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I CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
0 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
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5 July 15, 2003
6 7:00 p.m.
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9 I. CALL TO ORDER.
10 Chair Melsha called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
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12 II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
13 Chair Melsha invited the Council and the audience to join in the Pledge of Allegiance.
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15 III. ROLL CALL.
16 Commissioners present: Chair Melsha; Vice Chair Stille; Commissioners Hanson,
17 Hoska, Stromgren, and Tillman.
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19 Absent: Commissioner Steeves.
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21 Also present: Assistant City Manager Susan Hall.
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23 IV. PUBLIC INPUT.
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Dennis Cavanaugh, 2909 St. Anthony Boulevard, referenced several signs presently being displayed in
residential areas that are in violation of the sign ordinance and asked that the Commission move swiftly
27 with respect to enforcement of the sign ordinance. He explained that several signs reference the war in
28 Iraq stating that it is now officially considered over and the signs should be removed. He further
29 explained that he is all for free speech but the war in Iraq has been declared over and the signs should be
30 removed. He stated that he has removed his signs and is focusing on working peacefully with his
31 neighbors and encouraged others to do the same. He noted a sign in a residential area that is very
32 offensive and requested that the sign be removed immediately. He stated that this issue has been tested
33 in court and suggested that the Commission move expeditiously to ensure that the residents are in
34 compliance.
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36 Chair Melsha acknowledged Mr. Cavanaugh's concerns adding that some signs in the area are definitely
37 in disrepair or expired. He agreed that they should be removed and suggested that the Commission look
38 into this issue.
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40 V. APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
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42 Motion by Commissioner Hanson, second by Commissioner Stromgren, to approve the meeting
43 agenda.
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45 Motion carried unanimously.
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5 VI. MEETING MINUTES.
6 6.1 Review and Approval - Planning Commission Minutes of June 17, 2003.
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8 Commissioner Stromgren referenced page 6, lines 22-30. He clarified that the reference `gas
9 line' should be `gas island'. He referenced page 9, line 31-39 and clarified that it should read
10 that it `may be discussed after redevelopment'.
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12 Vice Chair Stille reference page 8, line 39 states `Chief Hewitt referenced the gas line' it should
13 read `gas island' and further states `for the proposed location' should read `for the Public Works
14 Department'.
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16 Motion by Vice Chair Stille, second by Chair Melsha, to approve the Planning Commission
17 meeting minutes of June 17, 2003 as amended.
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19 Motion carried unanimously.
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21 VII. COMMUNICATION WITH CITY COUNCIL.
22 7.1 Designate a Planning Commission member to the July 22, 2003 City Council
23 Meetine.
Chair Melsha indicated that he would be available to attend the next City Council meeting
10 on June 24, 2003.
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27 VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
28 8.1 Autumn Woods II, LLP, 2534, 2538, 2542, 2546 and 2548 Kenzie Terrace, Amend the
29 Planned Unit Development (PUD) for an additional 38 units of adult rental housing_
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31 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 7:09 p.m.
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33 Susan Hall stated that Paul Brewer, President, LaNel Financial Group, representing Autumn
34 Woods II, met with the Planning Commission in December 2002 concerning their preliminary
35 plans for construction of a housing development called Autumn Woods Villas, to be located at
36 the 2500 block of Kenzie Terrace. She stated that they are returning with the final development
37 plans to amend their existing PUD for an additional 38-units of adult rental housing. She
38 explained that they are proposing to develop a market rate rental building on the former city-
39 owned single-family lots of 2534, 2538, 2542 2546 and 2548 Kenzie Terrace. She stated that the
40 plan submitted by LaNel shows a total of 38 one and two bedroom units along with various
41 common activity and recreation areas.
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43 Ms. Hall stated that Autumn Woods II has requested to amend its existing adjacent PUD noting
44 that a PUD offers flexibility for both them and the City. She reviewed the proposed building
45 layout with the Commission noting that the building would have three stories with 35
underground parking spaces. She noted that there are also seven surface parking spaces as
shown on the site plan. She explained that city code requires at least two parking spaces per unit
48 in apartment buildings, with at least one of which is enclosed. She stated that based on city code
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5 the developer is short three enclosed parking spaces plus an additional 31 parking spaces. She
6 explained that with a PUD the developer is not required to have this amount of parking spaces
7 and stated that Mr. Brewer would speak to the Commission regarding the parking.
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9 Ms. Hall referenced the encroachment into the side yard setback noting that Autumn Woods
10 owns the adjacent property. She stated that all other required setbacks are met. She stated the
11 apartments on the first level would have an entry to the street and courtyard in addition to a
12 center hall that would access the underground parking area. She stated that the building exterior
13 would closely match the adjacent and existing Autumn Woods development adding that the
14 entire development would tie together well.
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16 Paul Brewer, President, LaNel Financial Group, stated that what they are proposing is in
17 response to City requests and explained that they intend to develop a 38-unit building that is a
18 break from the traditional three-story, corridor building. He noted that they also own the
19 adjacent property, Autumn Woods Apartments, a combination senior and market rate property.
20 He provided the Commission with an overview of the plan noting that each of the first floor units
21 would have two entrances, one exterior exit and one that would provide entrance to the center
22 corridor. He stated that the development is an addition to the current Autumn Woods apartments
23 and the exterior materials would be integrated with the current building. He reviewed the
24 entrances and access points with the Commission noting that they were able to utilize the
easterly entryway into the current Autumn Woods as an entry to the proposed addition. He
0 stated that they would be coming to the city with a re-plat subdivision request and explained that
27 they would have to re-plat the location to create a Lot 1 for the current property and a Lot 2 for
28 the new property. He reviewed the parking stalls with the Commission noting that the
29 underground garage currently shows storage cubicles. He explained that most of the storage
30 cubicles would be converted to parking stalls. He further explained that the property would be
31 an adult community adding that most would only require one stall. He stated that they do not
32 anticipate a need for two cars per unit and that the residents would also be able to utilize the
33 parking areas in the Autumn Woods I development. He explained that through their research
34 they have found that many seniors do not drive and therefore do not require more than one
35 parking stall.
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37 Commissioner Tillman asked what the parking ratio is for the existing building. Mr. Brewer
38 clarified that there is one parking stall for each apartment plus one extra for visitor parking.
39 Commissioner Tillman clarified that the existing Autumn Woods has one parking stall
40 underground and one exterior parking stall per unit.
