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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPL MINUTES 12191972 Meeting Sheet IIIIIIVIIIVIIIVIIIVIIIVIIIIIII IIII 106295 Box: 36 Folder: PL MINUTES AND AGENDAS 1972 Document: PL MINUTES 12191972 VILLAGE OF ST. ANTHONY PLANNINC J30ARD i iIPdUTES December 1-9, 1.97^ • Meeting was called to order by Chairman Orville Brat'-arid at 7:30 P.ii. Present at roll call: Orville Bratland, Dick letourneau, Thomas Ondrey, Richard Carlson. Also present: Harry Lekson lotion by Ondrey, seconded by Bratland to approve minutes of October Planning Board meetin-. wation carried. Chairman called Public Hearing for Conditional Use Permit for Heritage-Rembrandt to order. i4otion by Carlson, seconded by Letourneau to recess this public hearing for one half hour in order to allow more time for residents to arrive. Motion carried. Mr. Gary Gudim and Shaun McEachern appeared before the Planning Board to request a free standing sign for their boc?y shop (G & G Auto Body) on Kenzie Terrace. Mr. Orville Bratland explained that it would require a public hearing for a • variance and that it woul-d have to be a unique hardship for their business to qualify 'i r the variance. It was suggested G & G split the sign area a'-lowed with thF other tenant in -i,he building "Duddy' s for Tires". 7:45 P.M. Grace McGinn and Donald Kronk arrived. Motion by Ondrey, seconded by Carlson to recommend the Council hold a public hearing for a variance allowing a projecting sign in addition to the signs which are presently on the building in question, but the entire surface of the signs are not to exceed the allowable size as outlined in the sign ordinance. iiotion carried. i.icGinn abstaining. 7:55 P.:-i, vir. Parrill arrived. 8:10 P.i.,. Pu7blic Hearing for consideration of a Conditional Use Permit for / Rembrandt-Heritage Corporation for a retirement home building to be located on Lots 13-163- Block 6, Mounds View Acres, 2nd Addition was convened. Mr. Neil Woodington of Rembrandt went over the proposed plans using drawings to show specific ideas, which include a five story building on four lots with four singly family residence homes placed as a buffer between the building and the present homes on Penrod. The second proposal was for a five story building on three lots with no 10 residence lots on Penrod, but a green space of approximately 6,000 sq. ft. as a buffer strip between building and homes cn Penrod. I -2- • , Mr. Doug Jones of 2505 Silver :_are asked zhe following questions: "If someone in St. Anthony sold their home for $25430;000 would they be qualified to rent • one of these units? What additional cos*s would the Village incur as a result of this project, i.e, fire equipment, e--.;c. ?" Woodington: The first fill-up of the building, anyone would qualify (over 62 years of age). After that preference must go to thooe who fall within the lower income area. Mr. Roger Tobias of 3127. 3;th Avenue presented the Planning Board with a petition in regard to this proposal. 57 households were represented. The petition was in objection to this proposal. Mr. Tobias read the petition which enumerated the ordinances which would require variances if this were to be built on a MD basis. Mr. Bratiand pointed out the project -would not be built on a MD basis, but on a ;.U,P, therefore, those ordinances would not necessarily require variances. Woodington: Every comm:tnity we (Rembrandt) go into, we have had to apply for either a new ordinance, variances of those ordinances or C.U.P. because communities have not provided, until this time, for housing for elderly. For general Information: The units proposed are substantially larger than the size recom-aended by HUD. Heritage is a limited dividen sponsor cannot earn over 6% on our cash investment, if we dr,, we muaz turn thai-, money ovor to HUD. Mr. Myron Budynski of 3913' renro:A' asked the total green space on the two plans. Plan A. five story building on fcur lots would provide 45,320 sq. ft. green • space, ana Plan B would p:ovi.de 52,015 sq. fz. green space. Mr. Dudynski stated "I don't see how a five scoiy building could fit well into a l; story neighborhood. What would happen to the value of the homes presently in that, neighborhood?" Woodington: It is mJ feeling that there will be no diminishing value on those homes. Mr. Dudynski presented the Planning Board with a clipping from the December 14th Star & Tribune which stated that New Brighton had turned down a proposal by Rembrandt for housing for elderly with 96 units on 2? acres due to lack of sufficient Free.. He pointed out that they were requesting more than 96 units in St. Anthony on a comparable