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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/29/1979 P&Z Minutes"lay 29, 1979 The special meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was ra11ed to order by Chairman Ien Gourley at 8:05 p.m. Nay 29, 1979. Members present; Bob Doocey, Vernon Reinert, James Shearen, Lawrence Johnson, and 'Ir. 'TcLean,Council Liaison.' Members absent: Vi Schwankl and Jerome Beath. Also present were Mayor Korth and Mr . Gotwald, City Eigineer. The first item on the agenda was an approval of the May 16 minutes. Mr. Gourley moved to delay approval. Seconded by James Shearen. All were in favor. Motion,was declared passed. Next on the agenda was a question of the current status of a piece of property at 740 Vicky Lane. Verification of the status of the property had been requested at the May 14 Council meeting. This property had been used as a duplex prior to the passing of Ordinance No. 56; the matter came under Ordinance No. 6, section 5, paragraph A, covering pertinant uses. The property had been previously used as a duplex, but for the past 3 years had been used as a single family dwelling; it therefore had existed for a period of 2 years without intended use, and would, in this case, revert to R-1. The buyers, present at the meeting, wished to clarify whether they could use it as a duplex again. The structure conforms as a duplex, , although the present use does not. The possibility suggested by Mr.Gourly was to rezone it to R-2, and thus solve the problem. The buyers were told that the rezone requires an application by the present owner with the city clerk and the signatures of the adjoining Landowners. They intend to submit this request. The Commission asked that the building inspector, upon receipt of the application for the rezone, inspect the prenisis. The next item on the agenda was a report from the city Attorney, Mr. Locher, given by Mr. Dourly, to the effect that the Planning an Zoning Commission isrequired by Minnesota State Statute to hold public hearings prior to any recommendations to the Council for charges in the comprehensive plan. This to be held at the Planning and Zoning level. Mr .Locher is researching it further. The Planning and Zoning Commission requested that Mr Locher clarify this, and explain the exact procedures that must be followed for the public hearings. Next on the agenda was Mr. Gotwald's report to the Commission on the Comprehensive Sewer Plan revisions for Urban Sewer Districts 1 and 2. Mr. Gotwald presented several maps outlinning these revisions with his estimates and explanations. It was suggested he corrrit these thoughts to paper. Mr. Gotwald estimated 750 connections for Urban Sewer District 1, and gave the breakdown on this. These connections can be "swapped." and are on a first -cane -first -serve basis. Calculations are based on a density of 4 units per acre (8 people per acre). Urban Sewer District II is presently on on -site systems, and covers the Lakeview area. The Blaine interceptor, which presently ends in front of Centennial High school, would need to be extended up to Sunset fo Lino Lakes to hook into it. It is important that the city define its need for sewers in this area, in terms of how many connections are needed and when: otherwise the city may lose the capacity of this pipe, possibly to Blaine. It has been requested before taht this be reserved for Lino Lakes, but proper documentation of need crust be presented at this time. There have already been septic problems in the area. The Minnesota State Correctional Institute has an advisory board which handles this type of thing, and has its situation pretty well documented already, Mayor Karth felt a reissuance could be gotten probably within a month or so. 295 Page 2 P & Z, May 29, 1979 The revisions included_ putting in a lift station, and building a 4" line starting from one of the lift stations and going north. Lexington Park -Lakeview would feed into those same pumps although the lines would be much smaller. At the present time, the determining factor on lot sizes in this area is actually the availability of the sanitary sewer lines. It is a controlled growth situation. (approximately one acre lots.) Mr. Gotwald explained the seasonal water table problem in Lino Lakes and the problems with septic systems. The Public Health Service feels confident that if septic systems are put in (and maintained) according to their regulations, that they will work just as effectively as the city sewer. Mr. Gotwald indicated that although this comprehensive sewer plan is forcast basically for 5 years, the Metro guide policy will be reviewed this year and they may have a shift in whatever they are actually scheduling for this area as far as growth pattern. There is a possibility fo getting state aid or a state grant for this area, but