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1 The meeting opened at 7: 30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance led by
2 Mayor Sundland.
3 Present for roll call : Marks, Ranallo, Sundland, Enrooth, Makowske.
4 Also present: David Childs, City Manager
5 Larry Hamer, Public Works Director
6 JULY 28, 1988 COUNCIL MINUTES
7 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to approve with the following
8 changes:
9 Page 1, line 19: Insert "During the discussion of the above minutes"
10 at the beginning of the sentence.
11 Page 1, line 21: Substitute a period for "since" and start a new
12 sentence with "The" .
• 13 Page 5, line 27: Substitute "one or" for "a" at end of line.
14 Page 5, line 28: Substitute "two million dollars" for "million or
15 two dollars" .
16 Page 10, line 3 : Correct typo "Councilmembers" .
17 Page 10, line 14: Substitute 1112th" for 119th" .
18 Motion carried unanimously.
19 LICENSES&MMITS&ETITIONS
20 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to approve the multiple dwelling
21 registration and grant the following licenses as listed in the July
22 28th Council agenda packet:
23 Multiple Dwelling Registration
24 Apache Manor Limited Partnership, 3817 Macalaster Drive
25 Contractors
26 Richard Hastings Company
27 G. E. Sanders
28 Maertens-Benny Construction Company
29 Gary Jansick, dba Jansick
1
1 Heating
• 2 All Season Comfort, Inc.
3 motion carried unanimously.
4 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Enrooth to grant a temporary 3. 2 beer
5 and wine permit for the annual St. Charles Borromeo steak fry and
6 dance to be held in the school September 10, 1988 and a temporary 3.2
7 beer permit to Dan Reeves, 1202 Jefferson Street N.E. , Minneapolis,
8 for the Scalise family reunion to be held in the Central Park
9 pavilion, Sunday, July 31st.
10 Voting on the motion:
it Aye: Ranallo, Enrooth, Sundland, Makowske.
12 Nay: Marks.
13 motion carried.
14 CI.AI�S
15 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of all
16 accounts payable listed for June 30, 1988 in the July 12th agenda
17 packet with clarification that Check #01980 represented an insurance
18 premium paid to the League of Minnesota Trust.
• 19 motion carried unanimously.
20 There was a brief discussion with Mr. Hamer related to work to be
21 completed on the St. Anthony Boulevard Reconstruction Project before
22 the following payments he had recommended be made were moved:
23 Motion by Marks, seconded by Ranallo to approve payment of
24 $174 ,224.12 to Ashbach Construction Co. for the St. Anthony Boulevard
25 project and to approve a 5% retainage to cover the cost of filling in
26 the dirt as well as withholding the cost of sodding in the fall from
27 the final payment to the contractors.
28 motion carried unanimously.
29 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $64,806.00
30 to Collins Electric for installation of the Kenzie Terrace pedestrian
31 signal as per recommendation of Public Works Director Hamer. This
32 amount includes a $650.00 change order to comply with the request
33 from Hennepin County related to the provision of an additional hand
34 hole on the equipment and allows for a 5% retainage.
35 motion carried unanimously.
36 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to approve the payment of
37 $1 ,045.00 to Layne Minnesota for labor and equipment costs incurred
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1 in connection with the modifications to Well #5. These were
• 2 additional costs to the $13 ,600.00 previously paid for the angle
3 drive and 150 hp motor.
4 Notion carried unanimously.
5 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to approve the following
6 payments to Rieke-Carroll-Muller Associates for engineering services
7 through June on St. Anthony projects:
8 $3 ,215.24 - temporary carbon filtration system;
9 $400.00 - Kenzie Terrace pedestrian signals;
10 $1 ,080.95 - sanitary sewer study.
11 Notion carried unanimously.
12 Motion by Marks, seconded by Ranallo to approve payment of $2,000.00
13 to Moody's Investors Service for professional rating services in
14 conjunction with the sale of $875,000.00 General Obligation-Revenue
15 Water System Bonds for the carbon filtration system being installed
16 on the City wells.
17 Notion carried unanimously.
18 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $2,554.66
19 to the Dorsey & Whitney law firm for legal services during May, 1988.
• 20 Notion carried unanimously.
21 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Makowske to approve payment of
22 $2,400.00 to the Hance & LeVahn law firm for legal services rendered
23 during July, 1988, relative to St. Anthony prosecutions.
24 Motion carried unanimously.
25 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $9,000.00
26 to Stuart J. Bonniwell, CPA, for progress billing for the examination
27 of the City financial statements for the year which ended December
28 31 , 1987, with $6,000 to be allocated from the General Fund and
29 $3 ,000 to be allocated from the Liquor Fund.
