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J Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes April 21, 2009 Page 5 1 is being asked and the conditions by which that plan would be allowed. The conditional use 2 permit would then be voted up or down. There are safeguards with this process and he would be 3 in support of placing a motion to allow the City Council to have that discussion. 4 5 Chair Stromgren stated he had input on some of the items attached to the amendment through 6 conversations with Assistant City Manager Moore-Sykes and Mr. Brever. Specifically the 7 concerns raised by Mr. Hanson in terms of adding the 250 foot distance were addressed. This 8 was to deal with tennis courts and hockey rinks and conditions that are too close to homes in his 9 opinion. In the Concept Review the applicant showed a photo shop rendering showing the 10 concept they planned which was small signs surrounded by ivy. Concept Review is the time that 11 the landscaping plan and schedules would be presented. The task tonight relates to the ordinance 12 change but does not approve any signage to be installed. The total square footage of 24 square 13 feet for individual signs came from the Concept Review presentation; the quantity discussed at 14 that time was 10 to 20 signs. This could be part of the conditional use permit. Chair Stromgren 15 expressed concern that item 5 is open ended and suggested changing it to state that signs may not 16 be displayed for more than six months out of the calendar year. 17 18 Commissioner Jenson noted the question has come up of whether this sets a precedent, such as 19 with fencing around tennis courts. He stated this needs to be thought through to make sure that 20 the right precedent is being set for the long term. 21 22 Commissioner Chaput noted item #4 states that individual signs cannot exceed 15%. He 23 suggested amending this to state that the cumulate area of all signs shall not exceed 15%. He 24 pointed out that there has been discussion about ivy being on the signs,but ivy takes time to 25 grow. It was mentioned that the conditional use permit would be up to two years; the ivy may not 26 be established in that time period so they could be looking at vinyl signs attached to a chain link 27 fence. 28 29 Commissioner Heinis suggested addressing illumination under item#2. 30 31 Commissioner Jensen noted that the field currently has illumination, and over time will have 32 more bells and whistles. He inquired whether there was a permitting discussion when the 33 scoreboard was installed. Assistant City Manager Moore-Sykes indicated that staff can provide 34 information on this. 35 36 Commissioner Jensen inquired whether the preferred method would be to include a condition 37 that the signage would be approved for no longer than a couple of years and then revisited,rather 38 than creating a temporary use category. He noted in some communities topics that are deemed 39 sensitive are granted temporary conditional use permits and are subject to review and renewal. 40 He suggested looking at the 24 square foot area as the maximum sign size, fleshing out language 41 in the differences between the two sizes, and proposing a cap. There was discussion at the last 42 Commission meeting,which was to say that the sign area would be no more than 10% of the 43 fencing area. He suggested the conditions include a requirement that the sign area would be no 44 more than 10%of the fence area within bulleted items 1-5 of the proposed amendment. He 45 indicated he would be open to table this to allow for a revision of the language that the school 46 district would like to advocate since they are the entity being described in the code amendment.