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42 Vice Chair Stille asked how many parking spaces they would gain if they convert the storage
43 cubicles. Mr. Brewer clarified that they would probably gain four additional parking stalls.
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45 Vice Chair Stille asked if they would have separate parking easements. Mr. Brewer explained
46 that they would have cross easements due to the drainage, the holding pond, use of the current
0 driveway for access and parking and use of the pool.
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Commissioner Hanson asked how many additional staff members would be required. Mr.
2 Brewer stated that it would probably require two more staff members.
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4 Commissioner Hoska referenced the curb cut in front and asked if they anticipated an island.
5 Mr. Brewer explained that the proposed curb cut is for the drop off point. He further explained
6 that EMS would be able to enter the site from the east driveway.
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8 Commissioner Stromgren referenced the exterior drawings and asked Mr. Brewer to review the
9 materials they plan to use. Mr. Brewer reviewed the materials with the Commission noting that
10 the building would consist mostly of brick with a stone-face along the front entry. Dan O'Brien,
11 Architect for the project further explained that the permanent siding is a vinyl material that
12 would be maintenance free. He stated that the trim around the eaves of the building and gable
13 ends are metal clad with brick and stone accents.
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15 Commissioner Hanson asked if there would be additional signage. Mr. Brewer stated that they
16 are proposing a ground sign on Kenzie Terrace to designate the entrance in addition to
17 directional signs.
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19 Chair Melsha closed the public hearing at 7:25 p.m.
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21 Vice Chair Stille noted that he was initially taken aback at the number of parking stalls stating
that after hearing the existing history he is glad to hear that it is in line with the number of units.
10 He explained that he drove through the project and did notice that the general exterior parking
24 lot is not full. He stated that his concerns' regarding the parking stalls has been satisfied.
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26 Motion by Commissioner Stille, second by Commissioner Chair Melsha, to recommend approval
27 of the proposed planned development unit for plans dated November 2002, subject to change in
28 proposed parking to 38 versus 35, subject to review of cross easements by the City Attorney and
29 completion of the re-plat.
30 Motion carried unanimously.
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32 7.2 Aicon Construction, 2900 Kenzie Terrace and 2700 Highway 88.
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34 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 7:28 p.m.
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36 Susan Hall stated that city has entered into a predevelopment agreement with Amcon
37 Construction to redevelop the corner of Kenzie Terrace and Highway 88, also known as the
38 Stonehouse and/or Fire Station sites. She stated that Amcon has submitted the formal
39 applications for public hearings associated with their final plans. She reviewed the pending
40 applications with the Commission noting that the applicant is also requesting an administrative
41 subdivision. She explained that the administrative subdivision does not require a public hearing
42 but is being included for discussion and will be forwarded to the City Council for review.
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Ms. Hall provided the Commission with a background history stating that the redevelopment
40 plans shows 26,000 square feet of retail in two buildings. She stated that one new building
46 would be located on the northern portion of the property, located at the corner of Kenzie Terrace
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10 and Highway 88, and the other new building would be situated where the existing strip center is
2 currently located. She stated that both properties, 2900 Kenzie Terrace and 2700 Highway 88,
3 are zoned commercial. She stated that Amcon is requesting two conditional use permits, the first
4 for the restaurant as restaurants located less than 250 feet from a residential structure is a
5 permitted conditional use in a commercial district. She explained that the condition items to
6 consider here might be noise, traffic, trash removal, lighting and hours of operation. She further
7 explained that it is unknown at this time if the restaurant, Spectators, is interested in having
8 music piped out to the outdoor patio. She stated that the second conditional use permit is for the
9 on-sale liquor store, which is also a permitted conditional use in a commercial zoning district.
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11 Ms. Hall stated that the applicant is requesting two front yard setback variances. She stated that
12 the variance request consists of two front yard setback variances of 30 feet each for a proposed
13 setback of 5 feet at the building corners. The applicant has stated that due to the triangular shape
14 of the parcel the tendency is to develop the site similar to its current layout with the building to
15 the south side and the parking out to the corner. According to the developer, one of the strengths
16 to the design is to reduce the impact of the parking lot and to reinforce the street edge by using
17 the restaurant to wrap around and create a corner. This keeps the parking central within the sit to
18 allow shared use of the parking. In addition, Ms. Hall stated that one rear yard setback variance
19 of 10 feet is being requested for the proposed setback of 10 feet at the southeast corner property
20 line jog.
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Ms. Hall stated that the final variance request is related to parking. She stated that the developer
is requesting a parking variance of 40 stalls for a proposed 40 parking stalls for a sit down
24 restaurant. She reviewed city code parking requirements with the Commission noting that to be
25 compliant with city code requirements they would need 80 parking stalls. She stated that the
26 developer is proposing 40 stalls for the restaurant with the balance to be shared with the retail
27 building. She stated that the developer shows 67 parking stalls for the retail area, which meets
28 city code. The developer has noted that due to staggered peak business times for retail and liquor
29 stores and the restaurant, the centralized parking would maximize the efficiency of the
30 development. Ms. Hall noted that the owner of the St. Anthony Shopping Center has expressed
31 concerns to staff stating that he does not want to be the spillover parking spot.
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33 Ms. Hall referenced the signage stating that the developer has told staff that they would keep
34 within the limits of the City sign ordinance and that all signage would be building/wall signage.
35 She reviewed signage with the Commission stating that it would consist of backlit logo signs and
36 that, according to the developer there would not be a glow to affect the residential area. She
37 stated that the City would be reconstructing the sidewalk this fall for a storm water project along
38 Kenzie Terrace noting that Amcon intends to connect the sidewalk to the buildings. She stated
39 that the City Engineer has been involved with the grading plans, adding that impervious surface
40 around the site has been reduced and that drainage would be improved.
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42 Commissioner Hanson asked if the Stonehouse is currently a conditional use permit. Ms. Hall
43 confirmed that it is. Commissioner Stromgren and Tillman asked for further clarification of the
250-foot line. Ms. Hall reviewed the lot line and conditional use permit issues with the
Al Commission.
