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COUNCIL MINUTES MARCH 22, 2004 APPROVED 336 Councilmember Reinert stated as for condition #11, who would pay for the turn lane if the church 111337 does not. Ms. Steinwell indicated according to their engineers, the cost should be about $30,000, so 338 the amount should be sufficient. She stated if other pots of money can be found to help with the 339 funding from Mn/Dot or Anoka County, the church would be open to that. 340 341 Councilmember Reinert stated he was hoping for no surprises tonight, especially since they went 342 though this in detail last Wednesday for four hours with no mention of these changes. He indicated 343 the traffic flow they reviewed had a delicate balance, and to issue a certificate of occupancy before the 344 turn lane is completed does not seem reasonable. He reiterated he did not want surprises, and now 345 that is exactly what is being brought to the Council. 346 347 Mayor Bergeson stated what they have done in the past is to have the City Engineer do an estimate, 348 and then require an escrow equal to 125% of that estimate. Ms. Steinwell stated that would be an 349 acceptable solution, and it would make the church feel better to have a set amount of cost, and deposit 350 an amount to cover than, rather than have language that submits the church to an open amount. She 351 apologized for the surprises, stating that was not their intent. She indicated when she saw this 352 language she thought it was an open checkbook issue, and should have noticed it earlier. 353 354 Councilmember Reinert stated he is not looking to blame anyone, and if the church wants to go after 355 another agency besides Lino Lakes, they are welcome to do so, but this cannot be an open item on the 356 City's side. 357 358 Councilmember Dahl stated she was out of state until Sunday night, and had asked Staff and the City Aik 359 Administrator to send her express mail the information on Eagle Brook so she could read it on the lir 360 plane. She indicated that was not possible because Staff had to go through the information submitted 361 by Eagle Brook and the Heron Group. She stated today she asked someone to bring over the tapes 362 from the work session so she could listen to what was said, but that was not possible because when 363 she received the tapes there was too much hum on the tapes. She indicated she tried to speed read to 364 go through the material, and right now is gathering her thoughts. She stated she also does not 365 understand why these changes are coming up tonight, because if the church had the information since 366 Friday she would have hoped they would have worked this out. 367 368 Vern Swing indicated he works for ROK Construction as a traffic engineer. He stated he looks at big 369 box retail and large residential developments and evaluates the impact they will have on the 370 surrounding road system. He stated in the workshop they discussed how many extra trips would be 371 caused by the church. He indicated the number is 1680. Although Staff said 840, between the hours 372 of 10:00 and 11:00 there is traffic entering and exiting, so the real number is 1680. He stated big box 373 retail generates approximately 950 peak hour trips, with 12,000 trips a day. He indicated the church 374 will generate 4050. He explained that in order to analyze the big box impact he always looks at how 375 it would affect the surrounding area. He stated if the traffic can be mitigated, they feel they can 376 justify 12,000 trips a day. He indicated in the case of the church, he feels that has not been done. He 377 stated the church is not a big box retailer, but a big box will come and go fairly uniformly in an hour, 378 whereas the church is putting it all in a half hour, with 70% in the last 15 minutes before the service 379 starts. He indicated this will exacerbate the existing traffic conditions. He advised traffic flow is like 380 a liquid substance being poured into a funnel. In the case of large scale retail establishments, what 381 they do is make the funnel large enough to handle the traffic going into it. He stated in the case of the 382 church, it shows the liquid will still flow over. He indicated there is not sufficient capacity to hold 383 the traffic dumped on it. He stated in regard to the right turn lane there is no analysis that the turn 8