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JOINT CITY COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD MEETING
NOVEMBER 28, 2000
7:00 PM
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING REGARDING CENTRAL PARK
DECEMBER 11, 2000
6:30 PM - MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM
CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
PARKS COMMISSION AGENDA
December 11, 2000
7:00 PM
Multi -Purpose Room
I. CALL TO ORDER.
II. ROLL CALL.
III. APPROVE NOVEMBER 13, 2000 PARKS COMMISSION MINUTES.
IV. DISCUSS CENTRAL PARK CONCESSION STAND AND PAVILION DESIGN.
Bob Kost, BRW, Inc. will be present.
V. DISCUSS SILVER POINT PARK SHELTER AND FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR
SHELTER REPLACEMENT. Todd Hubmer, WSB & Associates, Inc., will be
present.
VI. REPORTS.
A. Community Services.
B. School Board.
C. Sports Boosters.
VII. OTHER BUSINESS.
VII. ADJOURNMENT.
I CITY OF ST. ANTHONY
2 PARKS COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
3 November 13, 2000
4 7:00 p.m.
6 Chair Jindra called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. and welcomed everyone in attendance.
7 I1. ROLL CALL.
8 Present: Chair Carol Jindra, Commissioners Dan Ganley, Julie Gebhardt,
9 Colleen Hallada, Jan Jenson, Doug Koehntop and George Wagner
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13 Also Present: Public Works Director Jay Hartman, Representative from Commu-
14 nity Services Diane Skrivseth; School Board Representative
15 Denise Dunn, Representative from Sports Boosters George Zurbey,
16 City Council Liaison Brian Thuesen.
17
18 III. APPROVE SEPTEMBER 11, 2000 PARKS COMMISSION MINUTES.
.9 Motion by Koehntop, second by Jenson, to approve the September 11, 2000 Parks Commission
20 Meeting Minutes as submitted.
21 Motion carried unanimously.
22 IV. DISCUSS CENTRAL PARK REDEVELOPMENT ITEMS and PRESENTATION TO
23 THE SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL FOR SEPTEMBER 26, 2000.
24 Jindra reported that following the last meeting, the City Council approved the Central Park
25 redevelopment plan.
26 City Council Liaison Thuesen stated he may not have clearly stated his position during the first
27 meeting and the issues of the park and financing got clouded. He stated he has always been in
28 favor of the park and was impressed with the tremendous job done by the Commission and how
29 they have gone through the process. However, he has reservations regarding the financing. City
30 Council Liaison Thuesen apologized to those Commissioners who felt they had less than his full
31 support, stating he has always supported the park. He noted, however, that the Council needs to
32 look at the "big picture" including all capital improvement projects and determine how they can
33 be funded.
34 Mr. Hartman noted the joint meeting of the City Council and School Board is scheduled for
35 November 28, 2000 and, at that time, financing will be discussed.
36 Jindra asked Mr. Kost to present drawings for the concession stand, wading pool area, and Silver
37 Point Park shelter.
Parks Commission Meeting Minutes
November 13, 2000
Page 2
1 Bob Kost, BRW, updated the Commission on the Water Tower playground project, reporting
2 that the punch list has been completed. He advised of a modification needed to a panel, which
3 has also been completed. Mr. Kost stated his understanding that everything is now complete.
4 Jindra advised of a loose portion of retaining wall. City Council Liaison Thuesen stated he found
5 the retaining wall got a lot of use from the skateboarders and asked if it will hold up better now
6 that there is a separate skate park. Mr. Kost stated the retaining wall will hold up to normal
7 usage but was not intended for skateboarding use.
8 Mr. Hartman stated that section has been reglued and staff will inspect it to assure it was
9 adequately repaired.
10 Mr. Kost stated they will also work out liquidated damages which are currently being discussed
11 in the range of $11,000.
12 Mr. Kost addressed the Silver Point Park shelter by presenting pictures of shelters and reviewed
13 the discussion related to cost that had occurred to date. He stated it needs to be understood that
14 BRW is a sub -consultant on this project.
15 Jindra asked what can be spent on this shelter. Mr. Kost stated a number for the shelter was
16 carried in the budget and a shelter was designed. He stated they will have to determine where the
17 project ended and how much had been budgeted for the shelter.
18 Mr. Hartman suggested the focus tonight be on the Central Park pavilion and the concession
19 stand area.
