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LAKE ELMO COUNCIL MINUTES - 9/6/83 Page 2 • Harold Richert, Oakgreen - Mainly family hunts on Durand's property and houses are well within 500-foot distance. People can't get into Downs Lake area to hunt because property owners won't give them permission. • Peter Durand, 11332 20th Street South - I have 58 acres, have been there since '49, and have never caused trouble for anybody. I don't let outsiders hunt on property, only family; and they are a long way from houses. • Don Durand, 2901 Lake Elmo Avenue North - Biggest problem is when County opened up goose hunting in this area. Feel petition was poorly circulated (we didn't get a copy) and represents a small area. Mr. Bird is feeding geese, etc. (unlawful in itself.) and feel he is behind all this. • Bill Herzfeld , 2960 Manning Avenue North - We own 105 acres and my sons like to hunt. If no hunting, can I still shoot my hogs? • Mervin Nippoldt. - How many game wardens do we have in County? (Eder - one.) No wonder we don't have better protection. • Ed Nielson, 9497 Stillwater Blvd - Jim Marnie spoke of legitimate problem, but if "no hunting" incorporated same people would violate ordinance. Laws have to be enforced. Petitioning for one area infringes on larger property owners. We can do something better on signs throughout whole city. • Tom Armstrong - On my property I've had 15-20 violators arrested in the past couple years, mostly out-of-town people. Could raise present $200 fine. Currently, deputies are getting stricter in enforcing ordinance; but no hunting only eliminates the good hunters and the bad will still be there. ♦ Tom Boardman, 2377 Legion Lane North - Regarding Nielson and Armstrong suggestions, people will continue to violate law. First started to have problems last year when shells were flying over my house and it wasn't safe for my children to be outside. Sheriff's office refused to do anything about it and said to take it to DNR. Now Legion area is more populated; don't intend to impose restric- tions on others but question is one of safety. • Jon Olson, 2134 Legion Court North - I and lots of friends ride bikes through cornfield and I don't like shotgun shells going over my head. • Jim Marnie - Perhaps compromise could be made, i.e., densely populated areas (1 to 1 1/2 acres) have no -hunting restrictions. (Eder - State already gives property owners power to put up no - hunting signs on their property.) • Tom Armstrong - Signs could say "no hunting without permission." • Mr. Richert - Agrees with Armstrong. Council comments: • Mayor Eder - City code hasn't changed for many years; situation changed when County opened up goose hunting is this area. I feel signs should be posted where people want them posted. • Klaers - If there is special problem area, we should notify Sheriff's Department and they could watch that area. (Eder - think we should send them a letter) • Morgan - There is problem in Legion Park area and need better enforcement. Feel things people have suggested should be done at least.