30 Notion carried unanimously.
31 Motion by Marks, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of $4,423 . 39
32 to the Briggs and Morgan law firm for legal services rendered in
33 conjunction with the City's law suit against the U.S. Army et al
34 relative to St. Anthony's water contamination problems.
35 Notion carried unanimously.
36 Motion by Makowske, seconded by Enrooth to approve payment of
37 $1 ,265.49 to Short-Elliott-Hendrickson, Inc. for engineering services
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1 during April and May, 1988, related to the replacement of the Foss
• 2 Road Sanitary Sewer lift station.
3 motion carried unanimously.
4 REQU�3.STED PUBLIC APPEARANCE - REN GIRAW AND WES HENRY, ST. ANTHONY
5 LIONS
6 Pull Tab Issue Revisited
7 The Lions Club representatives indicated they were present to request
8 the Council reconsider their previous decision not to change the
9 City's Charitable Gambling Ordinance to allow the sale of pull tabs
10 in St. Anthony. Their argument was that the Council's reluctance to
11 make a selection from the many service organizations who had
12 indicated an interest in obtaining such a license might be alleviated
13 somewhat by the possibility that a group of these were considering
14 forming a coalition which would be willing to share equally in the
15 profits from such an enterprise.
16 Girard indicated his organization would be meeting with the St.
17 Anthony Chamber of Commerce President sometime within the next few
18 weeks to discuss the possibility of creating a coalition of
19 organizations interested in having pull tab operations in St.
20 Anthony. He mentioned the Sports Boosters Club as another possible
21 member.
• 22 The Lions Club President went on to say:
23 *the Lions Club had been in St. Anthony since 1966 and ever
24 since then had contributed as much as they could from available
25 revenues towards City causes, including those supported by some of
26 the organizations which might be joining the coalition;
27 *he personally believed it would be better for the City and
28 those organizations if each club had its own license but he was
29 willing to discuss the possibility of only the coalition applying
30 for a license if, as Mayor Sundland had previously indicated, that
31 might make pull tabs "more palatable" to the rest of the Council;
32 *the Lions were willing to promise to donate 50% of their net
33 proceeds from pull tab sales back to the area, which would be five
34 times more than the State Charitable Gambling Law required;
35 *it is estimated that 99% of the pull tab sales in the
36 Stonehouse Bar would be made to non-residents but a good portion of
37 the proceeds would remain in the City to support St. Anthony
38 charities;
39 *he saw five likely locations for pull tab licenses - the
40 City's two bars, two bowling alleys, and the Alternative Non-
41 Alcoholic Bar;
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• 1 *the legislature had recently put more restrictions on the pull
2 tab operations;
3 *he hoped no Councilmember would base his or her vote on
4 personal opposition to gambling but rather would vote on what "could
5 be a good thing for St. Anthony. "
6 disputed the assumption that St. Anthony couldn't restrict
7 licenses to only City organizations, citing the wording of the New
8 Brighton and Shoreview ordinances to support his contention. He
9 reminded the Council that St. Anthony was the only city in the area
10 which didn't allow pull tabs.
11 The reaction to these remarks were as follows:
12 Childs told the Lions Club representatives the City Attorney had
13 provided the Council with a detailed opinion related to the issues he
14 anticipated the City would have to deal with if the ordinance were
15 changed to allow pull tabs.
16 One of the questions Mr. Soth had raised had been whether the City
17 could constitutionally refuse licenses to not only City applicants
18 but also those from outside the City as well . In regard to writing
19 an ordinance, Mr. Childs said he would show Mr. Soth the Columbia
20 Heights and New Brighton ordinances and seek further clarification
21 regarding the discrepancies in opinion. He said he and Mr. Soth had
• 22 previously talked about an ordinance which would limit the sale of
23 pull tabs to places which sold liquor. This was based on previous
24 conversations related to a possible Bingo operation where the
25 Council had seemed to have some concerns about the ages of the
26 persons who would be exposed to such operations. The Manager also
27 mentioned that it was his understanding that, even if the City could
28 limit the number of locations where pull tabs could be sold, there
29 might be a problem restricting the licenses for each location.
30 Sundland indicated a coalition might or might not help to change the
31 previous majority opposition to pull tabs on the Council. He said he
32 personally had no objections to pull tabs and would be willing to put
33 the ordinance change up for a Council vote either that night or
34 during a future Council meeting after the Lions have met with the
35 Chamber of Commerce.
36 Aansllo said he had nothing against pull tabs per se but still had
37 concerns about their regulation and whether licenses to operate pull
38 tabs games could be limited to only City organizations. He also
39 reminded the proponents that there might be an adverse public
40 reaction to pull tabs once the ordinance is given its first reading.
