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MINUTE5 CITY COUNCIL APRIL 23, 1997 sewer are already in within the Allen Avenue right-of-way. Frattalone reported that they did consider another plan which proposed cul-de-sacs coming in fi~om each end. Fahey pointed out that the disadvantage to that pian is that development of the north parcel would not be included. Fahey stated that he prefers that the Schroeder parcel be incorporated into tl~e develo~menY in order to complete the whole picture. Leavin~; out the Schroeder parcel makes it more difficult to develop on its own. Fahey pointed out the concern expressed at the Planning Commission meeting about the small cul-de- sacs and the likelihood of these being turned over to the City in the future if the townhome association ceases to exist. The City Planner indicated that his office had discussed the lay-out and the possibility of Allen Avenue meandering througltout the property rather than runnin~r straight east and west with cul-de-sacs projectin~ from Allen Avenue. However, his office has not done any design work to develop alternatives. The Planner indicated that should the cul-de-sacs be platted as public streets, there would be some long-term concerns on the paR of the City. Frattalone repoRed that they are proposing Allen Avenue as a public street, however, the cul-de-sacs would Ue private. Fahey suggested that a different street design would be necessary to incorporate the Schroeder properry. Fahey suggested that the City Planner work with the developers to try to come up with a better street lay-out that would incorporate the Schroeder property. Scalze asked if sewer and water had to be under the street. The Planner replied that it did not, but pointed out that sewer and water should not be located under house pads. The Planner agreed there may be a more creative lay-out for the streets especially if the Schroeder piece is included in the development. Frattalone prese~~ted a few alternatives which they had put together, but pointed out that none are as attractive as the first one. Frattalone pointed out that the existence of wetlands also puts a constrlint on how the development can be laid out. He acknowledged it may be possible to move Allen Avenue further north and add some curve to it. Frattalone pointed out that people like to live on cul-de-sacs. Frattalone also indicated that he has never heard lbout privlte cul-de-sacs reverting back to a city.