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10 Todd Christopherson, Amcon Construction and Michael Morn, Project Architect, provided the
2 Commission with a brief background on the project. Mr. Christopherson stated that he has been
3 working closely with City staff adding that they hope to close on the property approximately
4 September 8, 2003. He explained that they would begin asbestos abatement immediately with
5 construction beginning a week later. He stated that it is their plan that once demolition begins,
6 they would then move into the construction phase this fall with a projected completion date in
7 the spring in late May 2004. He stated that they are in the process of working out agreements
8 with various tenants noting that they could possibly have a flower shop, a nail/beauty boutique
9 and an insurance company. He confirmed that they have received commitments from the City
10 Liquor Store and the Spectators Restaurant group.
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12 Mr. Monn stated that he has been involved with the project since December 2002 working
13 closely with City staff, the City Engineer and WSB. He stated that they have several goals for
14 this project that improve the aesthetics to the entry of the City that would include re-pavement of
15 the parking area, adding green space improved lighting, for safety purposes, and provide a better,
16 overall facility that would be fully occupied. He stated that this would also improve the tax base
17 for the city in addition to pedestrian access.
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19 Commissioner Tillman asked what the peak hours of operation would be for the restaurant
20 versus the retail and how it would affect parking. Mr. Christopherson stated that they are
21 anticipating that most of the retail users would be higher traffic with short-term visits, whereas
the restaurant would have lunch hour and dinner hour peaks. He stated that the liquor store
10 would close at 8:00 p.m. on weeknights and 10:00 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights.
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25 Mr. Morn reviewed the conditional uses of the property with the Commission stating that their
26 focus is on the variance requests. He reviewed the urban retail in area, noting that it is a tight
27 knit, street-front type of feel in the retail areas. He explained that many cities are reversing
28 themselves regarding setbacks and are planning more street edge requirements. He explained
29 that in reviewing the area they tried to determine how to bridge the three streets that come
30 together noting that this is what defines the actual corner. He explained that because of the
31 nature of the site layout and their parking requirements it was decided to begin working south to
32 north. He stated that they want to utilize the existing drive and enter to the back of the building
33 for trash and employee parking.
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35 Mr. Monn reviewed the property line and curb line with the Commission stating that they would
36 be coming back approximately 35-feet from the existing location and lot. He reviewed the rear
37 yard setback stating that it is behind the liquor store. He provided a review and overlay of the
38 existing building as it compares to the proposed location of the building to the Commission
39 noting that the variance is for a very small portion of the site. He reviewed the variance request
40 for the parking area stating that most of his experience has been that as retail is winding down
41 the restaurant begins getting their clientele. He stated that they have been working closely with
42 Spectators on the parking issue and also reviewed the proposed retail parking needs with the
43 Commission.
4) Commissioner Tillman asked if there would be outdoor seating. Mr. Morn stated that Spectators
46 would like a small patio area along the Kenzie Terrace/parking lot side. Commissioner Tillman
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asked if this was included in the 170 seats. Mr. Monn confirmed and explained that they are
2 modeling this restaurant after the Spectators restaurant that recently opened in Savage.
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4 Commissioner Hanson asked if the restaurant would be finished on all four sides. Mr. Monn
5 stated that it would be and reviewed the materials with the Commission. He stated that the
6 building would be primarily brick and stucco with glass in the lower level. He provided an
7 overview of the rough draft designs of the front elevations for the Commission stating that the
8 primary material would be brick and stucco with major glass areas wrapping around the
9 building. He stated that there would be awnings and wall signage around the building and no
10 windows on the north side, which is where the service doors would be located.
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12 Vice Chair Stille asked for clarification on the legal description of the property. Mr. Monn
13 stated that it is his understanding that the property would be one parcel.
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15 Chair Melsha asked if they have considered any other ways to move the buildings in order to add
16 more parking. Mr. Monn stated that they could remove some of the green space. He stated that
17 they could also go in behind the main part of building and place an additional 10 stalls for
18 parking. He explained that there would also be service doors and that they could add an
19 additional five to ten feet for a service zone with curbing.
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21 Commissioner Stromgren expressed concerns stating that the north face of the building would be
a full brick fagade. Mr. Monn stated that he would review the north side of the building with the
development team to determine if they could break up the appearance and add some design to
24 the north wall.
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26 Commissioner Hanson asked if the electrical box would stay where it is. Mr. Monn stated that
27 the electrical box would probably be moved in addition to a sign on the corner. He explained
28 that the sign is located on common property.
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30 Commissioner Stromgren referenced the landscaping and asked if any fencing or structures
31 would be installed around the area. Mr. Monn stated that presently nothing is planned as far as
32 enclosures or fencing around the area.
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34 Chair Melsha asked if Spectators has outdoor seating. Mr. Monn confirmed that there would be
35 outdoor seating adding that it is included on the plans.
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37 Chair Melsha expressed concerns regarding music piped to the outdoor seating area stating that
38 there would be restrictions applied with respect to the residential area. He explained that the
39 restaurant would have to keep the music low enough so that residents would not hear it from
40 their yards. Mr. Monn assured the Commission that Spectators would abide by the noise level
41 requirements.
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43 Dennis Cavanaugh stated that the Conditional Use Permit addressing the 250-foot residential
requirement was created for specific reasons. He explained that noise from the area is not
Ib something that residents enjoy noting that having a restaurant placed this closely to a residential
46 area is a bit traumatic for someone not used to the activity it brings. He stated that the
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Stonehouse was set back far enough on the property that the distance helped abate most of the
2 noise. He stated the residents do not want nor do they need any more noise to deal with. He
3 stated that the Stonehouse had 140 parking spaces adding that on the weekends the entire 140
4 spaces were full. He expressed concerns that the weekend parking would spillover into the
5 residential areas and encouraged the Commission to keep that under consideration. He
6 explained that most sports bars tend to attract a very aggressive crowd and encouraged the
7 Commission to consider large buffers for the noise abatement. He stated that as the evening
8 goes on and things begin to quiet down the sound would travel and appear louder from a
9 distance. He stated that the residents are concerned that they would lose much of the enjoyment
10 they experience now with their homes. He stated that the residents want to be represented by the
11 Planning Commission and asked to consider the variances they grant and to keep in mind that
12 they would like to be allowed to continue enjoying the ambiance of their homes. He stated that
13 they would like to see no outside music, minimum signage, no rooftop patio and parking
14 included in the conditions. He stated that the residents are not part of the business and do not
15 owe the restaurant additional parking in the residential areas.
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17 Mike Gonditch, 2901 St. Boulevard, stated that he is amazed that no consideration was given to
18 the residents with respect to the outdoor patio. He stated that during the time that the
19 Stonehouse was there the music was loud and went on forever. He expressed concerns that this
20 would continue with the outdoor patio and compound the noise already tolerated by the
21 neighborhood. He stated that he did not see anything included in the plans to address the
garbage dumpsters. Chair Melsha explained that the dumpsters would be located on the north
io side of the building, close to Highway 88.
