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1 was a real need , to . provide -some sort of 'commercial, supervised • 2 entertainment outside , of 'school ,and church activities - for• .the• City' s 3 youth rather—'than - to force them -to- go '- outside -the City seeking 4 recreational facilities and activities over which their parents would 5 have less control. However , . the Councilmember. indicated, he shared 6 -the concerns of Mayor Sundland and Councilmembers Ranallo, Makowske, 7 and Enrooth about the proposed location. 8 Norman Pink and Gene Winstead, representing the arcade company, and 9 Dennis Cavanaugh, speaking for Apache management, reiterated many of 10 the points they had made during the .- September 15th Commission 11 hearing and the - September 22nd Council consideration of the issues . 12 Included in these were their , position that there was already an 13 arcade in the Apache Bowling Alley where 3 . 2 beer is sold for consump- 14 tion in the arcade and the difficulty the Apache management faces 15 attempting to make .a business decision based on the City' s keeping 16 their bar open in Apache, which is still under negotiation. 17 Councilmembers Makowske, Ranallo, and Enrooth continued to question 18 whether creating a situation where drinking patrons of the bar and 19 young people in the arcade might mix could possibly benefit the 20 - community. 21 Mayor Sundland stated that the only condition under which he would 22 approve the permit for the operation in that location would be- if a 23 - uniformed security person were on duty whenever the school age trade �. 24 could be expected in the establishment. He said he didn' t neces- 25 • sarily see the need for an off duty policeman, but would be satisfied 26 with a security guard from some security company like the one Apache _ 27. retains . 28 The proponents contended that their managers are trained to provide 29 security for their operations and to pay for additional security for 30 any time except perhaps the weekend nights would just not be economi- 31' cally feasible for them. However, in relation to the Council' s 32 concerns that pool tables would draw the bar patrons into the arcade, 33 Mr . Pink said his company would be willing to eliminate them from the' 34 games , but asked the City to trust their reputation as 50 year owners 35 of the business rather than to have the elimination of pool tables 36 written in- as a condition for permit approval. The arcade owner said 37 the written clause would be hard to change later if the bar moves from 38 its current location, the Council ' s opposition to pool tables softens , 39 etc. 40 Mayor Sundland responded that he perceived the City would have no 41 bargaining position at all if there was nothing written down and 42 problems developed after the arcade opened. 43 - When Councilmember Enrooth wondered if the audio levels on some of the 44 - games might not be conducive to the type of atmosphere the, City 45 desires for the' Apache Wells , 'Mr. Pink assured- him his company would • 46' try to locate the less noisy games next to the 10 inch wall which 10