking off-site occurs during Sunday mass. The new Fellowship
19 Hall will not be utilized during Sunday mass. The parking requirement for the Fellowship
20 Hall is 195 spaces and 200 are available.
21 Chair Bergstrom stated the proposal looked like a good idea which is well designed. He
22 stated his main concerns are drainage and parking.
23 Chair Bergstrom asked if there were any further comments in regard to the Ordinance
24 amendment.
25 There was Commission consensus to recommend the amendment to the language of Chapter
26 16, Zoning and Land Use, as amended this evening, from Kim Moore-Sykes memo of
27 September 23, 1997.
28 Commissioner Gondorchin noted that under (d). "regular" should be replaced with
29 "regulating".
30 Commissioner Franzese suggested Staff consult City Attorney in regard to the inclusion of
31 other types of schools under (a).
2. Comprehensive Plan Update Process.
3 A. CIP.
34 Ms. Moore-Sykes explained that the Capital Improvement Program is in the format suggested
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October 21, 1997
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1 by Suzanne Rhees of BRW, Inc., who is developing the Comprehensive Plan Update. This
2 program is meant to be placed in the Comprehensive Plan Update to deal with issues such as
3 Road Systems, Local System Maintenance, Local Traffic Management, Road Enhancements,
4 Commercial, Park System, Water Resources, and Public Utilities. She explained that the
5 Program is a summary and is not meant to be specific.
6 Commissioner Makowske questioned the time frame of the Road System Reconstruction and
7 the amount of dollars listed for Park Systems.
8 Ms. Moore-Sykes explained that the Road System Reconstruction includes the 1998
9 improvements. Further projections can not be made because the road improvements are
10 determined on an annual basis. The amount of dollars listed for Park Systems is the figure of
11 the most expensive redevelopment of Central Park as supplied by BRW, Inc.
12 3. Status Reports re: Task Forces.
13 Commissioner Gondorchin reported that the Parks Task Force has determined the location of
14 the tot lot and a play area for older children. The current focus of the group is playground
15 material and what funds are available. Efforts are currently being made to determine if
16 external funds are available. Monthly meetings are not allowing the Task Force to be
17 efficient and it is possible that the Task Force will begin meeting on a bi-monthly basis.
q8 Commissioner Makowske reported that he had been out of town and was unable to attend the
19 most recent Storm Water Management Task Force meeting.
20 Ms. Moore-Sykes noted that the Storm Water Management Task Force had submitted their
21 short-term recommendations to the City Council and that at the last Council meeting a number
22 of the recommendations were voted on. At this time, the City Attorney has strongly advised
23 against purchasing the homes which were included in the recommendations of the Task Force
24 as it has not been determined if that purchase would serve the public good. It is illegal for
25 the City to purchase the homes if the purchase would be for the individual good. She stated
26 she has a sense that the Task Force will now continue to work on long-term
27 recommendations. The Task Force is currently discussing design standards. She stated she
28 believed that the Task Force has agreed on design standards of a 100 year event plus 30%.
29
30 IX. COMMENTS.
31 Commissioner Franzese noted the copy of the City of Bloomington Ordinance regarding
32 mobile home parks and relocation costs, which was included in Commissioner's packet. She
33 stated this would be good protection for the City of St. Anthony to have.
34 Chair Bergstrom commented that in going through the City Codes he noticed that a
35 moratorium on construction which expired in 1992 was still included in the Code and should
36 be removed.
4R7 Chair Bergstrom announced that an Open House for Larry Hamer's retirement will be held at
38 City Hall on November 20 from 2:00 P.M. - 3:30 P.M.
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October 21, 1997
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1 Ms. Moore-Sykes reported that Jay Hartman has been chosen as Mr. Hamer's successor. Mr.
2 Hartman was previously in charge of the water and sewer system in the City of St. Anthony.
3 Ms. Moore-Sykes reported that Steve Koes, Public Works Department, is also retiring and an
4 Open House will be held for him on October 31 at 2:00 P.M. at City Hall.
5 Commissioner Makowske noted that the City elections for. School Board and City Council
6 will be held on November 4.
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8 _X. ADJOURNMENT.
9 Motion by Delmonico, seconded by Bergstrom, to adjourn the meeting at 8:35 P.M.
10 Motion carried unanimously.
11 Respectfully submitted,
12 Lorri Kopischke
13 TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
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