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25 Tom Sapia, representing the St. Anthony Shopping Center, asked how the variances would affect
26 the shopping center. He explained that the setbacks are their primary concern. He stated that
27 parking is a significant issue and expressed concerns that the overage would spill over into the
28 residential areas and also the shopping center. He also expressed concerns that this type of
29 variance may not be a good precedent for the City noting the size of the proposed building would
30 require significant parking. He said they were concerned about the drainage, but glad the
31 applicant has dealt with it. He stated that the Shopping Center is very interested in seeing this
32 property developed and asked that the Commission address the parking issues.
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34 Chair Melsha asked if any consideration was given to placing the service side more to the east
35 and have the solid wall facing Highway 88. Mr. Christopherson stated that they reviewed
36 several options stating that the proposed layout helps them achieve the parking count to 120
37 spaces. He stated that any other design would cause them to lose the ability to have two
38 continuous lines of parking. Commissioner Hanson suggested a solid wall to the west and move
39 the outdoor patio to the Highway 88 side of the building, facing the cemetery and golf course.
40 He also suggested placing the dumpsters on the west side against the building. Mr.
41 Christopherson agreed that this would be good idea stating that he would review this suggestion
42 further and try to accommodate the residents concerns regarding the noise levels.
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Mr. Morin referenced the backside of the building stating that they have considered several
options in an effort to enhance the appearance. He stated that the present plan shows that three
46 sides of the building would be glass and one side would be all brick. He noted that with the
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current proposal they have an opportunity to include green space that would soften the area with
2 landscaping, which would also address the sound issues.
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4 Vice Chair Stille asked for further clarification of the lighting improvements. Mr.
5 Christopherson explained that they would be doing an engineering study for the lighting. He
6 assured the Commission that the parking lot would be lit with downcast light fixtures. He
7 acknowledged that there is a limit to the amount of light out to the property line and assured the
8 Commission that the lighting would be in compliance with City Code.
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10 Vice Chair Stille asked Mr. Monn if he had any comments regarding the ventilation systems for
11 the kitchen. Mr. Monn reviewed the ventilation system with the Commission. He explained that
12 they have done several projects with a variety of restaurants and there are several styles available
13 that could be placed on the rooftop that would not sound like a turbojet when operating. Vice
14 Chair Stille noted that this would be very close to a residential district adding that it would be
15 nice to go the extra step to accommodate the residents. Mr. Monn stated that they would do
16 whatever they could to accommodate the residents in the area. He explained that from a visual
17 standpoint the resulting screen is more obtrusive than the actual unit noting that from noise
18 standpoint, roof top units are not an issue. He stated that if screening is a requirement that they
19 would implement the screening. He noted that from previous experience this would not be a
20 good resolution. Commissioner Stromgren asked for clarification of the roof slope and
21 placement of units. Mr. Monn reviewed with the Commission.
ibCommissioner Stromgren referenced the elevations and asked Mr. Monn to review the elevations
24 and storm water drainage with the Commission.
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26 Commissioner Hanson asked if they could place one-way glass on the northern service side of
27 the building. Mr. Monn stated that they have installed this type of glass in certain cases to dress
28 up the walls. He explained that it would create additional problems due to caulking and weather
29 stripping adding that it is not a good solution architecturally.
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31 Vice Chair Stille asked if there were any plans for a roof top patio. Mr. Monn stated that there
32 were no plans for a roof top patio and reviewed their concerns with the Commission.
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34 Barry Tetland, Crossroads Fitness Center, asked for further clarification of the process. Chair
35 Melsha clarified the process for Mr. Tetland stating that the Planning Commission reviews the
36 proposal and provides a recommendation to the City Council for consideration. Mr. Tetland
37 stated that he reviewed the proposal, the variance requests and setbacks noting that initially he
38 felt there would be too much brick on the building. He expressed concerns regarding the type of
39 clientele the sports bar would bring stating that they would prefer to see a family type restaurant
40 in the area versus another sports bar. He expressed concerns that this project would affect land
41 values and asked how it would affect the surrounding residential properties. He expressed
42 concerns stating that serious thought needs to go into this proposal. He stated that he is very
43 pleased with the proposed landscaping and expressed hopes that it would not diminish. He
11 stated that he believes they are trying to put too much into such a small space.
46 Chair Melsha closed the public hearing at 8:40 p.m.
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I* Chair Melsha noted that the new trend in planning is to bring the buildings closer to the street.
2 He expressed his disappointment that the north-facing wall has no windows. He agreed that the
3 design should be friendly to the area adding that it does need more work. He acknowledged that
4 had they used the same footprint as the Stonehouse it would have also required variances, as the
5 shape of the property is very unique and difficult to work with. He stated that he is sympathetic
6 to the concerns regarding noise levels adding that he believes this could be addressed through
7 conditions.
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9 Vice Chair Stille acknowledged the uniqueness of the site and reviewed his concerns with the
10 parking issues. He agreed that there is a need to plan appropriately. He stated that he would like
11 to be efficient in how they handle this site adding that the Commission wants to be sure the
12 neighbors are not impacted by this project.
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14 Commissioner Stromgren reviewed the conditional use permit for the restaurant noting that
15 procedurally it applies to more than just the structure. He acknowledged that the setback issues
16 are being addressed adding that the conditional use issues should be clarified further. Chair
17 Melsha stated that this could be addressed in the conditions. He stated that some of the
18 conditions would require a response back to the Council by next week.
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20 Commissioner Hanson asked if the City Council has decided if the operation is lam or 2am. Ms.
21 Hall stated that the final determination has not been made. Chair Melsha added that Council is
considering placing operational hours back to 1:00 a.m. versus 2:00 a.m. closing time, it is
J6 currently 2 am.
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25 Commissioner Hanson stated that he would like to see the trash bins placed inside the building
26 or attached to the building. Vice Chair Stille and Commissioner Stromgren agreed stating that
27 the area should be kept tidy in appearance and consistent with the building and landscaping plan.
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29 Commissioner Hanson stated that he would like a condition included that would state no outside
30 seating or music after 9:00 p.m. Chair Melsha and Vice Chair Stille agreed stating that music is
31 not vital to an outdoor experience.
