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COUNCIL MINUTES OCTOBER 13, 2003 APPROVED •503 Mr. Kinghorn stated if the bids exceed the estimate by 10% they cannot proceed. He asked if the 504 City would have to go out for another referendum. City Attorney Hawkins indicated if the bid 505 exceeds the estimate by 10% they cannot award the bid and if they cannot fund it, they would have to 506 go back for a referendum. Mr. Kinghorn stated he believes that what they are saying, in essence, is 507 that if the plan (which he feels he has had no input on) goes over the estimate, he cannot have trails. 508 City Attorney Hawkins indicated what they are saying is everyone gets a road in front of their house. 509 He stated if a neighborhood wants more, they have to pay 100% of those costs. Mr. Kinghorn asked 510 how the Elm Creek neighborhood got sidewalks. Community Development Director Grochala 511 explained the City has a park and trail plan that included the Elm Creek neighborhood. 512 513 Mr. Kinghorn indicated if they are going to put a street in they should consider not putting it in 514 without City sewer and water. He also asked what they would do about access during the 515 construction. City Engineer Studenski advised they are here discussing the street construction. He 516 stated they have been in contact with the golf course on access from the north end, and as they get 517 into the plan they will have more specifics. He indicated as for the utilities they know it will be 518 difficult with the long cul-de-sac, and Staff will have to look at depths and the logistics of bringing 519 utilities in. 520 521 Mr. Kinghorn stated regarding drainage, the report says land may have to be acquired to do that. He 522 asked if Staff knew whose property would be acquired. City Engineer Studenski stated they did not 523 know at this time. They will have to work through the drainage as part of the development plan, but 524 there are no specific lots that have been targeted. Mr. Kinghorn indicated he wants to make sure the •525 homeowners are part of the planning process and have a voice in determining what happens on their 526 street. 527 528 Jason LaPlante, 6889 West Shadow Lake Drive stated he is not completely opposed to the project, 529 but from an engineering standpoint, he believes it is a million dollar solution to a thousand dollar 530 problem. He stated they will have a 28 -foot road when a one -lane dead-end has been fine. He 531 indicated he has lived there a long time and has never had a problem with the 23 -foot road. He asked 532 why they could not put a 24 -foot concrete overlay onto the road that is there. 533 534 City Engineer Studenski stated as far as the street width, the City standard for residential roads is 32 535 feet. They have already looked at making an adjustment for the character of the area so they have 536 reduced that to 28 feet. He stated they have emergency vehicle issues and parking issues. He is glad 537 to hear there are no problems with the narrow road, but Staff also gets calls asking why the City 538 allows a sub -standard road. He indicated as to putting some kind of covering over what is there, the 539 street is not to any standard now. He stated they will have varying design criteria of what is needed 540 and differences in sub -grade, all of which has not been fully determined. 541 542 Mr. LaPlante indicated he would still contend a concrete road would be acceptable. He stated the 543 road has not suffered any severe deterioration since he has lived there. He indicated the report says it 544 would be a 10 -year road because there is no curb and gutter, but he has been there 30 years with little 545 deterioration. He indicated concrete would work, and he would like to discuss it further with staff. 546 He stated he is also curious about drainage, as his property serves as a pond now, and he is curious .47 where the added land will come from. He assumes it will have to be the golf course side. 548 12