41 He recalled that it might have been the advocating of the sale of
42 pull tabs to help out the school district which had caused the defeat
43 of one of the school board candidates in the recent election. The
44 Councilmember also pointed out that one of the first organizations to
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I ask for a pull tab license had been the City firefighters, who
• 2 wanted to set up the operation in the Stonehouse Bar for the benefit
3 of their members. This would seem to indicate a difficult task for
4 the Council to decide who would get one of a limited number of
5 licenses.
6 Narks indicated he would still never vote to allow pull tabs in St.
7 Anthony.
8 Kakowske told the Lions she had "really grappled" with this issue.
9 She said she had no problems with pull tabs themselves, but was
10 beginning to believe that pull tabs and lotteries might be starting
11 to "eliminate social consciences" and people might be substituting
12 gambling for giving directly to good causes. The Councilmember
13 indicated that at the same time she was having these reservations,
14 she had to acknowledge that, as pointed out in the last
15 Northeaster, there had been more than $750,000.00 in pull tab profits
16 which had been plowed back into the area charities.
17 Smooth commented that he perceived the need for funding such City
18 projects as the music pavilion, the City float, or major park
19 renovations might change some Council minds, but he agreed there were
20 still legal aspects of the issue which required further
21 clarification.
22 The matter was laid over a month for a further report from the Lions
23 on their meeting with the Chamber of Commerce and for further
• 24 clarifications of the legalities involved in changing the ordinance.
25 REPORTS
26 COUNCIL
27 Study Shows No Defect in City Water Pressure System on 32nd and 33rd
28 Avenues
29 Sundland explained that the survey of the system reported in Larry
30 Hamer's July 12th memorandum, which was distributed before the
31 meeting, had been taken at his request after he had received a call
32 from a resident on 33rd Avenue N.E. complaining that the "City
33 wasn't delivering adequate water pressure. " The complainant had said
34 it took his wife 20 minutes in the morning to fill the dishpan.
35 Sr. Hamer reported:
36 *he had surveyed the water line on which the City had installed
37 a special system of pressure boosters to raise the water pressure for
38 a small pocket of homes on that line;
39 *the line runs along 33rd Avenue N.E. to the west side of
40 Rankin Road and back along 32nd Avenue N.E. to Silver Lake Road;
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1 *the Public Works Department approached nine homes regarding
• 2 their water pressure, seven of which have had no complaints;
3 *his men were unable to get into the two homes where pressure
4 problems were indicated to ascertain whether the problems might be
5 internally caused by an older water softener or heater or a loose
6 valve;
7 *indicated the basis for these suspicions was the fact that the
8 homes next door did not have pressure irregularities.
9 The Public Works Director explained further that:
10 *a pressure gauge had been installed the previous day on the
11 house at 3312 - 33rd Avenue N.E. which is one house away from
12 complainant's and after a full day of monitoring the lowest pressure
13 registered all day was 38 pounds at 9:00 P.M. ;
14 *this booster system has three individual pumps which operate
15 in sequence in response to demand for pressure;
16 *the first pump pressure goes up to 90 pounds and down to
17 approximately 65 pounds when the second pump is activated. The
18 third pump maintains a constant pressure level and is activated when
19 the second pump pressure requires;
20 *some of the two story houses on Hilldale are bound to have
• 21 problems on the second floor with 32 pound PSI pressure release on
22 32nd and Silver Lake Road, but if that happens, an automatic line
23 pressure valve, which connects with the regular water line system
24 opens up and that line system takes over;
25 *the survey shows that the system is working "very efficiently
26 and effectively" and in just the manner for which it was designed.
27 Most Problems Caused by Sprinkling
28 Mr. Hamer indicated the pressure is naturally going to go down all
29 over the City during sprinkling periods from 3:00 P.M. to 11:00 P.M.
30 and the booster system in this area is no more able to keep up than
31 the elevated tower system which serves the rest of the City. The
32 only thing the City could do to prevent water pressure going down
33 while people are sprinkling would be to ban sprinkling altogether
34 which he perceives would be pretty drastic for just a few homes
35 whose problems probably aren't caused by the extra demand on the
36 system.
37 The Public Works Director said because his men had been unable to
38 get into the two homes with low pressure problems, he was going to
39 write to those homeowners to see if they wanted his department to
40 make an internal inspection to try to find what was causing their low
41 pressure. He told Councilmember Enrooth that one alternative would
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1 be for some homeowners to install their own pressure booster pumps
2 next to their water meters.
• 3 Mr. Hamer concluded his report by telling the Councilmembers his
4 department had always followed "policy of responding to any resident
5 report of trouble as soon as humanly possible, except, of course, on
6 weekends and holidays when they aren't working."