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33 Commissioner Hoska asked Mike Larson, Liquor Operations, what the hours were for outside
34 seating at the Stonehouse. Mr. Larson stated that the outside seating for the Stonehouse ended at
35 dusk, approximately 9:00 p.m. and that the music was on, but kept very low in volume.
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37 MOTION- Conditional Use Permit
38 Motion by Commissioner Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stille to recommend
39 approval of the Conditional Use Permit under the following conditions: 1. Garbage areas are
40 enclosed with materials that match; 2. Lighting must be `down spill' with no spillage to the R-1
41 properties across Kenzie Terrace and confirm with adjacent area(St. Anthony Boulevard); 3.
42 Hours for outside seating shall not exceed 9:00 p.m.; 4. No music or other artificial noise shall
43 be audible from any residential district; 5. Liquor Store and restaurant shall be in compliance
with all other state, city and other applicable laws and regulations; 6. That the City Engineers
16 approve the plan, including a determination that the proposed plan will not have an adverse
46 impact on the current water run-off situation; 7. Will address sidewalk connectivity; 8. Move
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the outside Patio to the east side of the building; 9. Consider screening of the roof-top
2 ventilation systems; 10. Investigate options to break up the mass on the north side of the
3 building; 11. Landscape the north side of the building; 12. Conform the design and model to the
4 Savage store; 13. Hours of operation coincide with liquor store service hours.
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6 The Commissioners recommended approval of the liquor store conditional use permit, with no
7 conditions attached.
8 Motion carried unanimously.
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10 Chair Melsha reviewed the variance issues with the Commission.
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12 Commissioner Tillman clarified her concerns with the front yard setback and reviewed with the
13 Commission. She acknowledged that the plan currently proposes a good buffer noting that it
14 could become an issue if the streets should ever need to be reconfigured. She expressed
15 concerns that too much is being placed on the site. She expressed concerns that there would not
16 be enough parking.
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18 Commissioner Hanson expressed concerns that they have not identified all of the tenants yet. He
19 noted that they could place the restaurant and liquor store, without the other tenants and probably
20 be very successful. He expressed concerns that this is too much between the parking variance
21 and the setback variances. Chair Melsha explained that it would be too difficult to do anything
0 on this parcel without variances.
24 Commissioner Stromgren stated that he is inclined to recommend the front yard variances in the
25 interest of maximizing parking. Chair Melsha stated that he is inclined to approve all three
26 variances and reviewed his concerns with the Commission. Commissioner Hoska agreed with
27 Commissioner Stromgren to grant variances C through F. He stated that he has discussed the
28 restaurant with several residents noting that they do want the restaurant. He agreed that it is an
29 odd shaped lot adding that the architect and developer have done a good job making it work.
30
31 MOTION—Variance 1
32 Motion by Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stille, to recommend approval of the two
33 front yard setback variances of 30 feet and 5 feet based on findings for undue hardships with
34 parcel; 1. The property is currently blighted, poorly planned with regards to layout and is an
35 overall detriment to the area. 2. Undue hardship exists based on the following: The hardship is
36 a result of an oddly shaped parcel that is generally triangular in shape with a rounded side.
37 These circumstances are not caused by the applicant or property owner. Also, the additional
38 land between the property line in question and the adjacent streets mitigates the impact of the
39 variance. The variance, if granted, would not alter the essential character of the locality, but
40 would essentially replace existing blighted structures with new, more aesthetically pleasing
41 buildings; The property cannot be put to reasonable use without the requested variance because
42 even reconstructing the existing blighted buildings on the same footprints would require set back
43 variances; Economic consideration alone are not the basis for better layout; 3. The
circumstances creating this hardship are unique to this oddly shaped property; The variance will
10 allow the property to maximize parking; 4. Granting of the variance will keep within the spirit
46 and intent of zoning code and further, it is consistent with the City's Comprehensive Plan.
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toMotion carried 5— 1 (1 Nay—Commissioner Tillman).
2
3 MOTION—Variance 2
4 Motion by Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stromgren, to recommend approval of the
5 one rear yard setback variance of 10 feet for a proposed setback of 10 feet at the southeast corner
6 property line jog. 1. The property in question is currently blighted and poorly planned with
7 regards to layout and is an overall detriment to the area. 2. Undue hardship exists based on the
8 following: Circumstances creating the hardship is an irregular parcel with a jog, not the result of
9 the owner/applicant; The variance, if granted, would not alter the essential character of the
10 locality as there is sufficient room between the property line and adjacent buildings and streets;
11 Also, the project improves the rear yard set back condition as compared to the existing blighted
12 buildings; Economic considerations done are not the reason for the variance request; Because of
13 the overall shape of the parcel, the property cannot be put to reasonable use without the need for
14 variances; 3. The variance will maintain the spirit and intent of the zoning code. 4. The
15 circumstances creating the need for the variance are unique to this property because of its' odd
16 shape.
17
18 Motion carried unanimously
19
20 MOTION—Variance 3
21 Motion by Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Hanson, to recommend approval of the
parking variance of 27 stalls for a proposed 120 parking stalls for a sit down restaurant and
ib adjacent retail. (147 required). Based on the following findings: 1. The property in question is
24 currently blighted, is poorly planned and is overall a detriment to the locale. 2. An undue
25 hardship would result if strict adherence to the ordinance were required, based on the following:
26 The hardship results from the odd shape of the parcel, and was not created by the
27 owner/applicant; The variance would not alter the essential character of the locale, but would
28 represent an improvement to the area; The property cannot be put to reasonable use without the
29 variance because of its' odd configuration; Economic conditions alone are not the basis of the
30 hardship. 3. The circumstances creating the hardship are unique to this property. 4. The
31 granting of the variance will maintain the spirit of the zoning code because of the staggered peak
32 business times for the proposed uses of the property, which will allow for adequate parking for
33 all the uses at any given time of day.
34
35 Motion carried 5-1 (1 Nay-Commissioner Hanson).
36
37 Motion by Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stille, to recommend approval of the
38 administrative subdivision request.
39
40 Motion carried unanimously
41
42 Chair Melsha called a five-minute break at 9:34 p.m.
43
16 Chair Melsha called the meeting back to order at 9:40 pm.
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7.3 City of St. Anthony. 3501/3505 Silver Lake Road.
2
3 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 9:41 p.m.
