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Planning and Zoning Meeting July 16, 1980 Page Three Mr. Dobie is asking for direction from this Board. The general consensus of this Board was that they found no objections to this proposal. Mr. Dobie's rezoning request was considered. He is asking a R2 zoning on Tract Q & Tract A. These parcels contain 3 +acres. The lots are just off Main Street and Mr. Dobie felt this would be a good buffer for the residential area. The types of soils in this area was discussed as was the topog. Mrs. Schwankl moved to recommend to the Council the rezoning on Tract A & Q be granted from R1 to R2. Seconded by Mr. Prokop. Motion carried unanmioulsly. The public hearing on this matter will be set by the Council. A recess was called at this point in time. The meeting was reconvened and the plat of Lakes Add. #7 was next on the agenda. Mr. Heath presented the comments of Mr. Short that had been made earlier in the meeting. Mr. Heath asked Mr. Schumacher if this Board is to deal with this as a feasibility plat or is this a preliminary plat? Mr. Schumacher said this is a preliminary plat. Mr. Johnson said that when the area was originally platted, it is true this was designed for townhouses, but, at that time there was also an 18 hole golf course, marina, nature trail, etc., which lowered the density figure. In 1973 Mr. Jandric replatted the back 9 holes of the golf course into single family lots and according to Mr. Johnson, Mr. Jandric has said, "if he was allowed to eveloped this portion of the golf course into single family lots, he would remove the townhouses" and according to Mr. Johnson, this was so designated on the plats. Mr. Johnson said this plat was never approved because the owners in the arekinstituted a law suit against Mr. Jandric and the area was never developed. Mr. Johnson presented some figures for the computations of density - he had consulted with Shoreview and North Saint Paul, and they use census and current occupancy in similar construction. They found that in a 2 bedroom unit the average is 3.3 people and a 3 bedroom unit, the average is 4.0 people and the maximum is 14 quad per acre - about 12 people per acre. The plat as pre- sented averages out to approximately 18.6 people per acre. Mr. Johnson presented some reasons why this type of construction was denied in Shoreview. He also pointed out a denial in Maplewood and presented their reason. He also cited an area near Lake Elmo that is having a problem with water - this is being blamed on an area that had been allowed to develop and run -off is flooding a lower area. Someone asked about the drainage - would this be planned so as not to cause problems in the existing area? Mr. Schumacher reminded the Board that all plats must be cleared by the RCWB, this is their responsibility. The letter from Carley Engineering was read in reference to this plat. Mr. Blackbird agreed there are corrections to be made but they are minor. Mr. .Blackbird said there are many projects that have been approved with a higher density than planned in this area. Mr. Blackbird pointed out that this /had been specifically issued a special use permit at the time of platting to avoid this very problem that was occuring now would be avoided.