7 Childs said he personally knew the Public Works Department made a
8 practice of responding within two hours if possible, to any call they
9 received. However, they were unable to do so this time because
10 neither of the two callers who called to report a problem was willing
11 to identify themselves or an address to which a response could be
12 made.
13 Smooth said he perceived the City equipment was performing exactly
14 as it was designed and the variables were basically the consumption
15 and number of people who might use the water line at any time. He
16 viewed the problem as a temporary one which was associated with
17 increased water usage during the summer months which always resolved
18 itself come fall.
19 Sundland indicated he perceived the survey which he had requested
20 had not been a non-productive exercise, because it provided the
21 Councilmembers with information they might not have otherwise had on
22 how the system works. He said he intended to give a copy of the
23 survey to the complainant telling him the Council perceived no
• 24 problems to justify spending a thousand or more dollars to have an
25 outside engineer tell them exactly the same thing.
26 Marks said he thought the Public Works Department should be commended
27 for their correct attitude of wanting to help residents who are
28 having problems. He also said he personally believed in a year like
29 this one all communities should probably be putting more restrictions
30 on sprinkling so as not to lower the aquifer any farther than
31 absolutely necessary.
32 There was wholehearted support of Mr. Hamer's recommendations on the
33 matter. Mr. Hamer's survey will be kept at City Hall for review by
34 any interested parties.
35 Makowske Issues Invitation to Attend RCLLG Picnic and Tour of Como
36 Park, July 20th
37 The Councilmember indicated she would not be able to attend the
38 Ramsey County League of Local Governments meeting on July 20th.
39 Councilmember Enrooth said he thought he could make it and would make
40 the reservation requested in the notice.
41 Enrooth Says Recycling Task Force Sees the Reuter Operation as a
42 Viable Method of Getting Rid of City's Garbage
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1 The Councilmember said the St. Anthony Task Force ' s tour of the
• 2 above the same day had convinced them that only politics
3 prevented this private enterprise from competing with the County's
4 garbage burning plant. He suggested the other Councilmembers would
5 probably be required to educate themselves about this method before
6 they could respond to the recommendation he expected the Task Force
7 to return with, August 9th.
8 The Mayor said Commissioner Sivanich had requested he serve on the
9 County's study commission and he intended to submit, with the
10 Councilmember's consent of course, Councilmember Enrooth's name
11 instead.
12 Marks to Attend the July 14th Meeting of the Youth Service Bureau
13 Board of Directors
14 As Board President , he would be attending the above, the
15 Councilmember indicated.
16 St. Anthony to Observe "National Night Out" , August 9th
17 Mr. Childs had provided in the agenda packet a copy of the
18 Proclamation the Mayor would be signing and explained that the City
19 had missed participating last year in this crime prevention program
20 which has grown nationwide.
21 Council Action
22 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to authorize the observance of
23 "National Night Out" in St. Anthony, August 9th.
24 Motion carried unanimously.
25 DEPARTMENT AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
26 Hance & LeVahn Report on Matters Conducted at Hennepin County
27 District Court, June 15, 1988
28 XarXs reiterated dismay at the number of times the Judge had stayed
29 fines and sentences that day. He asked staff to see if they could
30 find any type of study which supported the effectiveness of this
31 practice. The Councilmember also questioned whether many of the
32 bench warrants resulted in arrests and whether many of those the City
33 prosecuted ever served time in jail .
34 Makowske agreed, saying she also couldn't understand why the charge
35 of marijuana possession had been dropped in one case. She was told
36 the amount of the substance found as well as the fact that lesser
37 charges were probably dropped in favor of the more serious offense
38 for which the defendant was fined $200.00 .
39 June 18 . 1988 and Annual Fire Department Reports
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• 1aM rks indicated he was gratified to see Chief Entner's comments that
2 the fibrillator machine the Department had purchased had "so far
3 given six people a second chance at life. "
4 Malwwske observed that the number of non-medicals had remained
5 constant while the medical emergencies have more than doubled.
6 Enrooth reiterated his perception that the "City was really operating
7 a paramedic service which occasionally fought fires. "
8 Sundland asked Mr. Childs to relay the Council's appreciation of the
9 "fine report Lee Entner had submitted. "
10 June Liquor Operation Sales Summary
11 Ordered filed with no comments.
12 St Anthony/New Brighton June 21 1988 Chemical Committee Minutes
13 Sundland indicated he appreciated receiving the above report before
14 ordering it filed.
15 CITY MANAGER REPORTS
16 July 5. 1988 Staff Meeting Notes
• 17 In reference to the list of topics which would be covered in the next
18 Newsletter, MakOvske wondered whether an article on the new
19 playground equipment planned for Central Park would be included. Mr.