4
5 Susan Hall stated that on June 17, Oertel Architects brought forward concept plans to the
6 Planning Commission for a new fire station. She explained that the request requires a
7 conditional use permit because it is located in an R-1 zoning district and reviewed with the
8 Commission. She stated that the Fire Department is sensitive to the fact that the station would
9 be located near a residential area and acknowledged the concern regarding noise levels. She
10 explained that Chief Hewitt held a neighborhood meeting on July 9`h to receive feedback from
11 the neighbors. She stated that Jeff Oertel is present to discuss the final plans and renderings with
12 the Commission. Ms. Hall also mentioned one front yard setback variance of 11 feet is being
13 requested for the plans for a proposed setback of 19 feet.
14
15 Jeff Oertel, Oertel Architects, provided the Commission with a presentation and overview of the
16 final plans and rendering. He reviewed the variance request with the Commission stating that
17 the municipal complex includes City Hall, the Police Department, the school and park. He
18 stated that the proposed building for the site is approximately 13,000 square feet and includes
19 significant parking for staff and visitors. He stated that it would include three drive-through
20 bays for their apparatus and that the back of the building would be host to the tower, the training
21 tower and stairway. He stated that they have two options to consider for the exterior and
provided examples of the building materials for the Commission to review. He asked that they
allow the 19-foot setback due to the trees at the back of the site. He stated that they were able to
24 balance off the site so that they do not need to bring in additional fill. He provided an overview
25 of the schematic for the site and reviewed the location of building and entrances with the
26 Commission. He explained that the building consists of work areas, apparatus bays, and public
27 and office areas. He stated that the second floor indicates the staff area, dorm rooms, restrooms,
28 laundry and showers. He acknowledged the Mayor's request to consider adding an option for a
29 combined community room with training area and reviewed the request with the Commission.
30 He provided the Commission with an overview of various elevations and materials.
31
32 Chair Melsha asked what would happen if they did not get the variance. Mr. Oertel reviewed
33 stating that it does not appear to be a lot of distance, adding that it would be more consistent with
34 the adjacent residential facades. He explained that they would require approximately 10-feet for
35 a work area at the construction site. He further explained that the area they need is right to the
36 grip line of the trees stating that if they go beyond the grip line that the vegetation could be lost.
37 He stated that the amount of fill that would be needed, if they did not get the variance, would
38 considerable and would also be very costly. He further explained that the east elevation has a
39 very steep drop off noting that they were very concerned about the storm water runoff. He stated
40 that by keeping the building forward on the southeast corner would allow them to create a small
41 pond to collect the storm water runoff.
42
43 Commissioner Hanson expressed concerns regarding the fagade on the west side of the building
and asked if there were any changes. Mr. Oertel stated that the fagade did not change very
VO much. He explained that they considered using a stone infill in the middle of the building. He
46 stated that they reviewed several options noting that the change in color drew more attention to
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the fagade versus less. He explained that they tried to incorporate more windows and glass
2 noting that they had resistance from the staff because all of the functions along that wall are
3 technical in nature—the workshop, the electrical room etc. Chair Melsha asked if there were any
4 differences on a cost basis. Mr. Oertel explained that the metal roof would be more expensive.
5
6 Commissioner Hanson asked if the community room would be a possibility. Mr. Oertel stated
7 that with the current budget it would not be possible. He further stated that the Mayor had heard
8 about the possibilities of a combined community room and training center and asked that they
9 not lose sight of it during the course of the planning. He confirmed that it is not part of the
10 current budget adding that Council would need to decide.
11
12 Chief Hewitt stated that letters were sent to residents with the intent to introduce the designs and
13 explain the construction process. He stated that they encouraged residents to attend the public
14 hearing to present their issues and concerns noting that only two residents showed up at the
15 hearing. He reviewed the intent for use and the noise issues with the Commission.
16
17 Commissioner Tillman asked for further clarification on the lighting for the Fire Station. Chief
18 Hewitt stated that there would be some impact and reviewed the state law requirements for use
19 of lights and sirens with Commission.
20
21 Chair Melsha referenced the traffic issues and asked Chief Hewitt to address this issue. Chief
Hewitt reviewed the traffic warning light options with the Commission noting that they would
have to depend on the drivers paying attention when they are driving in the area. Chair Melsha
24 asked if vehicles would exit from the south side of the building. Chief Hewitt confirmed that
25 they would.
26
27 Dennis Cavanaugh thanked the Commission for their action on the restaurant. He reviewed the
28 conditional use permit as it relates to the residential areas. He stated that it is important to be
29 familiar with the residents and their concerns and reviewed the issues with the Commission. He
30 stated that he has lived with the current fire station for 25 years noting that the fire trucks have
31 large diesel engines, which do bring considerable noise. He explained that St. Anthony made
32 938 runs adding that only a few were for fires. He stated that there is considerable activity
33 noting that the south area has experienced only 40-50%of activity in the past and now would
34 experience it 100%with the new location. He encouraged the Commission to consider the
35 conditions and suggested developing a policy to determine when they can use the sirens and
36 when they can't. He expressed concerns that the noise levels could impact property values and
37 the narrow streets may not be able to handle the large equipment. He suggested that the
38 Commission review the engine idling outside noting the sound levels and fumes. He suggested
39 berming as a possible solution for noise buffer. He stated that the Commission should be aware
40 of these issues and that the residents should be able to fully enjoy their properties.
41
42 Commissioner Stromgren asked Mr. Oertel to review the noise issues. Mr. Oertel reviewed the
43 noise level issues stating that the air exhaust fan would be located towards the back of the
building. He stated that there are already guidelines in place that dictate the use of the siren and
40 horns. Commissioner Stromgren acknowledged Mr. Cavanaugh's concerns regarding the idling
46 of engines outside the building and expressed concerns regarding pollution. Mr. Oertel stated
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that he would look into the idling issue and update the Commission. Chief Hewitt explained that
2 there are times when the fire motor operators take the apparatus out to check their equipment.
3 He further explained that due to the inadequate space they would sometimes take the trucks
4 outside to idle during the winter months in order to ensure proper flow of water through the
5 apparatus.
6
7 Vice Chair Stille asked Chief Hewitt to comment on the adjacent property values. Chief Hewitt
8 stated that the Hennepin County Assessor clarified that they have not seen a decrease in property
9 values due to the location of a fire station. He stated that they have also held discussions with an
10 appraisal/realtor, noting that many residents do not mind as it adds a feeling of safety.
11
12 Chair Melsha closed public hearing at 10:20 p.m.
13
14 Chair Melsha acknowledged the noise concerns stating also that he is not too concerned with the
15 conditions as it is the City who is requesting the permit and City Council would be monitoring
16 the progress very closely. Commissioner Tillman suggested outlining the expectations for the
17 residents with respect to lighting, building appearance and noise policies so that the residents
18 would know what to expect.