20
21 Zurbey asked if the Silver Point concession stand will cost $40,000. Mr. Kost stated they should
22 be able to construct a concession stand at Silver Point Park for the same cost as the one at Central
23 Park. Zurbey noted the Central Park concession stand cost $80,000. Mr. Kost stated his
24 understanding that it would not be heated but indicated he will contact Todd Hubmer to
25 determine what has been budgeted and how the building can be sited, with further discussion in
26 December.
27 City Council Liaison Thuesen asked if the warming house in Silver Point Park should be
28 expanded to include a small concession stand.
29 Zurbey inquired regarding the use of DNR funds at Silver Point Park. Mr. Kost stated he is
30 unable to answer that question at this time. Mr. Hartman stated he will research that information
31 for the Commission's review at an upcoming meeting.
Parks Commission Meeting Minutes
November 13, 2000
Page 3
I City Council Liaison Thuesen stated the City needs to complete this park 100% and do it right
2 with a warming house. He stated if dedicated funds are not available, the City will need to find
3 other funding sources.
4 Mr. Kost stated they researched a prefabricated two bathroom concession stand, however, the
5 Commission was not excited about the exterior appearance. He requested direction on the
6 exterior appearance so they can apply that to the renovation of the shelter by the wading pool.
7 Mr. Kost stated it had been discussed to use that shelter as a warming house during the winter
8 months but it would have to be renovated to meet Code and ADA requirements. Mr. Kost
9 advised of a consultant's suggestion to consider an addition to the shelter to meet those
10 requirements.
I 1 In response to Jenson, Mr. Kost stated that a walkway will be provided to the shelter. Jenson
12 requested the Commission be provided with the cost for each of the shelter designs including the
13 per square foot cost.
14 Mr. Kost noted this structure is only 4,000 to 5,000 square feet so the per square foot cost will
15 appear to be quite high. He stated once a design is selected, they will determine the cost. Mr.
s Kost presented design concepts A, B, C, and D for a concession stand with two bathrooms and
17 advised which concept cost the most and the least.
18 Jenson stated he would not support the use of a green colored metal roof and suggested the use of
19 natural earth -toned colors. Mr. Kost agreed that darker colored buildings tend to recede and be
20 less noticeable. He explained that they have not yet determined a detailed cost estimate for these
21 design concepts.
22 Mr. Hartman suggested the Commission determine the color scheme and materials they would
23 like to use on the exterior. Then a cost can be determined and if more funding is needed, the
24 Council can be approached about that need.
25 Zurbey stated he would like to know the costs for these design concepts so they are not
26 presenting something to the Council that has high add-on costs. Mr. Kost noted the design
27 selected may be used throughout the City's parks so cost is not the only issue to consider.
28 The Commission asked questions about various building materials, types of shingles
29 (shake/asphalt), durability, and color schemes. Mr. Hartman stated his preference for a metal
30 roof material since the shake roof on a current park building is often times vandalized.
31 City Council Liaison Thuesen stated it is unfortunate that you have to address vandalism but it is
'2 necessary.
Parks Commission Meeting Minutes
November 13, 2000
Page 4
1 Jindra asked if the current shelter needs to be retained and retrofitted or if it would be cheaper to
2 tear it down and build new. Mr. Kost stated a portion of that shelter is useable so he believes it
3 would be more costly to demolish and build new.
4 Jindra asked Mr. Kost to present design concepts for the pavilion. Mr. Kost stated they have not
5 yet started those concept drawings.
6 Jindra asked if the trail could be relocated to allow a building addition on that side. Mr. Kost
7 stated that could be considered and explained the remodeling concept they have been looking
8 into. He noted that adding another module would allow a simpler transition from one season to
9 the next.
10 Mr. Hartman commented on the importance of considering the cost of maintenance.
11 Mr. Kost suggested he research what the costs would be to construct an addition versus starting
12 over.
13 Gebhardt asked if the play area could have wood chips rather than the rubberized mat if it were
14 located farther away from the wading pool. Mr. Kost stated that could be considered.
15 Jindra commented on the trend to get away from wading pools and, instead, have a water spray
16 play area. Mr. Kost reviewed the depths of the wading pool. Jindra stated it may save some
17 money to get away from the wading pool and have a spray area. Mr. Kost stated they did get a
18 cost for a fountain type feature which could be plumbed in at the beginning of the project and is
19 not a "pocketbook breaker."