20 Childs said he wanted to hold that story over until he had pictures
21 to be included with the story. The Manager indicated photos were
22 the latest improvements in the Newsletter and the July 15th issue
23 would be carrying a photo of the new carbon filtration plant, which
24 should be operational by the end of next week.
25 Many Officials to be Invited to Participate in City's July 26th
26 Celebration of Again Having "Clean, Drinkable Water"
27 Childs anticipated inviting the news media as well as staff and the
28 Councilmembers to participate in the 6:00 P.M. program to precede the
29 Council meeting that evening. He indicated that even if Well #3
30 wasn't on line that night, water would be run through the carbon
31 filtration system to demonstrate how it operates. The person who
32 helped the City obtain the $150,000 Ramsey County Community Block
33 Grant funds for the project as well as Commissioner Salverda would
34 be included in the guest list and the City Manager suggested the
35 state and federal agencies people might like to attend to find out
36 how "St. Anthony had managed to get accomplished in four months what
37 none of them had been able to do in six years. " "The Army might also
38 like to come to drink some of our clean water" , Sundland suggested.
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1 Council to Meet with St Anthony Shopping Center Owners'
• 2 Representative
3 Joe DiSanto had indicated a desire to meet with the Council late in
4 the afternoon, August 1st, to get their feedback on the owners' plans
5 for the center. Sundland reiterated that he would only be interested
6 in hearing about a definite plan to upgrade the center, but agreed
7 this would be an opportunity to meet face to face with Mr. DiSanto
8 and let him know what the City thought should be done to improve the
9 center.
10 Plans and Specifications for Foss Road Lift Station Should be Ready
11 for Council Aporoval in August
12 Childs reported the above would be available for either the August
13 9th or 23rd Council meeting.
14 Childs Expects Request for More Funding From Northern Mayors
15 Association
16 The City Manager indicated the above was what he anticipated to
17 happen as part of the City's 1989 budget process.
18 NKA BUSINESS
19 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to adopt the resolution which
20 authorizes execution of the joint cooperation agreement with Ramsey
• 21 County regarding the C.D.B.G. program.
22 RESOLUTION 88-027
23 A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER
24 TO EXECUTE THE JOINT COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN
25 THE CITY AND RAMSEY COUNTY
26 Motion carried unanimously.
27 RCM REPORT ON STORM AND SANITARY SEWER STUDIES FOR SOUTH END
28 Engineers Report Little City Can Do to Prevent Future Flooding
29 Without Requiring Disconnection of Drain Tiles from Sanitary Sewer
30 S s e
31 The above was the main thrust of the Rieke-Carroll-Muller Associates
32 reports which had been distributed to Councilmembers prior to the
33 meeting.
34 Dale Nolen and Bob Robertson, RCM engineers, were present to answer
35 Council questions related to the slide presentation. Anne D.
36 Grassman1 2608 Murray Avenue N.E. , was the only resident in
37 attendance to hear results of the study, particularly as it related
38 to her own street.
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1 Storm Sewer Report - Folen
• 2 *the engineer's computer modeling indicates St. Anthony's storm
3 sewer system was designed to handle the flow from a storm which has a
4 50% chance of occurring in a given year without adversely affecting
5 residential property (also referred to as a 2 year storm) ;
6 *the focal point of the study turned out to be the exceptions
7 on Murray and St. Anthony Boulevard where there are two or three
8 homes which catch the overflow from low spots in the alley between
9 those streets and problems on Wilson Street N.E. where the storm
10 sewer lines have a slightly lower capacity than some of the upstream
11 and lower lines;
12 *the other more significant spot of flooding during last
13 summer's 100 or 500 year rainfall, was at the intersection of 29th
14 Avenue N.E. and Silver Lake Road which affected access but the
15 surface water didn't rise high enough to damage any homes;
16 *the general cause of surface water flooding in St. Anthony is
17 because the City has a steep rise in the northern watershed and
18 shallower slopes that don't drain water rapidly in the south;
19 *it's technically possible, but not economically feasible or
20 reasonable to try to protect communities from every type of rainfall;
• 21 *the City has to make economic choices based on the damage
22 caused by surface water flooding.
23 Mr. Folen described the sizes of the pipes in various parts of the
24 City, saying the outlet for the whole City is in Highway 88 where the
25 City's storm water flows down to the Minneapolis storm sewer conduit
26 and eventually into the Mississippi River. The constraint on that
27 outlet prevents increasing St. Anthony's line size. He pointed out,
28 however, that if it were possible to redesign St. Anthony's system to
29 provide for a five year storm (which has a 20% chance of happening in
30 any one year) , it would cost about $2 .5 million. To protect from a
31 ten year storm with a 10% chance of happening in any year, would cost
32 the City about $3.8 million. And, even if St. Anthony residents were
33 willing to pay those costs, the Minneapolis outlet couldn't handle
34 the flow anyway. The outlet along Highway 88 is designed to accept
35 only the capacity which goes into it now and if the flow were
36 increased, it would flood the shopping centers. Bigger pipes would
37 only mean the City would be transferring the flooding down to the
38 southern sections faster.