19
20 Commissioner Hoska referenced the noise issues stating that he grew up two blocks from a fire
21 station. He stated that knowing the fire station was so close gave a very comforting and safe
feeling. He assured the Commission that the Fire Department would be very conscientious of
the noise levels and agreed that there is no need to add restrictions or conditions. He confirmed
24 that sirens are not used at night unless they absolutely have to. Chair Melsha clarified that they
25 could suggest an expectation noting that the conditions would never be legally enforced.
26
27 Commissioner Tillman stated that she would welcome the Fire Department if they could come
28 forward and provide a list of options that would address the noise issues. She stated that she
29 would like to see conditions included that would address the lighting and ensure that there would
30 be no spillage outside of the property area.
31
32 Motion by Commissioner Tillman, seconded by Commissioner Stromgren, to recommend
33 approval of a conditional use permit for a proposed fire station, which is located in a R-1 single-
34 family zoning district. With the following conditions: 1. lighting be contained to the property
35 and minimal spillage outside of property; 2. there be an informational listing that identifies what
36 the Fire Department plans to do to minimize noise levels; 3. put together a plan for the front of
37 the building with respect to landscaping and design; 4. recommend Plan B with the square roof
38 design; 5. request to investigate further development of the west fagade.
39
40 Motion carried unanimously
41
42 Motion by Commissioner Stromgren, seconded by Commissioner Hoska, to recommend
43 approval of one front yard setback variance of 11 feet for a proposed setback of 19 feet based on
the desire and city's interest to preserve the trees along property line that borders Central Park.
AD Also, this recognizes concern regarding depth and increasing the slope along the east side would
46 cause additional hardship.
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toMotion carried unanimously
2
3 7.4 City of St. Anthony, 3801 Chandler Drive.
4
5 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 10:35 p.m.
6
7 Susan Hall stated that last month Mr. Oertel brought forward plans for the Public Works facility.
8 She explained that the present plan includes: 1. two front yard setback variances of 28 feet and
9 21 feet for a proposed setback from the front property line to the northwest corner of the building
10 of 13 feet and from the property line to the primary facade of 18 feet; 2. one side yard setback
11 variance of 5 feet off the property line for the existing Public Works building; 3. one rear yard
12 setback variance of 4 feet for a proposed setback of 11 feet to allow the back side of the
13 proposed sale building to align with the rear elevation of the existing Public Works building;
14 and,4. one variance to allow for the proposed use of a supported membrane structure for the use
15 of salt storage and loading. Ms. Hall reviewed the requests with the Commission. She stated that
16 the requested variances would allow the Public Works Department to build structures on site
17 without causing compromise to the use of the site. She reviewed the building materials and
18 structure with the Commission.
19
20 Mr. Oertel provided the Commission with a brief overview stating that they are using the entire
21 site for the existing Public Works operation. He explained that the goal is to demolish
approximately 2/3's of the existing building, saving the rear third for shop storage. He explained
is that the variance would allow them to keep this part of the building. He explained that the salt
24 shed would be adjacent to the north noting that the variances involve the northwest corner of the
25 site. He stated that the site is unusual and rectangular in shape except at the corner. He stated
26 that they are very aware of how key this is to the City adding that the Wetland Commission
27 might not require a retention pond adding that it is good public policy to keep it going. He
28 reviewed the dimensions of the building and the green space with the Commission. He noted
29 that the green space would be a holding area for water. He provided the Commission with
30 examples of the materials to be used for the back of the building and reviewed the elevation
31 designs with the Commission.
32
33 Chair Melsha noted property is fenced. Mr. Oertel stated the entire site would be fenced
34 including the pond. He referenced the western portion of site stating that this area would always
35 be outside accessible and used for parking.
36
37 Commissioner Stromgren asked what materials would be used around the ponds. Mr. Oertel
38 stated that they are considering a clay liner with prairie type grass.
39
40 Vice Chair Stille asked how visible the salt barrel would be from the street and to the neighbors
41 across the property line. Mr. Oertel stated that it would be visible from the street due to its
42 height and that the fuel island system would be sitting in front of the salt barrel.
43
Commissioner Hanson asked if this is a permanent structure. Mr. Oertel explained that the
membrane can be removed and that the intent is that the roof would remain in place year round.
46 He noted that they would have to replace the roof in approximately twenty years.
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Vice Chair Stille asked if they would be including any green space to the plan. Mr. Oertel stated
2 that there is a lot of unpaved area and that their goal is to have the entire front and northern
3 portion of the building landscaped.
4
5 Commissioner Stromgren asked for further clarification of the metal buildings located on the
6 northern portion of the site. Mr. Oertel reviewed the main entrance of building stating that this
7 location is very close to where you would enter the two bays for the fire department right now.
8
9 Commissioner Stromgren referenced the timber storage bins on the south end and asked if it is
10 for sand or mulch. Mr. Oertel stated that it is actually for the sand and materials that are class 5.
11 He stated that the Public Works Department would like to have as tall of a wall as is possible
12 made of concrete noting that it would probably have 5-foot, heavy timbers with a fence above.
13
14 Chair Melsha closed the public hearing at 10:54 p.m.
15
16 Commissioner Hanson asked if staff has received any comments from residents. Ms. Hall stated
17 that they have not received any comments from the residents.
18
19 Motion by Commissioner Stille, seconded by Commissioner Tillman, to recommend approval of
20 the first three variances as for this project, as listed above, and previously presented by Ms. Hall.
21 The hardships identified by not granting the variances include: 1. It would compromise the use
of the site with the nature of the Public Works Facility and 2. Granting the variance would not
J6 alter the character of surrounding neighborhood and community. Additional hardship is due to
24 the property shape and the site is not a square site but is unique to the northwest corner.
25
26 Motion carried unanimously
27
28 Motion by Commissioner Stromgren, seconded by Commissioner Hoska, to recommend
29 approval of the structure to allow for the proposed use of a supported membrane structure
30 appropriate for the use of salt storage and loading.
31
32 Motion carried unanimously
33
34 7.5 Health Care Plus, Inc., 2500 Highway 88, #105, a conditional use permit for an adult day
35 care facility.
36
37 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 11:03 p.m.
38
39 Susan Hall stated that Health Care Plus is requesting a conditional use permit and reviewed the
40 request with the Commission.