piece of acreage. Woodington: Heri•cage had other problems in New Brighton which were not stated in the article. `-Te wanted tc locate next to a gravel pit which we wanted to purchase from New Brighton, the village would not sell, and HUD would not allow us to buy next to a gravel pit. The density was mucky larger than stated, there were more than 96 units. Mr. Dudynski (directing auestion to Bratland) "There are several items stated in the C.U.P. ordinance which must present before P C.U.P. may be granted, am I correct?" Bratland: Ycs l -3- Dudynskl: "1 believe this proposal does not meet those requirements, it would not fit well into the neighborhood". • Ms. Shirley Soll of the St. Anthony League of Women Voters presented a statement in favor of this proposal. Mrs. Ruth Thompson stated her objection to the proposal and asked the dimensions of the building. Woodington: Outside dimensions are: 80' x 259' Anthony Zahhos: "How would you zone the remaining lots? If you let one project in, you open the area up to further development. Bratland; We have looked at several plans throughout the years, the C.U.P. ordinance gives the Village more control over the use of the land. Dudynski: "Would the homes in the plan with four lots be single family residence? Woodington: Yes Mr. Dudynski commented they would be rather shallow lots. Mr. Gordon Hedlund stated: "The lots would be approximately 80' deep by 115' fronta_ge, many homes in the Village are built on this size lots, very beautiful homes such as the McReavy home which is a landmark in St. Anthony Village." . Mrs. Chester Thompson: "I don't feel a 5 story building fits well in this area, it would spoil it for good residential development. There are many ways it could be developed residential, at least two of those homes referred to in that one proposal should be built before they are allowed to build the 5 story building. Mrs. Roger Tobias asked if the Planning Board had been out to Edina to inspect the facilities out there. Bratland: Yes, we've seen that project, however this would not be identical to, that project. Dudynski: Stated that the St. Anthony Nursing Home which is on 37th Avenue and this project and the proposed housing in the Salvation Army Camp would bring to three the number of elderly housing projects in Village, is this necessary? Bratland: We are here to deal with this request, the Salvation Army request will be handled at the next public hearing. Mrs. Sue Olson stated that the petition presented is not a true indication of the feelings of all residents of that area. I live in that area, I was not asked to sign and would not have signed if I were asked I do not oppose this project. I am sure I could find the same number of people to sign a petition in favor of this project as are on this petition opposing the Rembrandt proposal. • Mr. Kronk asked: "Are these apartments built specifically to house elderly?" ' � a .,lel+ ., -- - — - .- .�,. vn=n ;-!' ,- _ - - .h°.. • -4- Woodington: `!es, there are handrails in bathrooms, and a signal system if any of the residents become ill. • Mr. Carlson: Meal service available? Woodington: Yes, there will be a dining room, and one or two meals a day may be served. Residents would be required to eat at least one meal in the dining room. Carlson: These dining room facilities would be strictly for residents? Woodington: Yes Public hearing was closed. Mr. Parrill: I have been on the Planning Board for three years and we have heard a number of proposals for this site. It is my opinion the Planning Board has done a reasonable job in weeding out the proposals which would be objectionable to that area. Mr. Garloon asked the resident: "Are you mainly opposed to the height of the building"? Audience replied generally - yes. Mr. Lavicky staffed: "I am against the height, the low income residents this would at�.�-act, and the future development of that area." • Mr. Carlsoxi s>>ated his personal feeling was than Elie area is not conducive to R-2 development. "I wouldn't build a house on Silver Lake Road across from Apache." Mrs. McGinn: I am firmly in favor of residential development for that area, but I'm.al18W in favor of 236 housing. Mr. Letourneau: This project is one of the better projects we have seen. I like the idea of this plan. Mr. Kronk: I am in favor of the plan, however, I would want certain restrict- ions placed on the Conditional Use Permit. Bratlend: "In regard to the integrity of the proposal, most of the requirements of the Metro Council for a retirement home of this nature makes one almost focus in on this location. There are churches, medical facilities, shopping areas, all the things that are drawn up as