20 During discussion, the Commission indicated support for two bathrooms, two stalls per
21 bathroom, use of darker earth -toned colors, gable roof design (which is more vandal resistant),
22 metal standing seam roof, combination of face brick and concrete block, and inclusion of a glass
23 block window feature. Mr. Kost was asked to prepare pictures of a building with a green roof
24 and a brown roof and to determine costs for demolition and new construction or an addition.
25 Koehntop asked about the possibilities for sound abatement from the skate park. Mr. Kost stated
26 a berm with plantings could be considered but cautioned that the issue of drainage must also be
27 addressed. Koehntop noted that a concrete skate park may be less noisy. He advised that this
28 park is highly used and stated he would appreciate consideration of sound abatement through a
29 berm and landscaping.
30 Jindra advised that police officers asked that the City consider installing a drinking fountain,
31 telephone, and bathroom at the skate park. The police officer had suggested use of the existing
32 warming house. Mr. Hartman stated that shelter is not ADA compliant and would have to be
33 retrofitted.
Parks Commission Meeting Minutes
November 13, 2000
Page 5
1 City Council Liaison Thuesen stated it was brought to his attention that one of the youth came
2 into the building, entered a classroom, and asked who could tum on the lights. He stated the
3 suggestions made by the police officer would help resolve some of those concerns.
4 Gebhardt stated she has been asked three times for money to use the telephone.
5 Jenson noted the shelter has an available sewer system connection so it may not be too difficult
6 to meet ADA requirements. Mr. Hartman estimated a cost of $50,000 to install two single
7 bathrooms where the satellite bathrooms are now located.
8 Mr. Hartman noted that satellite bathrooms are accessible to the skate board park. He explained
9 that the back door to the Community Center is a police access and others are to enter the
10 Community Center via the front door.
1 t Jindra thanked Mr. Kost for his presentation. It was noted that at the December 11, 2000
12 meeting, the Skycroft neighborhood will be invited to provide input at 6:30 p.m. on the entrance,
13 Maplewood extension, and lighting. The new concept designs will be presented at 7:00 p.m.
I V. DISCUS SILVER POINT PARK SKATING ACTIVITIES.
15 Gebhardt requested clarification on the type of hockey boards that are being installed (temporary
16 versus permanent). Mr. Hartman explained that the permanent boards will not interfere with ball
17 games.
18 Zurbey stated he believes the boards will impact ball games since the boards are being placed in
19 a "C" shape. He stated the boards should not be sticking out north/south or east/west. Mr.
20 Hartman stated the residents were promised there would be recreational skating and hockey this
21 year. He stated he will check with Todd Hubmer about the board placement.
22 Jenson asked why the configuration used at Emerald Park could not be replicated. Mr. Hartman
23 stated it was desired to keep the radius intact since the boards would be permanent.
24 In response to Jindra, Mr. Hartman stated the boards are higher than at Emerald Park to make up
25 the elevation difference.
26 Jindra stated the players bench fence at Emerald Park is higher (5.5 feet) than the fence at the
27 varsity field (4.5 feet). She also noted the backstop does not contain a hood to stop foul balls and
28 there is now a reduced number of landscape plantings.
29 Jindra suggested the Commission consider paving the inside of the hockey rink so it can be used
10 for younger -aged skaters. Mr. Hartman stated this will have to be discussed with Ted Severson
- 3 t since he was told it could be used as a soccer field. Jindra suggested the area behind the drainage
32 ditch could be used for soccer.
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November 13, 2000
Page 6
1 Jindra asked staff to determine if the fence is high enough to provide safety. Zurbey stated he
2 feels BRW should be catching these types of issues, especially safety issues. Mr. Hartman
3 agreed that BRW should know the specifics.
4 Jindra noted the addition of three signs for $4,500 and stated she thought the signs had all been
5 ordered. Mr. Hartman stated they may be proposing signs at new locations.
6 Mr. Hartman explained that adjustments can be considered next year
7 Skrivseth asked where older aged hockey players can play. Mr. Hartman explained that typically
8 full sized hockey rinks are no longer installed and a consultant had suggested a half rink.
9 Gebhardt asked when ice will go in. Mr. Hartman estimated the boards will be installed within
10 two weeks.
