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in existence do not have to comply with the sign requirements. John submitted pictures of signs in Phoenix, AZ that were smaller and visible. Council member DeLapp stated coming from the west see 20 sq.ft. of signage. From the south and north it's 38 sq.ft. No pricing is seen from the north. From the east you see the full ball and prices. Who are they being competitive with, stations within St. Paul. Council member Johnston tried to visualize a 7 x 10' sign as not being adequate. She is not convinced a 7 x 10' sign is necessary. Most of the people getting gas are Lake Elmo residents and not the travelling public. M/S/F Hunt/Dunn — to overturn the denial by the Planning Commission for a 70 sq.ft. sign and grant approval of a 70 sq.ft. free standing sign based on lot size and shape forcing pumping area to roadside, clutter of number of signs makes Lake Elmo Oil sign difficult to see. (Motion failed 2-3:John, Johnston, DeLapp). Mayor John did not feel the Novaks had adequate 98.5 sq.ft. sign because if you reduce it down to 70' sq.ft., the projected area is a circle. If you were to go as small as 30' sign in a 40 mph zone, the sign is capable of being seen. Council member Johnston stated the 40 mph sign is so close to the road, it is visible to the travelling public. Council member DeLapp pointed out the Planner superimposed signage and made the 30 sq.ft, sign very legible. M/S/ John/DeLapp — to propose allowing a 54 sq.ft. free standing sign. Council member Dunn felt the safety issue is important and Lake Elmo Oil could consolidate signage into one size. Yvette Oldendorf, Village Commission, stated CITGO is imposing the signage and signs can be made at any size. CITGO has to comply with Lake Elmo' sign ordinance, Lake Elmo doesn't have to comply with CITGO's sign standards. M/S/P Dunn/Hunt— to amend the existing motion to allow a 70 sq.ft. free standing sign based on the unique size and shape of the lot, cars are travelling at 40 mph on a State Highway 5 and cannot see the signs, and the visual impact is no worse than what exists. (Motion passed 3-2:John, DeLapp) Council member Johnson commented this is a large sign and asked the business community to take time to come in and voice concerns to the Planning Commission. 2. Appeal by Ann Pung-Terwedo, City Planner, Signage on Canopy for Lake Elmo Oil M/S/P Hunt/Dunn — to uphold the Planning Commission recommendation for placement of three 3 ft. x 3 ft. CITGO signs on the west, east and north of the canopy as shown on the plan based on the finding that the button is a brand identification only and not for advertising. When business is closed, the sign is off. (Motion passed 5-0). The Council adjourned the meeting at 7:30 p.m