39 Ponding in the St Anthony Center Would Require an Acre of Land and 9
40 Foot Pond Depth
41 The areas behind the homes on Silver Lake Road between 30th and 31st
42 Avenues and another east of Silver Point Park wouldn't be feasible
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1 either because there's not enough land available for the first or
2 because of the low elevation of Silver Lake Road when compared to the
• 3 elevation of the park. The only area large enough to accommodate a
4 240 X 240, 9 foot basin which would have to be deep enough to hold a
5 ten year storm overflow, would be in the shopping center the City is
6 trying to redevelop for housing, which the engineer estimated would
7 cost $560,000 to construct in addition to the hundreds of thousands
8 of dollars Mr. Childs had estimated the City would have to pay for
9 the land.
10 Mr. Folen commented that it didn't seem reasonable to spend a couple
it million dollars to prevent $4,000.00 or $5,000.00 in damage to two or
12 three homes on St. Anthony Boulevard. He added that, if such a pond
13 were contemplated, a detailed topographic survey would have to be
14 taken to find out who else might be affected if the pond should flood
15 and safety of the pond would also have to be a concern. St. Anthony
16 might also have a problem trying to sell sending the overflow
17 spillage down through the Highway 88 trunk line to Minneapolis.
18 Enlarging Wilson Street Pipes Would Also be Very Expensive
19 Mr. Folen reiterated how expensive the above would be and wondered if
20 instead the City might want to look towards flood proofing the homes
21 in the area which are the most apt to be affected by the next big
22 storm. He indicated homeowners who realize their properties might be
23 in danger could raise their garages and pour new slabs. Another
24 option might be for them to regrade their backyards to keep the water
• 25 away from the house.
26 Sundland noted that these suggestions would only work if everybody
27 in the neighborhood cooperated so adjoining properties would not be
28 flooded as a result of a neighbor's property being regraded.
29 Hamer Reports on City Areas Which Had Problems Last Summer
30 The Public Works Director indicated the City had not changed the
31 drainage system that much in the area off Wilson Street where new
32 homes are replacing the Johnson Florist business which was wiped out
33 in the 1984 tornado. There is still an open system which has the
34 capacity for backing up onto the new tennis courts. The only thing
35 different is that the new homes have been built extremely high and
36 have walkout basements which aren't as apt to be flooded. As proof,
37 Mr. Hamer reported that during last summer's storm, the system had
38 again backed up in that area, causing some of the siding which was
39 lying around to float down about four blocks away from the site.
40 The Public Works Director reported he perceived there were only two
41 homes in the Murray/St. Anthony Boulevard area which are
42 consistently affected by storm water flooding. However, there are
43 many more homes with backed up sanitary sewer systems. He said the
44 only way to hold the storm sewer overflow back is to have higher
45 retaining walls built.
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• 1 Mr. Hamer reported another trouble area during the July, 1987, storm
2 had been the home on the north side of West Armour Terrace between
3 Wilson and Silver Lake Road where for the second time in the last ten
4 years, "clean, but damaging" water had flooded the backyard and the
5 basement. He said this was a case where the sanitary sewer system
6 wasn't functioning and the system couldn't get the surface water
7 away fast enough. He indicated he perceived this was an area where a
8 sump pump was needed to get the surface water away from the house
9 during periods when the sanitary sewer system isn't functioning.
10 H told Councilmember Ranallo there are a few intersections like
11 the one he mentioned near 33rd and Wilson, as well as at 29th and
12 Silver Lake Road and Pahl and Wilson which are designed for retention
13 and even though there might be severe flooding at times, the only
14 effects on residential property is to leave a ring of debris in front
15 yards. The Public Works Director added that these and the
16 intersection of 29th and Roosevelt were designed as a less expensive
17 method of retaining overflow during severe storms.
18 Fol en said the 7 areas with intersection flooding do not harm
19 residential property.
20 Mrs. Grassman said her home on Murray was one of the homes in that
21 area which have been flooded many times over the 35 years she has
22 lived there. She said the first year she moved in "they were using
23 boats down the alley between Murray and St. Anthony Boulevard."
• 24 The homeowner insisted that the water level in that area had always
25 been high and when the City "tampered with Wilson street as more and
26 more homes went in upstream" , those problems increased. During one
27 storm, her clothes poles had been moved a foot farther apart, she
28 reported.