1l Jenson suggested the Commission not pave the Central Park hockey rink right away and, instead,
12 consider what Roseville did to install cabling which would provide skating activity during
13 warmer winter weather. He stated he does not know what the cost would be but suggested staff
14 analyze that option which has been very successful in Roseville.
15 Zurbey explained the type of equipment that would be needed for this type of rink and stated the
16 cost may be quite high.
17 VI. REPORTS
18 A. Community Services.
19 Diane Skrivseth asked that when the park is in the midst of being redone, the City consider the
20 upper parking lot which is currently used for senior trips and Community Service staff parking.
21 Wagner stated that parking lot will probably be used for construction activity parking.
22 B. School Board.
23 Denise Dunn reminded all of the Tuesday, November 28, 2000, joint public hearing which will
24 be televised. She advised the School Board appointed Jane Eckert to serve on the Northwest.
25 Quadrant Task Force as their representative.
26 Jindra noted the letter from the Mayor asking the Commission to consider appointing someone to
27 the Northwest Quadrant Task Force. She asked Council Liaison Thuesen to keep the
28 Commission informed of those discussions.
29 C. Sports Boosters.
30 George Zurbey reported that City Manager Mike Mornson attended the last Sports Boosters
31 meeting and presented the plan and funding of the plan. Mr. Morrison also talked about the
32 situation at the Stonehouse since profits from charitable gambling have been down. Mr.
Parks Commission Meeting Minutes
November 13, 2000
Page 7
1 Momson indicated they are looking at opportunities for other restaurants but the real issue is that
2 the City can not issue a Sunday liquor license.
3 City Council Liaison Thuesen explained that a voter referendum would be needed to approve a
4 Sunday liquor license. He advised that a report was conducted on the condition of City
5 buildings, including the Stonehouse and Fire Station, and it was recommended that no significant
6 money be put into the Stonehouse or the Fire Station.
7 Zurbey reported that they purchased two pianos this year and $20,000 worth of varsity band
8 equipment last year. He noted that the money coming in from charitable gambling is not only
9 spent on sport programs.
10 Zurbey stated all parties will have to make plans to play elsewhere so they are working on that
11 issue.
12 Jindra stated she met with Jay Hartman and Mike Morrison and discussed the number of grants
13 that are available. She presented the letter she drafted encouraging donations for a drinking
14 fountain, a set of bleachers, and restroom. Zurbey explained that letter must come from a
5 nonprofit entity. Mr. Hartman stated he will redraft the letter and direct it to the proper entity.
16 Jindra stated she has learned that the Northeast Lions has a fair amount of money available if the
17 City can show that a number of northeast Minneapolis residents use St. Anthony parks and
18 programs. She stated she contacted a Northeast Lions representative and had asked staff to
19 determine what the percentage of participation would be.
20 VII. OTHER BUSINESS.
21 A. Discuss Parks Commissioners' Terms Ending December 31, 2000.
22 Jindra asked that anyone with a term expiring on December 31, 2000 who is interested in
23 renewing send letter to the City Manager by December 1, 2000 or let staff know if they are not
24 interested so staff can advertise.
25 Mr. Hartman stated Todd Hubmer had a resident meeting for lighting at Silver Point. He stated
26 he has the proposal for lighting available for review. The Commissioners asked for a copy of
27 that information to be included in the next meeting packet.
28 Jindra thanked Skrivseth for attending that resident meeting.
29 Skrivseth suggested that the residents of Silver Point at the December 11, 2000 neighborhood
30 meeting also be asked about the issues of shelter, color, and style.
31 Mr. Hartman stated, perhaps, a second meeting should be scheduled to address building colors
32 and styles. Skrivseth agreed that a second meeting is needed. She stated that at the meeting, the
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November 13, 2000
Page 8
I lights at the skating park were turned on so they could better understand the intensity of the
2 lighting. She suggested the residents at the December 11th meeting also be shown the lights.
3 Jindra reported on the location of unsafe mesh fencing north of the Community Center that
4 should be removed and has now resulted in several injuries. She asked that staff address that
5 issue and determine if steps are needed to provide a safer access to the Community Center.
6
7 VIII. ADJOURNMENT.
8 Motion by Jenson, second by Hallada, to adjourn the meeting at 9:12 p.m.
9 Respectfully submitted,
to Carla Wirth
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