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Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes May 19, 2009 Page 3 1 Commissioner Jensen questioned if "fence or wall area surrounding the field" included in 2 condition no. 5 is a statement that is specific enough. Mr. Brever replied he is open to the 3 Planning Commission modifying this statement. There is a legal technicality in which someone 4 could take the position that a tennis court or hockey rink is not a field and would not be included 5 in that definition. It is an interpretation aspect. The end result will be that of staff being 6 responsible for the enforcement. Some guidance from this body and the City Council may be 7 helpful so that staff knows what is intended. 8 9 Chair Stromgren closed the public hearing at 7:30 p.m. 10 11 Chair Stromgren noted currently no signage is allowed in the park short of trail markers and 12 informational signage put up by the City. He requested discussion by the Commission on 13 whether it appropriate to allow signage, and if so what kind of adjustments should be made. 14 15 Commissioner Jensen commented he can see the nostalgic argument as it relates to the field. The 16 proposal for being generic would have additional merit if there were a photo-shop rendering 17 created of what a maximum amount of signage would be in the field, rather than just waiting for 18 the CUP process. This would allow a contrast with someone's worst vision of the signage. He 19 pointed out that MnDOT posts signs for adoption of certain locations and he could see that the 20 City could see the need for additional signage in the future. This ordinance amendment would 21 allow a process and open the door with the CUP process. The code could be modified at this time 22 with the City Council allowed to ultimately decide on the merits of a given proposal. He 23 suggested amending the text included in condition no. 5 from "...the field" to "...any given 24 sports facility or field". He noted that good facilities end up being draws for matches of any 25 given type of sport. 26 27 Commissioner Jenson noted the question included on the agenda is whether to allow the 28 ordinance to allow temporary signs posted on athletic fields in Central Park of a commercial 29 education or philanthropic nature. He questioned if Commissioner Jensen's comments address 30 this statement. Commissioner Jensen replied the general concept does. However, it comes down 31 to what is adopted in the code. If the words are not consistent with the general phrase it may 32 result with word games. Chair Stromgren noted there will be a CUP process involved. He 33 indicated he would be leery of including quantified requirements if this will be more generic, 34 because it becomes a bar that becomes the limit. 35 36 Commissioner Heinis stated his position that he is not a supporter of commercial speech in the 37 City's parks. 38 39 Commissioner Crone commented it was relaxing watching a ball game today at a park without 40 signage. However, she can see the advantages of the signage and the excitement for the kids. She 41 indicated her preference for the local representation in the signage and noted this would likely be 42 covered in the details of the CUP. 43 44 Commissioner Cincoski stated his support of allowing the, signage if it is monitored and 45 controlled which would be done through the CUP process. 46