29 Topological Survey Necessary Before Alley Elevations Can Be Changed
30 Ranallo agreed with Mr. Hamer that it was a matter of educating
31 homeowners on Wilson to put in check valves, sump pumps, etc.
32 Fol en indicated further topographic studies would be necessary to
33 assure no one else would be harmed if the City makes some grade
34 changes in the low spots in the alley behind Murray and the homes on
35 St. Anthony Boulevard which are reporting problems with flooding.
36 gm—all o commented that he knew there were certainly more than two or
37 three homeowners in the City who attributed their problems to poor
38 management of storm water. He said the Council might still have a
39 hard time convincing some of those who had experienced two or three
40 feet of water in their basements last summer that it wasn't caused by
41 the City's storm sewer system rather than the infiltration from
42 residential drain tiles and the sanitary sewer system.
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I Enrooth Perceives $18 ,000 Study Had Confirmed What City Has Been
2 Telling Residents All Along
3 The Councilmember observed it had taken a $10,000 storm sewer study
4 and a $5 or $6,000 -sanitary sewer study to reconfirm that there is
5 really little the city can do outside of spending two or three
6 million dollars to protect a few homes from flooding during severe
7 rainfalls with the exception of spending a few more dollars to find
8 out through a topographical survey whether grading an alley might
9 alleviate some of the problems for one or two homeowners who can't
10 do anything else for themselves to solve their problems.
11 Council Action
12 Mr. Childs was requested to get a quote for the survey for
13 presentation at a future Council meeting.
14 Sanitary Sewer Study - Robertson
15 The engineer identified the Wilson Street trunk line, which runs from
16 29th Avenue N.E. to Lowry Avenue with jogs over to Kenzie Terrace and
17 down Coolidge and back to Lowry. He emphasized that any improvements
18 on this line had to be predicated on the 18 inch line at Lowry which
19 takes the sewage to a 33 inch line into Minneapolis.
20 Mr. Robertson indicated that if the City wanted to enlarge its lines
21 in order to increase the flow into the Metropolitan feeder line it
22 would have to get the state agency's and Minneapolis permission to do
23 so. Conversations he had with those in charge had indicated they
24 were ready to accommodate "normal flows" but would take a harder line
25 with cities like St. Anthony who have excess flows into their system
26 from surface water getting into sanitary sewer systems through
27 foundation drains.
28 Mr. Robertson warned that it would be very expensive for the City to
29 take measures like installing back water valves or sump pumps which
30 had been discussed estimating that if there were 400 homes with
31 drain tile connected to the sanitary system at $3 ,000.00 per home, it
32 would cost well over a million dollars to divorce the foundation
33 water from the sanitary sewer system.
34 The engineer agreed with Councilmember Enrooth that the City's 18
35 inch pipes would have no problem handling normal sanitary sewage
36 flow without storm water infiltration through drain tiles. He said
37 the pipes are only one quarter filled during non-rain periods and
38 cracked pipelines and manhole seepage is minor compared to what goes
39 into the system from drain tiles when it rains.
40 Mr. Robertson agreed with Councilmember Ranallo that although the
41 inability of the sanitary sewer system to function during a storm
42 with the drain tiles connected contributed somewhat to the storm
43 sewer problems in the Murray/St. Anthony Boulevard, those problems
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I would not necessarily be solved by spending a million dollars to
• 2 disconnect the drain tiles.
3 Twenty-four Inch Pipes Recommended When City Improves Wilson Street
4 Because of the condition of the sanitary sewer pipes along Wilson
5 south of 29th, the engineers had recommended the City replace the 18
6 inch pipes with 24 inch pipes which they estimated would cost the
7 City only $200,000. 00 if the project were done in conjunction with
8 the improvement of the whole street.
9 Childs said Wilson Street would probably be the next MSA street the
10 City would be improving and although the State wouldn't pay for the
it new sewer line, he agreed with Mr. Robertson it would be better to
12 enlarge the pipeline in conjunction with the reconstruction than to
13 try to level out the grade. The Manager suggested the condensed
14 engineering report be published and that the Council wait to see what
15 the response is before scheduling any public hearings where neighbor
16 might be confronting neighbor about drain tiles.
17 EIItOOth agreed it was essential to let the residents know the City
18 has gone to such lengths to address and try to solve their problems.
19 He said he wasn't advocating any public hearings, but thought if any
20 were to be held, it might be wise to hold them this summer during a
21 drought when memories of the storms aren't quite as intense.
22 Ranallo agreed that the engineers should prepare a condensed, easily
• 23 understood summary of their report which could be communicated to the
24 residents to let them know "the City had spent over $15,000 for
25 engineering studies which only tell the Council they are really
26 powerless to do anything to correct the flooding problems which
27 follow severe rainfalls."