criteria for a nursing home. Based on that, th-- only drawback is that it is five stories high which is an economic fact of life." Mr. Ondrey: I have avoided making comment at this meeting, because I have been in favor of this proposal all along. I would therefore make the following motion: Motion by Ondrey, seconded by Parrill that the Planning Board go on record as • recommending to the Council the adoption of a C.U.P. to allow the erection of this retirement home in either Plan A or Plsn B, and to include in the motion that the Planning board states its preference -or Plan A. The entire project is to be completed in accordance to the requirements of Council subject to geol- ogical survey. l I -5- Mr. Bratland offered amendment to the motion: • Motion by Bratland, seconded by McGinn to amend motion to read: Recommend Council adopt C.U.P. to allow the erectit-a of the retirement home in either Plan A or Plan B. and to include the Planning Board preference for Plan A and that it be subject to: 1. Subject to final approval of a mature landscaping and sod plan. 2. Subject to it being developed as a 236 program. 3. Subject to final approval of construction plan. 4. Subject to it being preferentis.l to St. Anthony Village residents. 5. Subject to Planning Board review of geological survey. Motion carried, as amended. Recess from 10:05 to 10:15 P.M. Public Hearing to consider a request for a C.U.P. for the construction of retirement housing to be located in the St. Paul Salvation Army Camp in the area presently occupied by cottages and other buildings along the northeast shore of Silver Lake and bordered by Silver Lake Road. Mr. Jack Safar gave a lengthy explanation of site, building concept and routine which would be followed by residerts;-of this project. Mr. Bruce Abrahamson gave a detailed description of the site, the buildings and • project faclflities. Myron Dudynski questioned the number of parking spaces providtd for the residents. Abrahamson: There is adequate parking space available, above the number recommended by HUD. We could literally double the number of spaces if necessary, we have much land to work with. Doug Jones asked if the nature trail would be available to public. Safar: "There is a plan for a public nature bail". Dr. Carr appeared before the Planning Board and stated: "We came before the.- Council two years ago with a complete proposal for the camp with no proposal for elderly housing, this came as news to me. However, I have no fear of how they will run this project, the Salvation Army will run the operation. I would tend to be in favor of this proposal. Mr. Zahhos: "What is the Salvation Army's plan for the total use of that land? Brig. Kish: Presented an aerial map of the camp and stated plans for camping areas, dining hall building, year round camping facilities, nature trails, housing for elderly and the rest ;o-uld be maintained for wildlife. Doug Jones stated he was against this proposal because the Salvation Army was • limiting the number of people who would be able to enjoy this prime lake site. -6- Mr. Dick Merrill of 2+05 Silver Lane sbcttd HUD -�ro uld put restrictions on this, and those restrictions may be i_n conflict v-.•bh the restrictions of HUD. He stated further that he questioned the two story building and its usage on that • site. Ms. Shirley Soll asked if they had checked with Rice Creek Watershed in regard to pitch of the land, water level and setback. Safar: Yes, we have. Soll: Could the distance between the lakeshore and the first unit be extended? Abrahamson: Yes it could, again:•, we have much land to work with. 11:35 P.M. closed Public Hearing. Planning Board Members stated: Kronk: Questioned accessability for fire :;rack to the units closest to the lake. Abrahamson: We could provide a road to that area, cr:-a surfacing for that use. Mrs. McGinn stated she felb the land was beautiful because it was undeveloped, the more you develop the area, the less beautiful it becomes. Bratland stated: 'There is much here tc devour and anderstand on such short cettee, an. l I do not feel prepared to act on the proposal at this point. I personally would like to discuss this further and reserve judgment -,on this • temporarily. Mr. Frank Brocchi-2923 Silver Lake Court stated "I will appear at'-.tke Council meeting and ask them to defer the Heritage proposal until a decision has been reached on this proposal. Motion by Carlson,seconded by Letourneau to table action on this request until Planning Board has had opportunity to study the proposal further. Motion carried. Motion by Parrill, seconded by'•Letourneau to adjourn, Adjournment `Ulme: 11:45 P.M. Secretary, Eileen Biernat' •