41
42 David Olshansky, Administrator,provided an overview of the adult daycare services that the
43 center would provide noting that the intent of the center is to provide for adults who are in need
of assistance. He reviewed the differences between an adult daycare and home health care
10 services with the Commission. He stated that it is their hope to be open for approximately 15 to
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17 people and the hours of operation would be from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. He assured the
2 Commission that they would not go beyond normal business hours.
3
4 Karen McDonald, 3013 Crestview Drive, stated that she has worked at local nursing homes in
5 the area and as a public health nurse. She indicated she plans to work at Health Care Plus as the
6 Medical Director. She stated that there is a high need for adult daycares due to the rising costs
7 for nursing home care. She explained that the Health Care Center would be a place where adults
8 could go to have meals, receive physical therapy and medication, where they would check vital
9 signs, work with doctors and participate in activities. She clarified that they would probably
10 have some extended hours due to people dropping off individuals before and after their workday.
11 Vice Chair Stille asked what would be considered the typical mobility of the client base. Ms.
12 McDonald explained that it would be wheel chair accessible and also include ambulatory.
13 Commissioner Hanson asked what the ratio would be patient to staff. Mr. Olshansky stated that
14 the ratio would be 1 to 8.
15
16 Chair Melsha referenced the location stating that it does not appear to be a good loading spot.
17 Mr. Olshansky explained that they would have handicapped spaces and that they have consulted
18 with the Building Inspector and Fire Marshall to address the access issues.
19
20 Commissioner Hanson asked what the square footage is for the location. Mr. Olshansky stated
21 that the square footage is approximately 1200 square feet and a ratio of 40 feet per person, which
would accommodate between 15 to 17 people. Chair Melsha asked if this is regulated by the
ib State. Mr. Olshansky confirmed that it is regulated by the State.
24
25 Vice Chair Stille asked if the handicap ramp is regulated by the State. Commissioner Stromgren
26 clarified that this would be regulated by the Building Inspection Department.
27
28 Commissioner Stromgren asked for further clarification of the extended hours. Ms. McDonald
29 explained that they are considering 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. for their open hours in order to
30 accommodate the working day and consider individual needs.
31
32 Chair Melsha closed the public hearing at 11:15 p.m.
33
34 Motion by Commissioner Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stromgren, to recommend
35 approval of Health Care Plus, Inc.'s request for a conditional use permit for an adult day care
36 facility located at 2500 Highway 88, #105, with the condition that they maintain and comply
37 with all federal, state and local laws as applicable while in operation in St. Anthony Village.
38
39 Motion carried unanimously
40
41 7.6 Northgate Condominium Owner's Association and LeRoy Sign Co., 2500 Highway 88,
42 Sign Variance Request.
43
10 Chair Melsha opened the public hearing at 11:17 p.m.
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Susan Hall stated that the Northgate Office Park has submitted a request for a pylon sign and
2 will need the following variances: 1. an 8 foot height variance to allow for a 16 foot sign; 2. a 10
3 foot setback variance to allow for a 5 foot setback from the driveway; 3. a variance of 16 square
4 feet to allow for a sign surface area of 96 square feet for 2 copy surfaces; and, 4. a variance for a
5 pylon sign. She explained that the City Manager has rejected the sign plan because Northgate
6 has deviated too far from the sign ordinance. She reviewed the setback requirements and the
7 sign ordinance with the Commission. She explained that the tenants requested the proposed sign
8 because the tenants require visibility for their businesses. She stated that the Applicant did
9 mention a need for a height variance and did recognize the driveway setback. She stated that
10 based upon staff review there would be additional variances required noting that the pylon sign
11 is not allowed. She stated that the only exception in the City is the commercial zoning for gas
12 stations, otherwise all businesses are required to utilize a ground or sign. In addition, there is a
13 limit to the allowable square footage of a sign. The applicant is proposing a sign larger than what
14 is allowed as a ground sign.
15
16 Jerry Kellgren, currently treasurer for the condominium association, explained that the reason for
17 the sign is to provide visibility. He stated that the sign is strictly for identification and visibility.
18 He further explained that they are requesting the variance in order to have the sign at least 7 to 8
19 feet off the ground in order to avoid having to remove a tree in the vicinity. He stated that if
20 they used a ground sign the tree would block the sign and therefore, have to be removed. He
21 explained that the current landscaping includes scrubs and rock noting that it would be kept
iobasically the same except to possibly add more shrubs.
24 Chair Melsha asked for further clarification for the proposed location of the sign. Mr. Kellgren
25 reviewed the location of the sign stating that the sign would be to the right of the entrance. He
26 stated that the drive up teller would be removed from the location.
27
28 Chair Melsha recommended that they work with the staff and present a different plan that would
29 be more in line with the current sign ordinance. Commissioner Tillman suggested modeling
30 their design to be similar to the sign used at the Walgreens or the dental office across from TCF.
31 Kevin Applequist, owner, asked for further clarification of the type of sign used by the dental
32 office. Commissioner Tillman clarified and suggested that they drive by to get a better visual of
33 what the sign would look like.
34
35 Commissioner Hanson clarified that the monument sign would probably only require one
36 variance versus the number of variances they are currently requesting.
37
38 Chair Melsha encouraged them to contact and discuss the issues with staff. He further explained
39 the process noting that they would have to fill out forms for the new variance request for another
40 public hearing.
41
42 Chair Melsha closed the public hearing at 11:43 p.m.
43
Motion by Commissioner Chair Melsha, seconded by Commissioner Stromgren, to recommend
41 denial of the Northgate Condominium Owner's Association and LeRoy Sign Co., 2500 Highway
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88, sign variance requests because the requests are too far out of line from the City's sign
2 ordinance and a pylon sign is not allowed by the sign ordinance.
3
4 Motion carried unanimously
5
6 IX. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION.
7
8 Vice Chair Stille agreed with Mr. Cavanaugh's statement regarding removal of signs that
9 have expired or are negative in nature. He suggested reviewing the signage requirements in
10 order to determine how long a sign should be up and when it should be removed.
11
12 X. ANNOUNCEMENTS.
13 NONE
14
15 XI. ADJOURNMENT.
16 Motion by Commissioner Tillman, second by Commissioner Hoska, to adjourn the meeting at
17 11:45 p.m.
18
19 Motion carried unanimously.
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21
isRespectfully submitted,
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25 Bonnie Sullivan
26 Timesaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.
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