28 Marks suggested the article carrying the executive summary could
29 indicate the complete report was available for them to read at City
30 Hall and at the St. Anthony Library.
31 Robertson Indicates RCM Staff Member Oualified to Help City to
32 Disconnect Foundation Tiles If Council Ever Makes That Decision
33 The engineer reported Owatonna had reasonable success in getting its
34 foundation systems disconnected from its sanitary sewer system and
35 the Owatonna engineer at that time now works for RCM. He said if
36 the City ever decided to take the same action, that engineer would
37 probably be available to help the Council conduct the public
38 hearings on the issue. Before leaving the subject, Mr. Hamer pointed
39 out that the City had already taken some steps to alleviate the
40 flooding problems when it had installed sanitary sewer by-passes to
41 the Roseville system at Highcrest and to Minneapolis at St. Anthony
42 Road.
43 Council Action
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• 1 The engineers were requested to prepare an "understandable" executive
2 summary of their report for publication.
3 Makowske Reports Exposed Section of Steel in a Silver Point Park
4 Swing
5 Before he left the meeting, the Councilmember reported the above to
6 Mr. Hamer, indicating she had noticed what she thought "could be
7 dangerous to children" at a point on the swing where the rubber had
8 worn off. The Public Works Director said he would check on it.
9 Council Approves $5,000 Payment for New Central Park Playground
10 Equipment
11 The report in the agenda packet on the above had been written by Dick
12 Buendorf, the summer administrative intern, Mr. Childs indicated.
13 Mr. Buendorf had compared the $7,500 quote from Miracle Recreation
14 Equipment to the $12,080.00 bid from Minnesota Playground and
15 considered the former to be the most cost effective, not only because
16 Miracle had provided a lower bid for riding toys and the digger, but
17 also because he considered their equipment to be more durable and
18 widely used.
19 Since the Council had only budgeted $5,000.00 for playground
20 equipment this year, the City Manager recommended purchasing only
21 equipment which costs that much this year and budgeting for the
• 22 remainder next year.
23 Mr. Childs indicated the report had also addressed long range plans
24 for both Central and Silver Point Parks and the Kiwanis Club had
25 promised to help with installation of the Central Park equipment.
26 Council Action
27 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve payment of $5,000.00
28 to Miracle Equipment for as much playground equipment for Central
29 Park as that will buy this year and to put the costs which remain up
30 for budget consideration this fall.
31 motion carried unanimously.
32 UNFINISHED BUSINESS
33 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to approve the third reading and
34 adopt Ordinance 1988-006.
35 ORDINANCE 1988-006
36 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO LICENSING, EXEMPTING
37 THE CITY FROM LICENSING FEES AND REQUIREMENTS;
38 AMENDING SECTION 510:00 OF THE 1973
CODE OF ORDINANCES
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• 1 notion carried unanimously.
2 Motion by Enrooth, seconded by Marks to approve the second reading of
3 the ordinance amendment which adds "Motorcycle Sales and Accessories"
4 to the Permitted Conditional Uses in Section 9, Subdivision 3 of the
5 City Ordinance 1976-006.
6 ORDINANCE 1988-007
7 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO ZONING;
8 AMENDING ORDINANCE 1976-006
9 Notion carried unani,ously.
10 Motion by Marks, seconded by Makowske to approve the second reading
11 of the ordinance which amends Section 430:15 of the 1973 Code of
12 Ordinances by adding a subdivision which clarifies the description of
13 "Shopping Centers" in Subdivision 24 and renumbers Subdivisions 24-
14 30 to accommodate the addition of the definition.
15 ORDINANCE 1988-008
16 AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO LICENSES, PERMITS, AND
17 BUSINESS REGULATIONS, AMENDING SECTION 430:00
18 OF THE 1973 CODE OF ORDINANCES
• 19 Notion carried unanimously.
20 ADr70URNNBNT
0 21 "Village Fest" Planned by Chamber for 1989
22 Adjournment was delayed a few minutes for a short discussion of plans
23 for a City float with the Apache Program Planner, who indicated she
24 was in attendance to observe the Council meeting for the Chamber of
25 Commerce, who had put her in charge of the float. Ms. Olsonoski told
26 the Council the Chamber of Commerce also proposed a "Village Fest" in
27 St. Anthony next year. A parade at which the new float could be
28 exhibited would be one feature of the celebration.
29 Motion by Ranallo, seconded by Marks to adjourn the Council meeting
30 at 10:05 P.M. for the meeting of the St. Anthony Housing and
31 Redevelopment Authority which followed immediately.
32 Notion carried unanimously.
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1 Respectfully submitted,
2 Helen Crowe, Secretary
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5 ATTEST:
6 •City Clerk
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