it hinges on approval of our sewer system. What is really necessary is getting a main or trunk line out to serve the area. Mr. Shearen inquired as to possibilities of getting an extension fran Ramsey County; Mr. Gotwald indicated there was no capacity for this. Mr. Gotwald suggested that if the Commission was in agreement with the sewer re- vision, that it was a reasonable approach and was an attempt to satisfy Metro Council, then he could prepare an actual map and, with the Planner, go and talk to the Metro staff to get sane feedback as to whether it would be approved or not. Mr. Reinert moved that the Commission have the City Engineer proceed by whatever means necessary to get in proper documentation, and to get it to the Metro Council to get sane kind of feeling as to whether they will accept this or not; also to recommend to the Mayor that he consult with the people in the Minnesota Correctional Facility as to their documentation. It was felt that Mt. Gotwald could also handle the situation with the Minnesota Correctional Facility. Mr. Doocey seconded the motion. Along with this motion is the request for documentation for the commercial and two residential areas as well. All were in favor. Motion declared passed. This does not go on to the City Council but directly fran the Planning and Zoning Commission to the Metro Council. Mr. Gourley brought up the situation with the interceptor going up along Highway 49 in the area which is zoned commercial. He suggested the Commission look at ordinance changes to protect that carmercial area so that it doesn't develop residential. At present the ordinance states that commercial zoning permits lesser use as well. Mayor Yarth suggested the commercial area be broadened in a few areas. It is presently a 300-foot strip along the highway. It-. Reinert felt that the Corrmissionneeded to look at the overall picture and not just this area. It.. Gourley will ask the Planner to address himself to this problem on commercial zoning in the village generally, and specifically for this area. • Page 3 P & Z, May 29, 1979 Mr. 'otwald also had a presentation on the city-wide drainage plan. He presented several different maps: One from Vadnis Heights, which was a very detailed map with a complete ponding system and storm water plan, costing that city $10, 000; a USGS official wetlands map; and a wetlands map for Little Canada, outlinning available wet lands, lakes and drainage. Mr. Gourley suggested a wetlands map for part of the village and Part of the village and part of an actual drainage map for the high density part of the village. However, as far as the comprehensive plan goes, the Commission felt that they didn't want to do more than was necessary; beyond that, Mr.Gourley felt the Commission should be moving to where ponds can be centralized. He suggested the Commission and the Council could perhaps be acquiring land, or not permitting development on land that could be used for a centralized ponding area(s) for certain district. This would have to be approved by Rice Creek Water- shed; then individual plats would no longer need to go through then separately. Planning in advance for this problem would not be as expensive as it would seen at first, because the city is ultimately going to be responsible for the existing ponds with fencing problems, etc. Mr. Gotwald brought up the potential for parks along the central pond areas; and that there are usually less problems with larger bodies of water than with ponds. Mr. Reinert moved that Mr.Gotwald proceed with the wet lands map pursuant to whatever requirements were needed for the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Shearen seconded the motion. All were in favor. Notion declared passed. Mr. Gotwald felt this would run between $500 to $600 for a basic wetlands map with general elevat- ions. Mr. Gotwald brought up that the engineering firm from the state is going to do a flood plain study here, and perhaps maps can be obtained from them. Mr. Gotwald was requested to bring in osme cost estimates to the Commission for a map slowing general elevations and minumtm elevations for each district and a map with a more detailed ponding area study for the southwest corner of the village. Posed on that, the Commission would also have an idea of what it would cost to further the study. This would be for the June meetin; then the Commission could bring this up to the Council in July, before the August budget planning. Mr. Gourley requested that members cane to the regular June meeting prepared to commit some dates as far as 6 or 8 months in advance, so that work on the comprehensive plan could be put on a timetable. The city has to have the plan complete in approximately 18 months. Mr. Reinert moved to adjourn at 10:45 p.m. Mr. Shearen seconded the motion. All were in favor. Motion declared passed.